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In the excerpt of his interview on WRAL just now, they showed Kurtz saying that the police planted the google evidence.

Wow!

I watched the interview and I think Kurtz truly believes that the CPD was corrupt with the computer files. On the other hand, if they can PROVE that the CPD did plant the files, I will be the first to demand each of their heads, and badges, on a guillotine.
The thoughts by the jury foreman were pretty safe. Hope to hear more from jurors next week although if they never want to be interviewed I can totally respect that.
 
You make an excellent point, one that I had not considered. Essentially we,a nd apparently the jury, accepted the testimony regarding the Google Maps search as undisputed fact, but we forget that this guy was working for the prosecution. One only need look at our own NC-SBI to see that there in some bias in what they do,and that what they tell a jury isn't always accurate.

The problem with the FBI evidence is that the defense was not allowed access to the information because it involved secret FBI methods. It was said that if the information was released to people with a comp. sc. degree, they could circumvent the secret FBI methods ... therefore it had to remain secret. JW was presented as an expert, but his professionalism was put into question because of pictures he had deleted from his facebook page, and his comments about liking conspiracy theories. The next expert that the defense tried to have testify was disqualified because the prosecution said that they were disadvantaged because he was not on the witness list and they didn't know what he was going to say. Essentially, any efforts the defense made to demonstrate the modified and altered files from Jun 23 onward were denied.

As you say, the only testimony the jury heard was from the FBI guy that works for the local police, and his methods were a secret.
 
In the excerpt of his interview on WRAL just now, they showed Kurtz saying that the police planted the google evidence.

Wow!

On channel 11, they also indicated that the defense read the blogs in real time and made adjustments based on comments. I'm assuming blogs meant websleuths.
 
In the excerpt of his interview on WRAL just now, they showed Kurtz saying that the police planted the google evidence.

Wow![/QUOTE

Reckon he has to stick to the story in preparation for the appeal.

IMO, if anyone deserves to be brought before the board, it should be Kurtz. Making unfounded and slanderous accusations. MOO Perhaps he can get Jay Ward to testify at the possible appeal? And then JW's post here at WS, can be presented, saying 'he told kurtz he wasn't an expert.'
 
IMO, if anyone deserves to be brought before the board, it should be Kurtz. Making unfounded and slanderous accusations. MOO Perhaps he can get Jay Ward to testify at the possible appeal? And then JW's post here at WS, can be presented, saying 'he told kurtz he wasn't an expert.'

That's not what he said gracielee. He said he wasn't a forensics expert. But as the other expert pointed out, JW was more than qualified to discuss the files that he was discussing.


eta: I don't believe his accusations are unfounded. The cell phone expert showed that the phone was wiped in 2 separate events and required a great deal of effort to do so. The forensics expert indicated he believed tampering occurred. Those accusations are based somewhat in reality.
 
Twice the WRAL coverage at 6:30PM showed BC give the evil stare on his way out. Yikes.
 

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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/story/2011/05/06/edmonton-sister-nancy-cooper.html

Nancy Cooper's sister Jill Dean couldn't go to Raleigh for the trial so she watched the trial on the internet.
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"It's sad," Jill Dean said. "It's not like a fist-pumping moment having someone go to prison for the rest of their life. It doesn't give you any sort of satisfaction."

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Dean could not be in Raleigh with her family for the trial, which was part of the reason why she wept at the news of the verdict.

When the trial started eight weeks ago, she was at the end of her pregnancy. She gave birth on March 12 to a daughter who has Nancy as her middle name.
 
That's not what he said gracielee. He said he wasn't a forensics expert. But as the other expert pointed out, JW was more than qualified to discuss the files that he was discussing.

IIRC, JW said in his statement, 'he would have made the same decision the judge did, to not qualify him as an expert in the forensic examination of the computer.' It doesn't matter what the second expert said. He isn't a judge, he doesn't have the power to grant the title of 'expert witness' to anyone. Experts not only possess knowledge, they also have to have their standards and methods examined. Their lab and equipment have to be deemed to be 'up to the accepted standards'. Etc. People don't just sashay into the court room and become *experts*. This trial was no different than any other trial I have watched over the years. Except that I have NEVER seen an EXPERT quite like JW. The fact that he came to WS's that very night and posted, should tell you a little bit about the caliber of *expert* he professed to be. It just isn't done, EVER. Experts are very careful about their profession, their behavior, their reputations, etc. Watch a few more trials, gavel to gavel, and then come back and tell me you still believe JW should have been deemed an expert at anything. From now forward, any time anyone attempts to hire him as an expert, the opposing counsel will be allowed to produce his WS post to discredit him. That will have nothing to do with his facebook page and everything to do with his own indescretion at opening his mouth while a trial is still in process. Even you and I know that is just not done, and neither of us is attempting to become experts, are we?
 
