The Wall Phone

[Toltec]

So, why do you think that FW would have lied about that? If he opened the door, saw a dead body...why in the world would he not have screamed or something? Unless you think he is the perp?

Right...Fleet White the murderer who screams at the top of his lungs wanting a special prosecutor to take over the case.

 

[Zman]

So, why do you think that FW would have lied about that? If he opened the door, saw a dead body...why in the world would he not have screamed or something? Unless you think he is the perp?

I am not saying FW is perp however I find it intriguing that so many search for lies from the R's to point where they make them up yet here is a blatent lie right in front of everyone and it is just dismissed away.

Also if JR or PR the childs own parents can still be such strong suspects I can't understand why the out of work friend who seems to have strange habits and interest in children and in known to have lied that morning is given such a huge pass. Because he screams for a SP means nothing.

 

[BlueCrab]

I am not saying FW is perp however I find it intriguing that so many search for lies from the R's to point where they make them up yet here is a blatent lie right in front of everyone and it is just dismissed away.

Also if JR or PR the childs own parents can still be such strong suspects I can't understand why the out of work friend who seems to have strange habits and interest in children and in known to have lied that morning is given such a huge pass. Because he screams for a SP means nothing.

Zman,

Fleet White did not lie about anything. Fleet opened the door and looked into the darkened wine cellar at 6:15 AM and, from what he could see, JonBenet's body wasn't there. When John and Fleet opened the wine cellar door at 1:05 PM later that day JonBenet's body was in plain view, almost directly in front of the door. Fleet insists that if the body had been there at 6:15 AM, wrapped in a white blanket, he would have seen it when he opened the door and peered in.

John was the only one of the two who went into the wine cellar between those two times -- so it strongly suggests John had moved the body so it could be more easily found.

Fleet White has not lied about anything in this murder; John Ramsey has been caught in dozens of lies -- reaching from day one to the present.

BlueCrab

 

[tipper]

Zman,

Fleet White did not lie about anything. Fleet opened the door and looked into the darkened wine cellar at 6:15 AM and, from what he could see, JonBenet's body wasn't there. When John and Fleet opened the wine cellar door at 1:05 PM later that day JonBenet's body was in plain view, almost directly in front of the door. Fleet insists that if the body had been there at 6:15 AM, wrapped in a white blanket, he would have seen it when he opened the door and peered in.

So how do you know Fleet isn't lying?

 

[BlueCrab]

So how do you know Fleet isn't lying?

tipper,

Character. There's no evidence of Fleet White lying about anything; but there's dozens of instances where John Ramsey has been caught in lies.

John and the rest of the Ramseys are engaged in covering up for someone, and it plainly shows in their behaviors. The Whites aren't covering up for anyone; and it plainly shows in their behaviors.

 

[tipper]

Character? You mean out-of-control, over-reactive, unemployed Fleet? Where was his character when he was having tantrums and having to leave not one, but two houses during JonBenet's funeral? Where was his character when he blew off a subpoena or with-held info from the police?

 

[BlueCrab]

Character? You mean out-of-control, over-reactive, unemployed Fleet? Where was his character when he was having tantrums and having to leave not one, but two houses during JonBenet's funeral? Where was his character when he blew off a subpoena or with-held info from the police?

tipper,

If you knew a close friend was not telling the truth about a murder, what would you do? Would you do nothing? Would you complain to him? Would you eventually sever the friendship? Fleet did the latter two.

Fleet White doesn't need a job. His oil holdings could buy and sell the Ramseys many times over.

Fleet White refused to testify in the Tom Miller trial because his lack of testimony would, as he explained to the court, "be in the best interest of the unsolved JonBenet murder investigation".

BlueCrab

 

[capps]

Fleet White refused to testify in the Tom Miller trial because his lack of testimony would, as he explained to the court, "be in the best interest of the unsolved JonBenet murder investigation".

I still don't understand that one. I asked this in a previous thread,and never got an answer. Why would FW be asked to testify in this case ... as far as I can tell,this case had nothing what so ever to do with FW.

Does any one have any idea?

 

[BlueCrab]

Fleet White refused to testify in the Tom Miller trial because his lack of testimony would, as he explained to the court, "be in the best interest of the unsolved JonBenet murder investigation".

I still don't understand that one. I asked this in a previous thread,and never got an answer. Why would FW be asked to testify in this case ... as far as I can tell,this case had nothing what so ever to do with FW.

Does any one have any idea?

capps,

Fleet White and Tom Miller are entwined somewhat in the JonBenet case. IMO Fleet knows who likely killed JonBenet, but has been playing it close to the chest so as not to taint his evidence.

Fleet refused to obey a court subpoena ordering him to testify at a deposition in the criminal case against Tom Miller. Miller was being prosecuted for his involvement in the attempted $30,000 purchase of the Ramsey ransom note early in the case (he was eventually acquitted). During the deposition a lot of fishing could have occurred and questions could have been asked Fleet White regarding what he knew about the JonBenet murder -- info Fleet didn't want to reveal at that time because it might compromise the JonBenet investigation.

It should be noted that Tom Miller is now married to Judith Phillips, the Ramsey's former friend from Atlanta and later in Boulder. Tom Miller, an attorney and QDE, was one of Darnay Hoffman's examiners (in the Wolf v Ramsey defamation lawsuit) who believes that Patsy Ramsey likely wrote the ransom note.

Tom believes the criminal case against him was orchestrated by the Ramseys and their powerful gaggle of attorneys and prosecutors.

BlueCrab

 

[capps]

Thanks BlueCrab for the info on FW and the Miller case,FW's involvement in it always had me baffled.

