The three phone calls Shawn made Billie that he deleted

[Soulmagent]

Any conflict SA had with his call history could have been "i dont remember"

He made 11 phone calls in a few hours. The actions of deleting the calls is moot after the officer has seen them. It would have been almost better had he said something like
"I was high and called so many people I dont remember for sure"

So him deleting them in the LE's office after he got there and showed the officer once had me thinking it was more something he was hiding from Billie and not LE.

 

[SubtleGrace]

Could he have been calling Hailey? Calling BDs phone while she was at work?

Bingo! I think we have a winner! Why would he be calling Billie's cell phone during the day, if he knew that she leaves it home for the kids?????

 

[gngr~snap]

keep it from Billie. What if it said like "hot mama" pr some cavity causing pwt name and the officer said so this # here is! Billie? SA says yes. Officer hands phone back, then :waitasec: THAT is not BD's # then delete delete delete! Cause SA got caught in a lie?

plausible or a dealer maybe IDK

android posted excuse typos

 

[Mariel Van Arkle]

Would a phone call still register on the log even if someone does not pick up the other end? Because, if so, SA could have been calling Billie's cell at home to make sure DD was not in the house (assuming DD would pick up the phone if he was at home). Kind of a security check so to speak.

 

[angeleleven]

Yes, it stills registers as a "missed call".

 

[Mariel Van Arkle]

So if SA was calling BD's cell at home, and he was not expecting HD to answer (because she was supposed to be at her friend's house, or otherwise missing) the only other person he could reasonably expect to pick up the phone would be DD. He would not want LE to know he called an empty home, and he'd have to make up a reason as to why he'd need to call DD, if that is who he was trying (or trying not) to reach. Easier to just delete the three (missed, if so) calls.

 

[Blue Eyed Chick]

Just because it was labeled "Billie" doesn't mean the phone calls were actually to BD. He could have typed in "Billie" for someone else (perhaps a girlfriend?) so as to not get caught if BD were to look at his call logs.

 

[Soulmagent]

So if SA was calling BD's cell at home, and he was not expecting HD to answer (because she was supposed to be at her friend's house, or otherwise missing) the only other person he could reasonably expect to pick up the phone would be DD. He would not want LE to know he called an empty home, and he'd have to make up a reason as to why he'd need to call DD, if that is who he was trying (or trying not) to reach. Easier to just delete the three (missed, if so) calls.

Monday she was supposed to be home until after SA arrived there at 315
Tuesday she was supposed to be at the friends and at noon it come to light she had not been there.

We do not know what day or time the deleted phone calls are for.

 

[gngr~snap]

Monday she was supposed to be home until after SA arrived there at 315
Tuesday she was supposed to be at the friends and at noon it come to light she had not been there.

We do not know what day or time the deleted phone calls are for.

Maybe he only deleted them just to buy some time.Say time enough to warn that person a heads up (if it wasn't really Billie ) that LE had his phone, he'd deleted the # but that in time they would aquire the # and be contacting that person to question them?

 

[Lanie]

Since LE got his cell phone records and her cell phone records even if he deleted a call it will still be in the records. I don't even think you can delete calls but I could be wrong.

I agree LE now has the phone records, but at the time this took place they did not. That's why I question someone being smart enough to know about phone pings but thinking deleting a call list from their phone is going to 'thwart' LE from discovering what calls were made.

IMO, if the scenario was SA told LE he had not talked to BD on the phone, after LE had seen the calls, the simplest thing to do would be to say, "Oh, yeah, I forgot, I did call her 3 times." unless that just would not fly, KWIM? But no, he deletes it, right in front of LE. This may have temporarily bought some time, but LE has the records now, and they know who, when , and how long he spoke with whoever he called. IMO, these calls are proof somehow the story SA has told LE is not true.

Also, IMO, if these calls turned out to be to say, a drug dealer, that doesn't prove anything. Drug dealers have friends, too, I would think, and just having phone calls to someone who deals drugs doesn't prove you buy drugs from them.

 

[Lanie]

Could he have been calling Hailey? Calling BDs phone while she was at work?

Bingo! I think we have a winner! Why would he be calling Billie's cell phone during the day, if he knew that she leaves it home for the kids?????

