The Talent show

[nursebeeme]

I found it easily... here it is:
http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/mediacenter/[email protected]

note that the child was scheduled to perform with Kyron in the talent show but the mother did not know what he was asked/testified at the gj

bumping this up

 

[AbbieNormal]

See and I had the complete opposite experience at my step-daughter's elementary school. There was always something going on. Practice was during school hours and sometimes it was important enough to invite parents and othertimes it wasn't. Science Fair - now that was a big deal. There was several months of work leading up to the "day". Reports written, experiment conducted, the exhibit board compiled, etc. Anybody with a kid today understands how all consuming on an entire household a science fair project is. A talent show may or may not be that big of deal. If he was just involved in a group thing (like singing) - it just may not have been that big of a deal. A solo, couples thing...different story. I just wouldn't read that much into it until we know the details.

I had 3 kids and this was quite awhile ago as they are now in their early 30's, but for a few years all 3 were in elementry school at the same time and let me tell you, as a single parent working FT and PT job plus going to nursing school, I HATED science fair project time, I had to "help" with THREE of them simultaneously and it was a major ordeal. The presentation of the projects for them was always in the evening on one night so parents could attend. I was always SO GLAD when it was over!!! Just my :twocents:

abbie

eta: this was in the days waaaay before computers so all info had to be looked up in our ancient Encyclopedias we had leftover from when I was a kid. Not as easy as it is now, printing out this and that, my kids had to draw, etc. What a PITA it was.....I was an overwhelmed mom most of the time

 

[Chablis]

Well, not everyone can be the perfect parent, I dont think its a crime to miss a talent show or science fair, or whatever, especially when a lot of parents have to work, or maybe they live farther away. It makes sense the stay at home mom who is being supported by her husband would be there for support and to take pictures, I mean surely Desiree and Kaine would see these pictures, why its being insinuated missing these events makes them a bad parent is beyond me. Actually its pretty sad because I bet they would go to school everyday with him now and never miss a thing again, but they may not get that chance again because hes missing and the last person he was seen with, someone he trusted, her buddy directed cops to an area of land they are now searching for god knows what.

Sad.

 

[AbbieNormal]

snipped respectfully

I was a very shy kid, but loved any talent show or group performance very much. It was my time to shine. So my shyness would take a backseat depending on the activity. I also sang in choir at church never shy about that. Maybe Terri told Kyron he had a drs appt, and to not whine about it, so he just didn't mention it to Dad. Or, maybe he didn't have a central role, so wasn't that excited about it. If she was abusing him, he would have been walking on eggshells every minute, and wouldn't dare complain for fear of retribution later in private. Abused children learn to hide the shame and will do anything to prevent getting into more trouble. Poor kid, the thought of that really ticks me off. :banghead:

I dunno why but I get the feeling if Kyron was "abused" by Terri it wasn't physical abuse, it was more mental abuse. "Come on,Kyron, keep up with us, stop dilly-dallying, don't do that, do you want a time out? How many times have I told you not to do that? Where the hell are your glasses, do you know how much trouble you are in if you have lost them again? Don't make me mad, Kyron, or you will go and sit in your room till I say you can come out, no you may NOT have a snack, baby K is having one cos she was a GOOD girl, you were a BAD boy. If you tell your Daddy, you are going to be in so much trouble" etc. etc etc
Also, I wonder why she felt it was necessary to take a pic of Kyron w/out his glasses in front of the science fair project? His eyes were reportedly bad, his glasses thick. His glasses were a part of "who he was", why the need to have him remove them for a picture? Was she one of the kinds of moms who felt that he was "imperfect" in a pic if he had his glasses on? Maybe thas why his right eye was watering in the pic she took of him w/out the glasses, without them he tried to focus and it made his eyes water, perhaps? Just surmising, don't now this for a fact.

abbie

 

[Calliope]

bumping this up

Aside from all else, I'm just stunned that she didn't accompany him. Wow.

