The Talent show

[pdx]

Excuse me for putting forth my thoughts but we really don't know if this GJ was called together for an indictment or for investigative purposes. Just a guess, but I would say investigative. moo

I had posted before with some links showing this was called an investigative grand jury by many people associated with the case. I always thought it was for investigation vs indictment.

 

[Kat010]

I had posted before with some links showing this was called an investigative grand jury by many people associated with the case. I always thought it was for investigation vs indictment.

Any grand jury can return, nor not return, an indictment.

 

[DreamyEye]

I think the talent show is important for a couple of reasons. Not the very most important thing, maybe, but something that has to be considered along with dozens (or maybe even hundreds!) of other details.

If nothing else, the talent show represents another opportunity that day for the adults in the school to realize a child was missing, and get the search going. What does it mean that none of the adults checked it out? I can see where there might be a dismissing attitude to a point ... something like "oh, I'm sure he's just in the rest room" or "didn't I hear something about him going to the doctor?" But while trying to shrug it off in that way, most responsible adults in this day and age would double check. And yet here you have a school swarming with adults, and not one of them double checked? This, to me, raises the likelyhood that one or more key adults were intentionally misled.

Another reason that the talent show is important is that it goes to what Kyron expected to happen on that day, and what he expected to be doing. Comments he did or didn't make to teachers and students were likely based on his plans and expectations.

Finally, the talent show is important because we have two fairly credible factions in disagreement as to whether Kyron was or was not going to perform in it. There is no reason for either of these factions to lie about it. Here again, does the confusion grow out of someone's deliberate attempt to mislead people? How odd that there would "coincidentally" be a disagreement about this on the very day that Kyron disappeared.

I don't know what to make of it myself ... but my sense of things is that it's important.

 

[DreamyEye]

From what Kaine has said, I'm under the impression that he loves and cares about Kyron, and is involved in, and attentive to, the things in Kyron's life.

That being the case, I think Kaine would have made a point to mention to Kyron - or Kyron to him - the significant things of the day to come the morning of June 4.

Kaine said Kyron and he talked about the science fair that morning. That's an example of what I mean.

It's therefore significant to me that, that morning, Kaine and Kyron talked about the science fair, and didn't talk about the talent show or a doctor's appointment. It looks to me like neither Kaine nor Kyron expected, as of 7:45am that morning, the talent show or doctor's appointment to happen that day.

I think it's possible for Kaine (and Desiree) to be involved, attentive parents--and still be in the dark regarding Kyron performing in the talent show. From Kyron's perspective, his time with Kaine and Desiree is precious. Kaine is dividing his attention between Kyron, a career, a wife, and a new baby. Then, as a kid, Kryon knows that during a lot of the time with his Dad, his Dad is going to be in charge of the conversation--so Kyron has some grasp that "attention from Dad" and "discussing things with Dad" are finite resources. And with Desiree, this is even more true, since she's non-custodial. That doesn't make anyone inattentive or uninvolved. It's just a reality that there's only so much Mom and Dad to go around, and as a step-brother and a half-brother, Kyron likely understood this.

The other day I was checking out at a grocery store where I do a lot of business, and the cashier was a woman I've known for years. She is very involved with her kids and always talking about them--clearly very proud of them and very attentive. While waiting on me, her cell phone rang and she answered it. It was her daughter informing her that it was parent/teacher day. She more or less told the kid "too late now!" When she ended the call, she was very disgusted. "How many times this week have I asked this kid over breakfast--what's going on, what are we supposed to do today? Is there anything I need to know about? Is there anything I need to sign? So today is the first I hear of parent/teacher day, and there's no way I can go."

With parents having to work so much to support the family and so many blended families with multiple kids each having their own needs, I think there are a lot of great parents who are nonetheless in the dark about things going on with their kids. JMO.

 

[debs]

I agree, DreamyEye. For instance, not checking out, following up, making sure, could be the reason there's confusion about the Dr's appointment. Because the teacher made an early assumption (that Kyron was in the bathroom) and then promptly got distracted getting the other kids organized and her mental note to check later didn't kick in, and when she marked him absent, she furthered her assumption by assuming that Terri took Kyron with her to a dr's appointment, and at the talent show, further banked on the assumption that Kyron was with Terri and no doubt added another mental note to be p'o'd at Terri for not following procedures.

All the while, based on her assumptions, Kyron was not accounted for. When at 4 or so she was contacted wondering where Kyron was, her first accusation (no longer an assumption) was that he left with Terri.

This, as many other things, is not an accusation on MY part, but a possibility for confusion regarding the day at Skylline Elementary School.

 

[Calliope]

I think the talent show is important for a couple of reasons. Not the very most important thing, maybe, but something that has to be considered along with dozens (or maybe even hundreds!) of other details.