Here's my problem with this. (And I'm sorry, I'm really not trying to be argumentive :crazy::crazy::crazy

LE has publicly stated none of the sightings of Hailey on that Monday have been corroborated. So, IMO, if the calls were made later than the early morning on Monday, and these were actual calls vs. going straight to voice mail, then either SA was contacting someone else on BD's phone, or he was actually speaking with Hailey, which would seem to not make these sightings such a big deal.

IMO, for him to be calling Hailey in the early morning, I don't have a clue what the purpose would be. BD says she was late getting picked up, and how would SA know that? He left his work at 6:10am, and it's too much of a stretch, at least right now, for me to believe he just happened to start calling Hailey after 6:30 when BD should have been gone by 6:20, and he also shows pinging at 6:35 in CC. Even adding a few minutes to get to the house after the pinging starts, 3 calls of any substance over what appears to be a less than 10 minute window just seems odd.

Right now my #1 theory on this is they were actual calls to BD, and it's in a time frame where the story is SA and BD were together, so no need for SA to be calling her on the phone. MOO.

 

[Lanie]

Just because it was labeled "Billie" doesn't mean the phone calls were actually to BD. He could have typed in "Billie" for someone else (perhaps a girlfriend?) so as to not get caught if BD were to look at his call logs.

If I were calling another guy I didn't want my husband to know about, so I used a different name, if my husband were to look at my phone, why wouldn't he know when he saw calls to him, that he had not spoken with me at that time? Personally, I would use the name of a female friend, but SA, IMO, is not the brightest bulb in the light fixture, so who knows?

 

[Mariel Van Arkle]

Monday she was supposed to be home until after SA arrived there at 315
Tuesday she was supposed to be at the friends and at noon it come to light she had not been there.

We do not know what day or time the deleted phone calls are for.

Oh, that's right. I don't know why I can't keep this straight, I've been getting this timeline screwed up from day one. :nevermind:

 

[Gardenlady]

Here's my problem with this. (And I'm sorry, I'm really not trying to be argumentive :crazy::crazy::crazy

LE has publicly stated none of the sightings of Hailey on that Monday have been corroborated. So, IMO, if the calls were made later than the early morning on Monday, and these were actual calls vs. going straight to voice mail, then either SA was contacting someone else on BD's phone, or he was actually speaking with Hailey, which would seem to not make these sightings such a big deal.

IMO, for him to be calling Hailey in the early morning, I don't have a clue what the purpose would be. BD says she was late getting picked up, and how would SA know that? He left his work at 6:10am, and it's too much of a stretch, at least right now, for me to believe he just happened to start calling Hailey after 6:30 when BD should have been gone by 6:20, and he also shows pinging at 6:35 in CC. Even adding a few minutes to get to the house after the pinging starts, 3 calls of any substance over what appears to be a less than 10 minute window just seems odd.

Just brainstorming off the top of my head... If he calls early, maybe he has already left his job after the bizarre Dr Pepper incident, is on his way back to CCity, and is calling to see if BD has left for work yet. He is intending to go home to BDs house, and has some intention of doing something to/with HD (taking her somewhere? Harming her? Cleaning up? And I hate, hate speculating on these things), so he needs to be sure BD is gone. Thus, the uncorroborated sightings of HD later in the morning/early afternoon are just that still - uncorroborated, mistaken sightings, perhaps. He gets home, and something happens to HD. He later deletes these calls because he realizes that for him to be calling BDs home shows he is not at work, shows he was calling home for some reason at a time when he knew BD should have already left, etc.

If he called later in the morning, same thing... maybe she hasn't been out of the house yet, he calls to be sure BD is gone, goes home, something happens to HD.

Wish we knew for sure which number (home cell phone or work) that he had listed under "Billie", and what dang time it was that the calls were made.

 

[TxLady2]

What I dont get is why the officer handed the phone back to SA to give him the chance to delete any calls.

They are questioning him. Once the officer had his phone the officers should have had him talking and then the officers checking the phone along with him.

How was Shawn supposed to know they would want to see it again,and why didnt he delete it before he got there?