 

[Donjeta]

Also, I wonder why she felt it was necessary to take a pic of Kyron w/out his glasses in front of the science fair project? His eyes were reportedly bad, his glasses thick. His glasses were a part of "who he was", why the need to have him remove them for a picture? Was she one of the kinds of moms who felt that he was "imperfect" in a pic if he had his glasses on? Maybe thas why his right eye was watering in the pic she took of him w/out the glasses, without them he tried to focus and it made his eyes water, perhaps? Just surmising, don't now this for a fact.

abbie

LE photoshopped his glasses out of that picture to let people have an idea what he'd look like if the perp took his glasses off.

 

[Kat010]

Especially when its glaringly obvious hes not there as his science project sat on his desk. I'm betting his teacher 'assumed' Kyron was at this mysterious drs appointment, but we don;t know for a fact or not if Kyron was on some kind of meds where the teacher would have to fill out a form for the dr before the appointment..if he was, the teacher might have wondered, "why didn;t Terri give me the forms last week if his appt was today?"

Also, I must say this, yes its snarky but here it goes- Terri has a lot of nerve saying that it was "Kyrons teachers first year of teaching, and she was hard of hearing" which seems, to me, to be a condescending statement. Terri has alot of nerve saying that, as if SHE had so much experience as a "teacher", sure she had gone through the education but according to her CV she had only been a substitute teacher during her short "career" as a teacher, so "who is she" to criticize a new teacher who, by the end of the school year, had actually logged in more time as a teacher (full time teacher) than Terri ever did as a substitute. There, I said it. And, I feel better!

abbie

Are we sure that the science project sat on the desk he was using that day? Or that any of the science projects sat on desks the kids were using that day? Could the science fair projects have been clustered into one area away from the class-in-session area? Didn't I see some round tables being used in the classroom with kids at them in older photos?

As for criticizing a teacher--I don't see how saying that a teacher is "new" is a criticism. If she's new, she's new. And if she has a hearing problem, then she has a hearing problem (which we don't actually know, either way).

But were anyone to actually criticize the teacher, well, she's a public employee. As my old editor used to say, anyone who feeds at the public trough answers to those who provide the $.

It's not out of line for a parent to criticize a teacher. Or another teacher. Or a tax payer. It goes with the job, and every teacher knows that they are literally "on stage" and will have to deal with parents and public perceptions.

I actually have what is considered to be the equivalent of a dual degree. Because my university wasn't yet fully accredited to *officially* issue journalism degrees (but it was an excellent program and at that point, most of us already had experience from home town papers or working as stringers), they also told us to fulfill the requirements for another degree. Mine is in education. I've done months of intern teaching at the high school level, have taught college-level courses (writing) and also have taught in adult ed, including one class almost totally made up of kids in trouble from bad homes to armed robbery, and written state-mandated curriculum as a consultant. (Horrible task, never again.)

I never doubted for a second that at any point soemone could have a beef with me. Not that they did--other than my supervising internship teacher, who came up with something bogus. Her complaint shocked everyone. So the university's intern advisor got curious, and started checking her out, and then wondered why she never stayed at any one school very long. Turned out that she wanted an advanced degree, and so got interns. She basically then turned the class over to the intern (as she had with me) and disappeared for the term, only showing up to wave now and then. At the end of the term, she consistently showed up and issued some sort of complaint in the evaluation in order to "prove" that she'd been monitoring and evaluating all along. In my case, because I looked so young and I got along well with the kids and actually had improved their grades and levels, she complained that I was too "immature" to teach kids that old, as evidenced by my looks and the fact that the kids liked and respected me (and hated her). And oh yea, she also without warning handed out one test that wasn't even based on what I'd taught, but what she dredged up, assigned a huge weight, and knocked every kid down at least one grade level, taking away the achievements that rightfully made them feel good.

