The VERDICT! He's....GUILTY!!!

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  • #581
This Jury is a fine example of the process. I even admire the one lone hold out. Perhaps even a bit more. He processed the evidence and testimony and obviously had questions. He and they worked thru the issues. As it should be. I am fascinated that the young fellow was Foreman. This was a great group who worked well together. Kudos to them.

I couldn't agree more, Bravo!

And thankfully he did have his questions, which only proves this jury had not deliberated among themselves until it was their time. No appellate issue with their deliberations!

:)
 
  • #582
7:50 p.m. Final holdout swayed by hearsay testimony

The final holdout juror said he finally decided Drew Peterson was guilty after talking with other jurors this morning.

“After talking with them, in my mind I reached (that he was guilty beyond) reasonable doubt,” Supalo said. “It was only the hearsay that convicted him. If the hearsay law hadn’t been passed, he wouldn’t have been found guilty.”
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...f-jury-deliberations-20120906,0,3642366.story
 
  • #583
  • #584
"It was a household accident."

Dear Lord...

Yeah, right. We're all familiar with those pesky household accidents that leave use bruised all over our bodies but drowned in a dry tub.

It always amazes me that creeps like these guys think the public is stupid enough to fall for such nonsense.
 
  • #585
I dont think his son will believe he did it until Stacys body is found. Then it will make sense to him.
 
  • #586
  • #587
Thank you jurors for your just verdict!

Rest in peace beautiful Kathleen!
:rose:

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http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic...ictims/kathleen-savio-PECLB203720374435.topic

Stacy thank you for being so brave, justice will be served for you as well.
 
  • #588
today was a good day indeed! In case anyone missed it Jerice Hunter was also indicted in the murder of Jhesseye Shockley today... by a grand jury! First degree!

sorry for the OT but today was truly a good day

:rocker::woohoo::D:Bananahair::Banane35::toast:
 
  • #589
Will DP have a new mug shot now?
Will DP get to keep his pension?
Will DP get to keep the insurance?
monies from the house and play toys?
Will he lose control of who raises his minor children?
 
  • #590
  • #591
I have a feeling the lone holdout and possibly other jurors don't know the actual definition of "hearsay" evidence and are conflating it with "circumstantial evidence."

When the "hit man" sat in the witness box and told that jury what Drew Peterson asked him to do (i.e. for $25K find someone to murder Kathleen), that was not hearsay. That is direct evidence (i.e. witness and a party to the conversation).

When various people heard Drew Peterson make comments about how much better his life would be if Kathleen would just die, that too was not hearsay. They heard it directly from the defendant's mouth.

Further, the autopsy and condition of Kathleen's body was not hearsay. That is circumstantial evidence. The bruises are there and can be seen. It doesn't require someone else saying that someone told them Kathleen had bruises all over her body--the photos, the body, the autopsy report-- none of it is hearsay.

While yes, there was some hearsay testimony allowed, there wasn't ONLY hearsay testimony. So to say only hearsay evidence got him convicted implies they gave no weight to the hit man testimony or anyone else who interacted directly with Drew Peterson, and they didn't look at or consider evidence about the state of her body, how it appeared in the tub, what was there, what wasn't there, etc.

If the jury doesn't understand the meaning of "unanimous" I guarantee they don't understand the difference in types of evidence. But... at least they made the right decision even if they're not quite sure what they were looking at in terms of evidence.

ETA: With just 2 primary pieces of evidence I could see guilty beyond reasonable doubt and it doesn't require any hearsay evidence.

1. Autopsy reports/testimony of Dr. Baden (establishes homicide vs. accident)

2. Hit man testimony (direct evidence DP was seeking to kill Kathleen and then no longer needed "the favor" a week later, once Kathleen was dead).

Circumstantial evidence, yes. Hearsay evidence? No.
 
  • #592
The best news is that it was their error, a defense error is not grounds for an appeal.

Unless the court thinks by making such a bad blunder it makes them look guilty of ineffective assistance of counsel.

Or the courts could think that JB shouldnt have allowed that testimony in altogether even if the defense wanted it in due to it being too prejudial.

IMO
 
  • #593
I'm late in the thread and just finding out about this now. Just got home and turned on the TV. What a glorious day! Giving thanks to the Lord above for Kathleen's justice! I feel justice for Stacy too, and I also believe both Stacy and Kathleen were in that courtroom throughout the trial!

:scale:
 
  • #594
Just two words........

"Untouchable" NOT!!!!!

:great:


:rocker:

RBBM: Just thought of something when I read your post :

The Lifetime Channel can take the word "Untouchable" out of the title of their movie now :woohoo:

They can call it Drew Peterson "Convicted Murderer" :woohoo:

And maybe they'll do a sequel :woohoo:

:woohoo::woohoo:
 
  • #595
Beth K stated tonight she thought the Pension would be gone. Since the Murder was committed while he was still LE.
 
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  • #597
I really have to agree with this juror somewhat. It was the hearsay statements that made it possible for DP to be found guilty.

IMO

Respectfully and completely disagree. See my post above as to exactly why.
 
  • #598
I have a feeling the lone holdout and possibly other jurors don't know the actual definition of "hearsay" evidence and are conflating it with "circumstantial evidence."

When the "hit man" sat in the witness box and told that jury what Drew Peterson asked him to do (i.e. for $25K find someone to murder Kathleen), that was not hearsay. That is direct evidence (i.e. witness and a party to the conversation).

When various people heard Drew Peterson make comments about how much better his life would be if Kathleen would just die, that too was not hearsay. They heard it directly from the defendant's mouth.

Further, the autopsy and condition of Kathleen's body was not hearsay. That is circumstantial evidence. The bruises are there and can be seen. It doesn't require someone else saying that someone told them Kathleen had bruises all over her body--the photos, the body, the autopsy report-- none of it is hearsay.

While yes, there was some hearsay testimony allowed, there wasn't ONLY hearsay testimony. So to say only hearsay evidence got him convicted implies they gave no weight to the hit man testimony or anyone else who interacted directly with Drew Peterson, and they didn't look at or consider evidence about the state of her body, how it appeared in the tub, what was there, what wasn't there, etc.

If the jury doesn't understand the meaning of "unanimous" I guarantee they don't understand the difference in types of evidence. But... at least they made the right decision even if they're not quite sure what they were looking at in terms of evidence.

I dont think it was those witnesses that convinced them.

It was the hearsay statements let in through the Pastor and Harry Smith, the divorce lawyer.

He mentioned 'two' and I believe those are the two he is speaking about.

Is this the first case tried in Illinois under the new 'Drew Law?"

imo
 
  • #599
Respectfully and completely disagree. See my post above as to exactly why.

Thats ok. We can agree to disagree.

But he clearly states what turned them around.

Some of the jurors said they thought he was innocent, but when we heard the two hearsay witnesses – bam – it changed our minds," he said.
 
  • #600
We need/I need clarification before i make any comment on the Jury's "unanimous" question. I know it sounded off the wall. I caught a later blurb and it was a logical question. I wish i had written it down and heard all of it. I think in all the fury of a verdict this has gone by the way side. I hope there is some clarification. I know what i heard and i didn't need to hear all of it to get it wasn't as stupid as it sounded.
 
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