If nothing else, the talent show represents another opportunity that day for the adults in the school to realize a child was missing, and get the search going. What does it mean that none of the adults checked it out? I can see where there might be a dismissing attitude to a point ... something like "oh, I'm sure he's just in the rest room" or "didn't I hear something about him going to the doctor?" But while trying to shrug it off in that way, most responsible adults in this day and age would double check. And yet here you have a school swarming with adults, and not one of them double checked? This, to me, raises the likelyhood that one or more key adults were intentionally misled.

Another reason that the talent show is important is that it goes to what Kyron expected to happen on that day, and what he expected to be doing. Comments he did or didn't make to teachers and students were likely based on his plans and expectations.

Finally, the talent show is important because we have two fairly credible factions in disagreement as to whether Kyron was or was not going to perform in it. There is no reason for either of these factions to lie about it. Here again, does the confusion grow out of someone's deliberate attempt to mislead people? How odd that there would "coincidentally" be a disagreement about this on the very day that Kyron disappeared.

I don't know what to make of it myself ... but my sense of things is that it's important.

As pointed out on another thread, the school policy was that the student be signed out. And yet he obviously wasn't. I'd not only like to know when Kyron was marked absent but what if any notations to that were made about him leaving the school premises (i.e. "stepmom took him out for appt").

CYA. Just sayin'.

 

[Deleted member 718]

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/mediacenter/[email protected]

Video of mother saying her child testified at the GJ alone.

About :53 into the video.

 

[Calliope]

I have a real problem with that. He should have had an appointed advocate present as it is allowed by law.

 

[pdx]

Any grand jury can return, nor not return, an indictment.

That's fine, but my statement still stands. It's my understanding that the purpose of this grand jury was not indict/don't indict (as many GJs are). Its purpose was investigatory. And yes, they may return or not return an indictment.

 

[just]

If Terri did it, and she was the one in the white truck by Jim Kelley's, and she needed to go there at that time (3pm), then she would not have wanted Kaine knowing about the talent show and possibly deciding to go to it (at 1pm), because then he would have discovered Kyron missing at 1pm,, and she wouldn't have been able to do whatever she needed to do at 3pm near Jim Kelley's.

/me pats myself on the back for yet another of my champion-level run-on sentences

:waitasec::dance: Love that run-on!

I'm still not understanding how TH got near Jim Kelley's house at 3 PM when she met the bus around that time with KH. Now DSS's brother has a white truck too (or cousin?) could be related, could not be related at all. And so the mystery continues...

 

[just]

That's fine, but my statement still stands. It's my understanding that the purpose of this grand jury was not indict/don't indict (as many GJs are). Its purpose was investigatory. And yes, they may return or not return an indictment.

If it hasn't been mentioned before, just so you guys know, the DA basically tries to 'prove' he has a case to the GJ by calling witnesses he feels have information that point to a criminal (or criminals). Imagine when you see the DA do their opening arguments to a jury, that's what it's like - they bring in people who they feel give compelling testimony to indict an individual, and they speak to those witnesses *first* and corroborate their story.

So where am I going with this...when people have said "I don't think Kyron was in the talent show and that boy was mistaken" my guess is the DA already checked that boy's story out and brought him as a witness to help shore up a case against...? TH? I really don't know. But I'd be surprised if they didn't check on his story pre-GJ because what a time waster that would be.

 

[just]

But I think she would have needed Kyron not to think he had a doctor's appt that day. Otherwise, he may tell someone, and she needed him not to do that, because she needed people to think the appt was the next week.

And really, there are any number of things you can tell a 7 year old to get them outside. I think if she's guilty, she needed to tell him something very spur of the moment, that he wouldn't tell anyone else. "Oh come quick, I just remembered you have a dr appt. Sssshhh don't tell anyone." I think even a 7 year old would be skeptical of.

"Darn it! I left your lunch in the truck! Come run out with me and grab it, honey." works just fine.

If she set up a scenario like I described, there had to be something more important she was trying to do, that she would set it up that way, I think. Something important that couldn't be done in another way.

I agree - something along the lines of - 'oh gosh Kyron, dad called and he needs us to pick up XYZ' or 'Kyron, did you get the ABC out of the truck like I asked you, come on, let's go and get it.'

I also think she'd want him to not freak out, so not sure how she'd do that when they went driving down weird back roads and/or met an accomplice. Like how would a hand-off go? "Go with the nice man, Kyron, he's taking you to meet your mom today." The whole thing is just so horrific and gross to think about her doing that.

 

[Billylee]

From the June 25 interview on KGW (at about the 9:45 mark)
http://www.kgw.com/video?id=97177194&sec=547977

BBM


Reporter: Now, was he supposed to be in a talent show that same day as well?

Desiree: Uh, there's been some rumor that he was supposed to be in a talent show. I don't really know if that's credible.

(then the reporter says something quick inaudible)

Kaine: Yeah, we......we were, we didn't have any information that lead us to believe that initially, but we've heard some things since then, but...so, we're not certain.


Okay, these statements tell me they knew nothing about a talent show. And that whomever this rumor came from is not credible to Desiree. (TH, maybe?) And it also tells me, that Kaine, has new information that he didn't have coming from somewhere the leads him to believe that, yes, maybe Kyron was scheduled to be in the talent show.