What a piece of work she was. She never again was allowed to have an intern--at least from our university. But due to tenure she couldn't be fired--although I was told that she was being "encouraged" to take early retirement.

So I learned early on that if you teach, you will be criticized, and sometimes very unfairly. Truthfully, I loved teaching (still do) but hated the paperwork and irrelevant stuff that distracted from the actual subject.

Bottom line: if someone had said "Well, she's an intern" about me they might have said it dismissingly, but it would have been fact. The connotation of their statement would be open to personal interpretation by the hearer.

And if your child is involved, IMHO, you have not only an extra right, but a responsibility, to praise or critize the teacher, aides, principal, school facilities, or whatever affects your child. JMO. (FYI, when the nutso teacher tried to do her number on me, both students and parents lined up to speak out for me. Parents *should* be involved. A good teacher welcomes that.)

 

[Donjeta]

Aside from all else, I'm just stunned that she didn't accompany him. Wow.

Are minors allowed to have both their parents there? Or just one? Maybe his father accompanied him?

 

[Kat010]

I dunno why but I get the feeling if Kyron was "abused" by Terri it wasn't physical abuse, it was more mental abuse. "Come on,Kyron, keep up with us, stop dilly-dallying, don't do that, do you want a time out? How many times have I told you not to do that? Where the hell are your glasses, do you know how much trouble you are in if you have lost them again? Don't make me mad, Kyron, or you will go and sit in your room till I say you can come out, no you may NOT have a snack, baby K is having one cos she was a GOOD girl, you were a BAD boy. If you tell your Daddy, you are going to be in so much trouble" etc. etc etc
Also, I wonder why she felt it was necessary to take a pic of Kyron w/out his glasses in front of the science fair project? His eyes were reportedly bad, his glasses thick. His glasses were a part of "who he was", why the need to have him remove them for a picture? Was she one of the kinds of moms who felt that he was "imperfect" in a pic if he had his glasses on? Maybe thas why his right eye was watering in the pic she took of him w/out the glasses, without them he tried to focus and it made his eyes water, perhaps? Just surmising, don't now this for a fact.

abbie

Link, please, re: alleged abuse by TH.

 

[AbbieNormal]

You know, I never considered the fact that the projects were set up on the desks and would have to be moved. That's an interesting question.

However, she couldn't have taken it at 8:45, because it has been reported that the school kids were going to go around in small groups to view all the projects that morning, and school wouldn't formally start until 10:00.

In fact, some have suggested she might have actually intended to bring the project home that morning, not realizing that they would have to remain on display until 10:00.

OK, so whats her rush to get out of there, then take the project home with her? It just doesn't make sense. She could have toured the science fair w/ Kyron till just before 10am, then taken the SF project out with her. She could have had baby K in a stroller and she would have been no problem. Also, just FYI, my youngest daughter would have attended the talent show w/ her 3 yr old in the stroller, and if she got sleepy cos it was naptime, she would have fallen asleep in the stroller. Moms do it all the time.

What pressing business did Terri have planned fore that day that she couldn't stay? Running various errands she supposedly now doesn't even remember?
(Or rather, did not recall when questioned about them the day or the day after Kyron disappeared) GMAB!!!Grocery store isn't a pressing errand, and I will NEVER buy the "Baby K had an earache so we drove around for 90 minutes" BS lie. IMO, ridiculous.

Beleive me, LE has her receipts (if she had any to give them) with date and time stamped on them plus the items she bought. LE has a very clear picture of what she did and when, and exactly when her unaccounted for time gap was. Maybe DeDe's missing 90 minutes (funny how both of them have a 90 minute unaccounted for gap, eh?) was so she could watch Kiara wile Terri did something terrible to/ with Kyron. Maybe Dede knows, maybe she doesn;t. Maybe DeDe only knows she watched Kiara for 90 minutes while Terri had something she had to do.

Then she runs to the gym, of course, such a priority in her life, leaving the supposedly ailing and in pain baby K in the gym daycare, then back home to get on her laptop. Its all about what TERRI deems important, apparently.
JMO. She really has me furious today.