OT! I just want to say, off topic, but relevant in terms of breaking away from logging into the trial each day (as many of us have done for the past two months) ... I spent the morning with two charming young men. They will be 3 and 5 years of age in a few days. We photographed birds at the duck pond. The oldest and I sneaked up on a red winged blackbird and he said "look, they're hanging on with their hands, I thought they sat on branches." Much as we have been consumed with better understanding what really happened between Brad and Nancy, and whether Brad was responsible, the gentle gesture of a two year old slipping his small hand into yours and holding on ... those are the memories to cherish. Just before I left, the 2 year old said "mom, my brother has picked his nose and wiped it on me twice, could you please ask him to get a tissue." I couldn't understand a word he said other than "tissue", but mom understood every word. The four year old sheepishly ...
 
IIRC, JW said in his statement, 'he would have made the same decision the judge did, to not qualify him as an expert in the forensic examination of the computer.' It doesn't matter what the second expert said. He isn't a judge, he doesn't have the power to grant the title of 'expert witness' to anyone. Experts not only possess knowledge, they also have to have their standards and methods examined. Their lab and equipment have to be deemed to be 'up to the accepted standards'. Etc. People don't just sashay into the court room and become *experts*. This trial was no different than any other trial I have watched over the years. Except that I have NEVER seen an EXPERT quite like JW. The fact that he came to WS's that very night and posted, should tell you a little bit about the caliber of *expert* he professed to be. It just isn't done, EVER. Experts are very careful about their profession, their behavior, their reputations, etc. Watch a few more trials, gavel to gavel, and then come back and tell me you still believe JW should have been deemed an expert at anything. From now forward, any time anyone attempts to hire him as an expert, the opposing counsel will be allowed to produce his WS post to discredit him. That will have nothing to do with his facebook page and everything to do with his own indescretion at opening his mouth while a trial is still in process. Even you and I know that is just not done, and neither of us is attempting to become experts, are we?

I guess we're arguing about what JW is qualified to look at versus a forensic expert. I'm talking about him looking at particular files...not doing a forensic analysis of the PC. He absolutely is qualified to look at specific files to determine if tampering occurred. That's what his job is. That's what the other expert said....people like JW analyze things and then bring those findings to forensic specialists.
 
On channel 11, they also indicated that the defense read the blogs in real time and made adjustments based on comments. I'm assuming blogs meant websleuths.

I would bet on it. Could that be when they decided to demonstrate the size of the router?
 
I think Kurtz believes that something shady went on behind the scenes with the electronics: phone, computer. One does have to wonder how a guy with a BSc in computer science would be so dumb as use a work computer to search the drainage ditch 12 hours before deciding to murder his wife and put her there. Brad, of all people, would know that police would look at him first, would examine his computers and would find something like that. It really is very surprising that he would do that. Someone without an understanding of computers might do something like that, but not someone that was so good with them that he could spoof phone calls. I'm having a hard time adding it up ... spoofing calls that cannot be proven as spoofed, and leaving clear evidence on the computer.

I'm surprised because now he has said it. I understood his trial comments to be "anyone" could have planted the evidence, even the "real killer". That was the purpose of showing that the wifi connection was not secure.

To actually come out and say the police did it could land him in hot water if he doesn't have evidence to back that up.
 
That's not what he said gracielee. He said he wasn't a forensics expert. But as the other expert pointed out, JW was more than qualified to discuss the files that he was discussing.


eta: I don't believe his accusations are unfounded. The cell phone expert showed that the phone was wiped in 2 separate events and required a great deal of effort to do so. The forensics expert indicated he believed tampering occurred. Those accusations are based somewhat in reality.

Exactly. It's a common defense tactic to imply police did something shady. We know that and I don't think we blindly fall for that. However, in this case, we have a letter from the investigator to the defense stating that he inadvertently wiped the phone, even though this is cannot be an accidental event. We have a secret computer analysis from the prosecution, but clear evidence of questionable practices and file tampering presented by the defense.
 
That is a misstatement of the testimony. We know he took it home. We know he didn't bring it back. What else is there? I'm quite certain that if they had an explanation for where the router went, the defense would have had someone to testify about it, just like they did with the ducks.

Once the prosecution has shown Brad "borrowed" it, they have proven he had access to it. The prosecution had an opportunity to bring up evidence to the contrary but didn't. The implication is clear, there was no evidence to contrary because Brad dumped the $11,000 router.

It is not a misstatement, and we don't know that he didn't return it. We do know that GM didn't have a very good inventory system that he wants to us to now believe that he does if it took him three years to notice this missing, he even admitted he asked no one else if they had it in the office or on his team. If BC really didn't want anyone to know he had it he didn't even have to tell anyone he took it because GM didn't even know it was gone until BC said he borrowed it. BC had access to all kinds of routers, he used them daily in his job, there is still no evidence he spoofed a call.
 
I believe the "tampering" was done by BC himself in effort(s) to get rid of that search...to no avail.
 
Very interesting interview!

So even though the Judge said that discussion forum people don't know what they're talking about, the defense said that the real time feedback was really important in terms of validating what they thought was happening. For example, if real time posters thought there was a bias in a ruling, they knew about it.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/noteworthy/video/9563382/#/vid9563382
 
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