The surveillance video-**identified** man and the box of wine

[eleni777]

But the videos of him come from MSM. So, why exactly can't they be posted?

Forum rules state you cannot sleuth the innocent.
He has been CLEARED by the Police and they have stated that he isn't a person of interest. Unless that changes we have to set him aside for now.

 

[jjenny]

Forum rules state you cannot sleuth the innocent.
He has been CLEARED by the Police and they have stated that he isn't a person of interest. Unless that changes we have to set him aside for now.

Police haven't named a single person of interest so far.

 

[grandmaj]

If you have quesitons you can PM a moderator.

But for this time I will elaborate. You can post the video. What you cannot do it take other photos from the internet, put them together and try to sleuth out who he is.

We protect the innocent. LE has said that this was not a clue, this shopping trip. So from that we move forward. MSM has said it is a neighbor who drove her to the store. Unless LE, or MSM identify the man he is just a neighbor that drove her to the store. If he speaks you can discuss what he says. But you can't sleuth his background or try to find out who this person is unless he chooses to come forward and involve himself.

 

[krimekat]

Going to the store could be very IMPORTANT. Somebody could have seen her in the store and followed her home, like happened with the Petit murder. So I think if the child was missing and police was asking what she was doing prior to that remember something like going to the store is not minor.

Not saying that it's not important; I was commenting that I would probably not remember a 15-min trip to the market especially if my child JUST went missing! Please respect what I meant was personal reflection . . .

 

[nursebeeme]

"Police investigated and discovered the man was a neighbor who gave Bradley a ride to the grocery store."

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/ne...other-out-shopping-the-night-of-disappearance

the neighbor has not been named a person of interest in Lisa's case. Grandmaj has repeatedly asked that we not sleuth the neighbor.

 

[eleni777]

So..... this male goes into the store with Deborah, points at the box of wine, she pick up the box of wine and carries it to the counter, she buys the box of wine at the counter, and then she hands the change back to the male.

She didn't tell police about this trip to the store because she was buying for an underage male. Where did this underage male go to drink his new box of wine?

Ummmm I find this therory that the boxed wine is being purchased for the guy.

I don't know to many underage males that drink boxed wine...their first choice would be BEER or hard liquor.

Since they have been identified as the neighbors...Deborah was probably buying it for the wife in exchange for a ride to the store and the wife staying with the kids..if the dad is not at home.

 

[Helenstreet]

After watching the video, it appears to me that the man was under the age of 21. If you notice, she was the only one handing the box of wine, and she made a funny gesture turning around (to see if anyone was watching perhaps?), before taking the box off of the shelf. I would think, being a man, he would be pretty likely to carry the box out of the store for her if he was of legal age. I would speculate that she was not purchasing the wine for just the young man necessarily, simply because most younger adults would more likely be wanting beer or a bottle of whiskey to mix if it is just for them alone. Just my perspective.

 

[linajoy]

Police haven't named a single person of interest so far.

Thank you

 

[HatesSociopaths]

Well unless this was some kind of staging (buying baby food to give impression baby is still alive at this point in time - unlikely given the lack of genius in other parts of this crime) the video is helpful in that the baby was likely still alive at 5 p.m.

I feel this could change my mind about Jeremy's involvement. The reason being, I always thought it was hinky that he was working a night shift for the first time. I don't see how the baby could have died accidentally before he went to work that night. I suppose it's possible, but no, it's quite a stretch to me.

I now suspect this may have been premeditated murder by DB, and that she had an accomplice not her husband. Not sure but this video has changed my perspective. Still trying to put the pieces together. Namely, why would she do it? Motive?

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Wonder if they found the empty baby food jars or containers in the search.

 

[krimekat]

After watching the video, it appears to me that the man was under the age of 21. If you notice, she was the only one handing the box of wine, and she made a funny gesture turning around (to see if anyone was watching perhaps?), before taking the box off of the shelf. I would think, being a man, he would be pretty likely to carry the box out of the store for her if he was of legal age. I would speculate that she was not purchasing the wine for just the young man necessarily, simply because most younger adults would more likely be wanting beer or a bottle of whiskey to mix if it is just for them alone. Just my perspective.

BBM: I agree with this statement. Who drinks box-of-wine? Underage boys or moms?

 

[In da Middle]

Oddly, it is the purchase of baby wipes/baby food with the wine that make me think the exact opposite---that perhaps something was planned-----I know, I've had 3 children, so quick runs for just those items with a 10 month should seem the norm---but I have to wonder if those new purchases are still in the house...or if Baby Lisa went somewhere with her bag of goodies...

Something tells me that the package of diapers and wipes would be missing from the house if she was given away to somebody. If they are still in the house, barely used or unopened, it is obvious she did not give her away. I am sure LE knows the answer to this question.

 

[curiositycat]

the neighbor has not been named a person of interest in Lisa's case. Grandmaj has repeatedly asked that we not sleuth the neighbor.

Okay, I did not know until now that this was a neighbor...thanks for the information.

It does, however, leave me wondering, "why?" Had the husband already gone to work, if so who was watching the two boys? If the husband had not gone to work, then is their only vehicle the work van? Why would she not go in her own car?

I now have a whole lot more to ponder:floorlaugh:

 

[DairyGirl]

If the neighbor gave the mom a ride to the store does this mean she didn't have access to a car? That would eliminate her going anywhere with Lisa to do something with her. Whoever took her had to come to their house.

 

[jjenny]

BBM: I agree with this statement. Who drinks box-of-wine? Underage boys or moms?

I think anyone can drink wine from the box.

 

[krimekat]

I think anyone can drink wine from the box.

Respectfully, not me!!!

 

[grandmaj]

Does Mom have a drivers license?

 

[eleni777]

Well unless this was some kind of staging (buying baby food to give impression baby is still alive at this point in time - unlikely given the lack of genius in other parts of this crime) the video is helpful in that the baby was likely still alive at 5 p.m.

I feel this could change my mind about Jeremy's involvement. The reason being, I always thought it was hinky that he was working a night shift for the first time. I don't see how the baby could have died accidentally before he went to work that night. I suppose it's possible, but no, it's quite a stretch to me.

I now suspect this may have been premeditated murder by DB, and that she had an accomplice not her husband. Not sure but this video has changed my perspective. Still trying to put the pieces together. Namely, why would she do it? Motive? Is Jeremy truly the father of Lisa?

for that matter one could assertain that Jeremy premediated the murder because of a number of reasons. He didn't want another child and to be attached to Deborah...or in a fit of rage after discovering that Lisa wasn't his, he killed her while everyone slept.

OF COURSE THESE ARE JUST MY RANDOM THEORIES.

 

[HatesSociopaths]

It also could be very revealing if that box of wine has not been recovered from her house or the house of the person that went with her. IMO that kid would not want wine, and he didn't pick it out at the store, seemed kind of bored with the selection, like it wasn't for him.

 

[curiositycat]

If the neighbor gave the mom a ride to the store does this mean she didn't have access to a car? That would eliminate her going anywhere with Lisa to do something with her. Whoever took her had to come to their house.

Or, another theory, dad was home with the other children, baby was crying, fussy from cold and wouldn't quiet down. Father, snapped and shook baby to death. Then he does away with the body???? MOO