 

[Donjeta]

As for criticizing a teacher--I don't see how saying that a teacher is "new" is a criticism. If she's new, she's new.

Snip to save space.

IMO if someone uses "new" as an explanation why someone might be confused about a straightforward matter it is implied criticism in which "new" equals "stupid". In my opinion whether the teacher is new or not should have no bearing on her ability to understand a parent speaking in English and saying that her child has a doctor's appointment on this date. But maybe Ms. Finster misunderstood Terri's point.

 

[AbbieNormal]

Then I'm curious why Desiree and Kaine didn't take time out of their calendars to attend the big science fair.

Especially since Kaine himself said his Friday schedule was so flexible.
Could he not have taken the morning off to go to the fair then worked in the afternoon?

 

[Kat010]

Snip to save space.

IMO if someone uses "new" as an explanation why someone might be confused about a straightforward matter it is implied criticism in which "new" equals "stupid". In my opinion whether the teacher is new or not should have no bearing on her ability to understand a parent speaking in English and saying that her child has a doctor's appointment on this date. But maybe Ms. Finster misunderstood Terri's point.

Respectfully, I disagree--but agree that on the surface, it sounds dismissive. However, the confusion over a dr's appt. remains. All we have so far is more telephone game comments about taht incident.

And being "new", even though at this point she'd had just about a full year in that classroom (that's an assumption, she may have just been hired recently to replace someone) could be applicable. The fact is that it does take experience to learn how to efficiently handle situations. I imagine that the science fair day was sheer chaos in many ways. And just like moving into a small town, many teachers are considered "new" in the community until they've been around 2 to 3 years. Weird, but it happens.

So do we know how long that teacher had been with that class? And if TH really said what Ms.F said she said?

 

[AbbieNormal]

As someone with a flexible schedule and can often drop by the school for an hour - I do know it is not a luxury all parents are afforded (you see the same parents at day time events, over and over). If TH was going to school for it -then I'm sure they thought they had the parent thing covered. Maybe if he "won" for his grade and went on to some semi-final type thing...then maybe all parents take time off work to go? Anyway - every family has different circumstances and I don't think we can make any judgements one way or the other based on who showed up and who didn't.

One more FYI then I will stop posting about my grandsons talent show the end of this school year- there were no "winners" or prizes, every child got a certificate at the end for their participation. It wasn't a competitive type event, just a casual program for any student who wished to perform to do so.
Ok I will stop now...

abbie

 

[cluciano63]

I am trying to figure out why the talent show would matter to LE. They don't have to prove any sort of motive...it does not effect the fact that Kyron is gone and was gone before the show would have ever begun...whether he was meant to be in it or not, what difference does it make? He was meant to sit through class and eat lunch and do other tasks that day that he did not get to do. Even if another child has info that he was supposed to be in the talent show-so what?

I think this 9-yr old. had an interaction with Kyron and/or Terri that day or witnessed one of the other of them at some point. I don't think LE is interested in what Kyron would have been doing if he was in school in the afternoon.

 

[Donjeta]

Respectfully, I disagree--but agree that on the surface, it sounds dismissive. However, the confusion over a dr's appt. remains. All we have so far is more telephone game comments about taht incident.

And being "new", even though at this point she'd had just about a full year in that classroom (that's an assumption, she may have just been hired recently to replace someone) could be applicable. The fact is that it does take experience to learn how to efficiently handle situations. I imagine that the science fair day was sheer chaos in many ways. And just like moving into a small town, many teachers are considered "new" in the community until they've been around 2 to 3 years. Weird, but it happens.

So do we know how long that teacher had been with that class? And if TH really said what Ms.F said she said?

Isn't Kyron's teacher K. Porter?

http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools/skyline/files/school-skyline/Parent_Handbook_2008-Final.pdf

This Skyline school handbook for the year 2008-2009 lists her as a staff member on page 18.

