The surveillance video-**identified** man and the box of wine

[housemouse]

link for folks like me who didn't know there was another place to check before posting...

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[Mountain_Kat]

Just started following this case, so I'm not up to speed, but...Hubby comes home at 4:30am (after working his FIRST overnight shift), finds the front door unlocked, all the lights in the house on, and the baby missing from her crib?!

What kidnapper enters a house to abduct a baby and turns all the lights on, while the mother is sleeping in the next room? Wouldn't a stranger want to attract as little attention from the family and neighbors as possible? My first thought: Mom got trashed on Hubby's first night away from the home, and something transpired from that.

JMO

 

[wfgodot]

o/t

Woofy...you're killing me. I finally figure out your username (and by "figure out" I mean that I cheated and you told me) and now there is something *under* it that I can't read?!?

Are you trying to torture me?

Μολὼν λαβέ = "Molōn labe!" It means, literally, "come and take them!" (although woofing today would probably turn it into "come and get you some!" or "you think you big enough, bring it on!" or something like that). Wiki tells us that "it is a classical expression of defiance reportedly spoken by King Leonidas I in response to the Persian army's demand that the Spartans surrender their weapons at the Battle of Thermopylae."

 

[natsound]

And it goes to that if she bought the wine, what happened to it. Did she drink it, was she intoxicated?

I question why she couldn't fill in gaps. Why not? Unless you're impaired, you can tell someone what you did the night before. Or you're impaired and go "geez-what happened".

"From the start when they've questioned me, once I couldn't fill in gaps, it turned into 'You did it, you did it,'" Deborah Bradley told "Good Morning America."

So I ask - why couldn't DB provide an accurate accounting to LE without any gaps?

MOO



Mel

Source: http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-fbi-searches-landfill/story?id=14688581

I hadn't been entertaining any accident theories, but this is plausible. Mom was so drunk she blacked out and doesn't know what happened the night before. She doesn't want to admit it. After all, it was hubby's first night on the new job graveyard shift. Time to par-tay.

 

[keeponsearching]

There was many after school days a friend of mine would stop over and we would let the kids play, and she would run out and get a bottle of wine, maybe 2. Wine is not good for me, or her. After a few nights of uhhh we decided no more wine. If you are not a wine drinking, more of a beer drinkier, you can drink the wine to quick and to much. Now if this happen to Debbie, I can see some guilty of been drunk, but I still do not think she had anything to do with it. I guess in my perfect world in my head parents are there to protect children.

 

[MissJames]

Exactly. If she were at home and put her kids to bed and then went and checked on Baby Lisa at 10:30 and then went to bed, what gaps are there? There shouldn't be any gaps.

I put the kids to bed, I cleaned up, I bathed, I went on my computer and then I got tired and went to bed. Easy right? I could certainly state my night each night without gaps.

Well,yeah,it's easy for us because we are always at WS :crazy:

 

[Kakidoll]

Fox News saying 'breaking news' at 1pm about evidence found in Irwin house.

 

[Xina_Marie]

I keep thinking the "breaking news" is going to be the grocery receipt. That isn't breaking news to us. We will see though.

 

[iamnotagolem]

Please be alive baby girl, my dreams are haunted.

 

[keeponsearching]

I can honestly say, I am so forgetful at age 30, that I would have huge gaps and probably have family members remind me what day it was or what I did. Thank goodness for my calendar or I would not know if its a stay in pjs day or rush to bus stop.

 

[Xina_Marie]

Breaking news was the grocery store surveillance and the current search at the well. However, Megyn Kelly will be interviewing the Police Captain sometime soon.

 

[momof7]

I posted this in the general thread, but I wanted to bring it over here:

Here's the thing: I have no doubt that during the many hours of interviews/questioning/interrogation that DB has spent with LE over the past week, that she was asked about her activities prior to baby Lisa going missing.

The fact that LE has subpoenaed this grocery store video tape (after finding a receipt) tells me that perhaps DB may not have been exactly forthcoming with LE regarding her activities earlier in the day.
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Not sure if this has anything to do with it, but I would imagine the police have to subpeona for the video tape to get it. I know that I am allowed to show police footage but because of privacy laws I can not give them a copy. I have to get in touch with my LP department. We have to be very specific that the tape shows the individual in a crime. Such as swiping a cc that doesn't belong to them. It is a big deal to get the police their copy and takes sometimes up to a week.

I just wanted to throw that out there. I keep coming back and you guys are pages and pages ahead of where I was. I am now going back to try and catch up.

Kelly

 

[mrye4709]

I'm wayyy behing in reading, but I see alot of post about her buyin paper plates. We use paper plates all the time, started when I worked long hrs. Around here we call it our "fine china", lol. I don't see anything fishy about her buying paper products or wine, just the man. I wish she would just grab a reporter and identify him.

 

[lonetraveler]

So, we don't know who the man was who was with Lisa's mother buying wine and paper plates. However, this could explain why Lisa's father has appeared IMO a bit standoffish with offering comforting to the mother. He seems to be avoiding body contact and JMO, appears angry.

 

[mrye4709]

SY says no scandal, they know who the man is and it will not further the case. She was at the store and bought wine with a man, that's it. It could be anyone. I hope like he77 if she turns out not guilty and someone did take Lisa that the media and the world appologizes for all of this. I can't help but feel sorry for the parents, at least until we know otherwise. I still don't see any evidence that they did anything.

 

[miabellamoure]

I can't keep up on all the threads with this stupid head cold i have but....

Tying in the box wine/paperplates/napkins - sounds like an impromptu throwaway picnic possibly...
COULD that tie into possible male older teen in neighborhood as unidentified male in video? I never heard the age of the teen they got DNA from. Are we talking 14 or are we talking 19 Big difference when talking about a 25 year old young mother.

MOO (which is stretched having Nyquil in system)

Just a thought but, it just dawned on me that the DNA sample taken from the teen could be to test against any cups in the trash that may or may not have had wine in them...

Maybe to confirm if there was any underage drinking going on in the house that night...

all just thoughts...not facts.

 

[Roze]

Two things bothered me about this woman. She refers to her child as "Baby Lisa" in one video. In another video where she invited the press into her home to view the nursery she had things stacked in the baby's crib. I don't know why but it seemed callous. She seems sincere at times but the above points bother me. I get a Craigslist/Adult Friender vibe from this woman. Adventuresome.

 

[LisaB]

First time posting....long-time lurker! I'm a KC local, so this case is really getting to me....

I can't remember where I heard it (sorry for no link), but I'm pretty sure it was a nat'l news outlet--thinking ABC--that said JI worked a 24-hour shift the day Baby Lisa disappeared. So that would mean he was NOT home when DB was at the store. If that's the case, who was with the kids? This may be a huge discrepancy that LE is now trying to pick apart in her story.

If I did not misunderstand, they said the job/project he was on ran 24 hours a day, and that he normally worked days, but this was his first night shift, from about 7-4. He helped put Lisa to bed before leaving for work.

 

[DLT88]

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-pol...rveillance-deborah-bradley-20111010,0,3702048.

Watch this & listen to it . . .

5 hours prior to Lisa being put to bed, her mother was at the market buying stuff . . .

Parents have not discussed this but a receipt was found during a search by LE

Can't get the link to work now.

 

[JBean]

So Detective Young basically is saying this lead is a dead end and insignificant. Is that correct? I think he said the detectives on the case said this information will not further the investigation.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/1...in-hunt-for-missing-missouri-baby-lisa-irwin/