Good questions! On my phone, I have to delete each call separately, whether it's incoming or outgoing. I don't know how to delete all of them with one fell swoop, is that possible? It sure doesn't make sense for them to hand the phone back to him. Did they sit there and watch him delete all 3 calls? Pretty stupid move, if you ask me.
When or what day were these calls made? Monday? So if Billie left her phone with the kids, why would he have been calling her cell phone?

 

[belimom]

Could he have been calling Hailey? Calling BDs phone while she was at work?

-Billie claims that SA told her that LE wanted to see where he had called her at work. He deleted those 3 calls.
-The affidavit shows only that the call id for the 3 calls he deleted was "Billie", could have been work or cell.

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These 3 calls are perplexing without knowing the date, time and location from which they were sent and received.

Bingo! I think we have a winner! Why would he be calling Billie's cell phone during the day, if he knew that she leaves it home for the kids?????

Yes, BINGO indeed!!!!

Here is a possibility:

- BD did NOT leave her phone home on Monday (but did on Tuesday)

- SA's 'pings' from 6:36-6:56 were to BD's cell phone while she was in the car on the way to work* (6:30-7:00 - I think the timeline may fit too much to just be coincidental?)
--- (*ETA: Or, Billie's house... meaning, he was trying to reach Hailey, or talking to Hailey? I'm starting to spin in circles here - LOL!)

- So between questioning BD (who says her phone was at home) and questioning SA (who said he called BD at 'work'), I think LE decided to check the actual number that SA had dialed (and that's when he deleted it) b/c somewhere along the line, someone slipped and said something that indicated to LE that BD's phone was not at home that day (Monday). It may have been either with SA or with BD.

- I also think the text at 2:16pm was not from CCity. If it had pinged from CCity, then LE would have been more inclined to believe the sightings placing Hailey in CCity on Monday. If there was nothing hinky about that text, then LE would not be acting so secretive about it.

One thing LE has said is that the statements being given do not match the electronic data. I'm starting to think not only are they talking about where SA was but also where BD's phone was..

JMHO

 

[SoSueMe]

Just because it was labeled "Billie" doesn't mean the phone calls were actually to BD. He could have typed in "Billie" for someone else (perhaps a girlfriend?) so as to not get caught if BD were to look at his call logs.

"Billie" could also be Billie at work, where he would likely call her the most often. Perhaps the phone left at the house was labeled "home" or something like that? If BD leaves the phone home for the kids all the time, I don't see him labeling that number as Billie necessarily.

As in most cases, I wish we had those phone records!

 

[grandmaj]

Good questions! On my phone, I have to delete each call separately, whether it's incoming or outgoing. I don't know how to delete all of them with one fell swoop, is that possible? It sure doesn't make sense for them to hand the phone back to him. Did they sit there and watch him delete all 3 calls? Pretty stupid move, if you ask me.
When or what day were these calls made? Monday? So if Billie left her phone with the kids, why would he have been calling her cell phone?

LE knows they can get the phone records. I think it was a pretty good move. LE is watching every reaction during questioning. For SA to do this showed they had him in a tight spot. It is all part of the record. At that time there was no search warrant for the phone, so even though SA gave it up once, he chose to not cooperate fully by erasing the numbers.

This in my opinion showed the mindset of SA at the time and just one more way to prove he was hiding something.

The question about why he would be calling BD on her cell phone is a good one. It said BD on the screen but who was on the other end of that phone? He knew BD was at work. So was he actually calling Hailey? Or was he calling BD at work.

 

[belimom]

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The question about why he would be calling BD on her cell phone is a good one. It said BD on the screen but who was on the other end of that phone? He knew BD was at work. So was he actually calling Hailey? Or was he calling BD at work.

bbm

I think one of two things, if these were those early morning calls:

1) BD wasn't at work until around 7:00am, so if he was calling her, then it had to have been cell phone or either a third phone while she was in the car on the way to work from 6:30-7:00. So was the phone the friend's? an unknown phone? BD's phone? :waitasec:

OR

2) he could have been calling Billie's house.

 

[grandmaj]

Yup scary stuff to think he was calling the cell phone if it was at the house with only Hailey there.

If the phone was with Billie and not at the house as claimed, then he was probably trying to verify that Billie was gone from the house.