 

[Morag]

On another forum, someone (a parent) from Skyline describede a flyer from last year's talent show and it described a very informal event. Kids who wanted to be in it were to let the teacher know by a certain date and tell them what they would be performing, etc. It was not mandatory and if I remember correctly, it was not really meant for an outside audience, although parents were allowed to attend.

Originally Posted by winterrose
http://skylineelementary.org/files/5_26_09issue.pdf

This was about thier school activities 2009 and about the talentshow...

Any Skyline student can sign up to share their talent during this entire week. Talent Show previews will be held in the gym during recess on Thursday and Friday. June 5th is the day of the talent show. Acts must sign up and have their act approved during the previews in order to perform in the show. We welcome any and all talents that are appropriate for K-8th grade students. Acts will be limited to 2 minutes or less in order to make sure we get through the talent show in a reasonable amount of time.

So it looks as though participation was voluntary and the standards were fairly casual.

However, I must object to this topic because it has reminded me of a long-buried and traumatizing experience. In 5th grade, two of my friends and I auditioned for the talent show- we were NOT selected.

We were broken-hearted, so sure that our talent (singing the semi-religious pop song "He") was extraordinary. It seemed that they were actually choosing talented people, not just bolstering the self-esteem of the would-be participants. As I look back, perhaps they were just being kind, didn't want us to be laughed at.

 

[pugglesworth]

I dunno why but I get the feeling if Kyron was "abused" by Terri it wasn't physical abuse, it was more mental abuse. "Come on,Kyron, keep up with us, stop dilly-dallying, don't do that, do you want a time out? How many times have I told you not to do that? Where the hell are your glasses, do you know how much trouble you are in if you have lost them again? Don't make me mad, Kyron, or you will go and sit in your room till I say you can come out, no you may NOT have a snack, baby K is having one cos she was a GOOD girl, you were a BAD boy. If you tell your Daddy, you are going to be in so much trouble" etc. etc etc

Nagging is "abuse" now?

 

[Donjeta]

I am trying to figure out why the talent show would matter to LE. They don't have to prove any sort of motive...it does not effect the fact that Kyron is gone and was gone before the show would have ever begun...whether he was meant to be in it or not, what difference does it make? He was meant to sit through class and eat lunch and do other tasks that day that he did not get to do. Even if another child has info that he was supposed to be in the talent show-so what?

I think this 9-yr old. had an interaction with Kyron and/or Terri that day or witnessed one of the other of them at some point. I don't think LE is interested in what Kyron would have been doing if he was in school in the afternoon.

IMO the things that would have happened in the afternoon could have some relevance if the eventual defendant attempts to argue that maybe Kyron wasn't abducted, he could have run away or wandered off and came to some harm afterwards. If there was something he waited for excitedly he would be less likely to do so and more likely if there was something he was scared of. The talent show could be either, depending on what he had to do and what his personality was like.

 

[AbbieNormal]

Were all the other parents supposed to show up at 10:00 to take their child's project home? I don't understand what you are saying.

All I am saying was she supposedly (said) she took the truck so she could bring the project to and fro, why did she not wait till the fair was over at 10am and remove the project? I dunno how many kids had projects so cumbersome that taking them home on the bus was not possible. The projects were set on each students desk so I imagine there would be a lot of science fair cr*p in the way after 10am in the classroom, making teaching in a room full of projects a daunting task that day.,

But, we don't know what the school had requested of the parents as far as getting those projects out of the school after the fair. I can't imagine why Terri, who was supposed to be "so involved" in the school and knowing the SF was over at 10am, didn't plan to take his project out of there, she should have known that would be a good idea. Was Kyron to bring it home on the bus, which is a moot question cos Terri knew dang well Kyron would not be on that bus that afternoon....

I have a question...did Terri bring the project to the school with Kyron that morning or had she brought the project there prior to that day?