So, this makes me wonder as I said upthread somewhere, if maybe TH told them he was to be in the talent show only AFTER Kyron went missing; not before, because she didn't want them there.

Who else would make up a "rumor" that Kyron was to be in the talent show and who else wouldn't Desiree believe?

Just noodlin' around.

 

[BeanE]

:waitasec::dance: Love that run-on!

I'm still not understanding how TH got near Jim Kelley's house at 3 PM when she met the bus around that time with KH.

It's only a few minutes from the Horman home to Kelley home area where the white truck was seen. A few minutes as in single digits - I can't remember exactly how many, but it's posted somewhere within the depths of the forum.

The truck was sighted at 3. The scheduled bus drop-off time (I posted the bus schedule herein) is 3:21, and they didn't go to the bus stop until about 3:30.

There was time for the Horman truck to go from the Horman home to the Kelley home area and back in time for the bus.

 

[kappy50]

Well the word "UH" makes me cringe first off...I don't know if they did or did not know...but for some ODD reason they are tap dancing around this question.....Now I will say, and sometimes all I have to reference too is my grandson's school, so please bear with me...if all families involved had a calendar,which they would have gotten at the beginning of the school year, and turn the months over every month, they would have known there was a talent show that day. The calendar did not show the SF, but they did show the talent show...Now I have no link because the link for the school year for that time frame is no longer up...JMO

 

[just]

Well the word "UH" makes me cringe first off...I don't know if they did or did not know...but for some ODD reason they are tap dancing around this question.....Now I will say, and sometimes all I have to reference too is my grandson's school, so please bear with me...if all families involved had a calendar,which they would have gotten at the beginning of the school year, and turn the months over every month, they would have known there was a talent show that day. The calendar did not show the SF, but they did show the talent show...Now I have no link because the link for the school year for that time frame is no longer up...JMO

Yes, if they used the calendar. I'm way too lame to remember to put up the school calendars! I'm still thinking TH didn't tell KH and maybe forgot herself about the talent show...who knows...but I agree that this has got to be some sort of key info to prove ______ (motive, lying, contradictions in stories, etc). It could simply be that TH talked to other parents about the talent show and Kyron being in it, and then claimed 'oh I didn't know he was in that!" It could simply speak to her chronic lying, or gosh who knows, we just don't know until we know!

 

[kappy50]

Yes, if they used the calendar. I'm way too lame to remember to put up the school calendars! I'm still thinking TH didn't tell KH and maybe forgot herself about the talent show...who knows...but I agree that this has got to be some sort of key info to prove ______ (motive, lying, contradictions in stories, etc). It could simply be that TH talked to other parents about the talent show and Kyron being in it, and then claimed 'oh I didn't know he was in that!" It could simply speak to her chronic lying, or gosh who knows, we just don't know until we know!

Oh Just I do agree with the "IF"...supposedly this family is all about Kyron's actvities at school...and he so loved those activities at school, so we have been led to believe....seems Kyron knew more than the parents..sad, so very sad...thank U!

 

[Billylee]

I'd be lost without my calendar and I don't have kids at home, but ohhh, all those doctors appointments would get sooooo confusing! LOL

 

[Calliope]

From the June 25 interview on KGW (at about the 9:45 mark)
http://www.kgw.com/video?id=97177194&sec=547977

BBM


Reporter: Now, was he supposed to be in a talent show that same day as well?

Desiree: Uh, there's been some rumor that he was supposed to be in a talent show. I don't really know if that's credible.

(then the reporter says something quick inaudible)

Kaine: Yeah, we......we were, we didn't have any information that lead us to believe that initially, but we've heard some things since then, but...so, we're not certain.


Okay, these statements tell me they knew nothing about a talent show. And that whomever this rumor came from is not credible to Desiree. (TH, maybe?) And it also tells me, that Kaine, has new information that he didn't have coming from somewhere the leads him to believe that, yes, maybe Kyron was scheduled to be in the talent show.

So, this makes me wonder as I said upthread somewhere, if maybe TH told them he was to be in the talent show only AFTER Kyron went missing; not before, because she didn't want them there.

Who else would make up a "rumor" that Kyron was to be in the talent show and who else wouldn't Desiree believe?

Just noodlin' around.

What I'd like to know is why in the world by June 25th did Kaine and Desiree not know the answer to that question ?????? One call to the school is all it would take. I'm sure the teacher / school would tell them. Why are they depending on rumors? They both seem so unconcerned about it. Why wouldn't they want to know as many facts as possible regarding the day he disappeared ????

 

[BeanE]

What I'd like to know is why in the world by June 25th did Kaine and Desiree not know the answer to that question ?????? One call to the school is all it would take. I'm sure the teacher / school would tell them. Why are they depending on rumors? They both seem so unconcerned about it. Why wouldn't they want to know as many facts as possible regarding the day he disappeared ????

I don't think they're the ones depending on those particular rumors.