Now ... concerning FW knowing info in the Ramsey case,but holding out until he may have to testify. Since it seems like there will never be a trial ... in your opinion,do you think FW should spill the beans on what he knows?

Also ... if he would spill the beans,and it was something big,that can perhaps implicate someone,could FW get into trouble for holding back ...obstruction of justice?

 

[BlueCrab]

Thanks BlueCrab for the info on FW and the Miller case,FW's involvement in it always had me baffled.

Now ... concerning FW knowing info in the Ramsey case,but holding out until he may have to testify. Since it seems like there will never be a trial ... in your opinion,do you think FW should spill the beans on what he knows?

Also ... if he would spill the beans,and it was something big,that can perhaps implicate someone,could FW get into trouble for holding back ...obstruction of justice?

capps,

Good questions, but questions for which I don't have good answers -- only theories based on what little I actually know.

As you likely know, my theory is there were very young kids involved in this crime, and I think the 13-month GJ investigation uncovered who at least two of them were. But there may have been a third underaged male (under 10 years old and thus not able to be prosecuted) also involved; and there also may have been a young adult somehow involved, but perhaps not directly involved in the murder.

Therefore, IMO the Ramsey coverup is likely shielding at least one Ramsey family member, and perhaps one or two non-Ramseys.

It appears Fleet White wanted the Ramseys to spill the beans right from the start -- but the Ramseys chose the coverup route instead, thus casting a shadow of suspicion on everyone even remotely involved -- including the Whites.

IMO Fleet White knows who the likely killer is because he knows first-hand that John has lied and is involved in a coverup. Fleet has probably already passed this info along to LE, so he can't be charged with obstruction. But I think Fleet White would like the whole truth to come out, including the names of the children, so his family's name can be cleared.

In fact, everyone in this case who's been thrown under the bus would also appreciate the truth to be known. IMO the ball is in the Ramsey's court to voluntarily disclose the truth and put this case to bed. There would be no prosecutions, just empathy and thank you's.

BlueCrab

 

[capps]

capps,

Good questions, but questions for which I don't have good answers -- only theories based on what little I actually know.

As you likely know, my theory is there were very young kids involved in this crime, and I think the 13-month GJ investigation uncovered who at least two of them were. But there may have been a third underaged male (under 10 years old and thus not able to be prosecuted) also involved; and there also may have been a young adult somehow involved, but perhaps not directly involved in the murder.

Therefore, IMO the Ramsey coverup is likely shielding at least one Ramsey family member, and perhaps one or two non-Ramseys.

It appears Fleet White wanted the Ramseys to spill the beans right from the start -- but the Ramseys chose the coverup route instead, thus casting a shadow of suspicion on everyone even remotely involved -- including the Whites.

IMO Fleet White knows who the likely killer is because he knows first-hand that John has lied and is involved in a coverup. Fleet has probably already passed this info along to LE, so he can't be charged with obstruction. But I think Fleet White would like the whole truth to come out, including the names of the children, so his family's name can be cleared.

In fact, everyone in this case who's been thrown under the bus would also appreciate the truth to be known. IMO the ball is in the Ramsey's court to voluntarily disclose the truth and put this case to bed. There would be no prosecutions, just empathy and thank you's.

BlueCrab

BlueCrab,

Of course I know your theory,I have enjoyed debating it with you for some five months or so now!

It's up to the Ramsey's now huh? Well,I guess that answers my question,about spilling the beans.

 

[Zman]

tipper,

Character. There's no evidence of Fleet White lying about anything; but there's dozens of instances where John Ramsey has been caught in lies.

John and the rest of the Ramseys are engaged in covering up for someone, and it plainly shows in their behaviors. The Whites aren't covering up for anyone; and it plainly shows in their behaviors.

Blue Crab I don't mind that you desperately cling to your absurd theory and dismiss anything that contradicts it. However I wish you would stop spreading misinformation everywhere.

JR has been caught in no lies.
There is no evidence presented by anyone that FW had any form of vast wealth. Most circumstantial evidence suggests just the opposite.

Maybe FW just missed her laying there. Yes that is possible. But he FACT remains that he said nothing was there and then later there she is. I don't think anyone would risk moving a body with the police around but if anyone would it would be FW who would of moved her to a room he has "cleared".

 

[Nehemiah]

Fleet refused to obey a court subpoena ordering him to testify at a deposition in the criminal case against Tom Miller. Miller was being prosecuted for his involvement in the attempted $30,000 purchase of the Ramsey ransom note early in the case (he was eventually acquitted). During the deposition a lot of fishing could have occurred and questions could have been asked Fleet White regarding what he knew about the JonBenet murder -- info Fleet didn't want to reveal at that time because it might compromise the JonBenet investigation.BlueCrab

IMO Fleet White knows who the likely killer is because he knows first-hand that John has lied and is involved in a coverup. Fleet has probably already passed this info along to LE, so he can't be charged with obstruction. But I think Fleet White would like the whole truth to come out, including the names of the children, so his family's name can be cleared.

I don't understand why Fleet didn't just testify if he likely knows who the killer is? That in itself could have allowed the "truth" to come out and at least exonerate his family's name. The "investigation" was at a standstill and I can't figure out how keeping quiet would be the necessary impetus to get to the truth.

 

[narlacat]

QUOTE>>Blue Crab I don't mind that you desperately cling to your absurd theory and dismiss anything that contradicts it. However I wish you would stop spreading misinformation everywhere.

JR has been caught in no lies.<<


Zman
Just because John Ramsey hasnt been caught, doesnt mean he hasn't lied. You are the one spreading misinformation with statements like that.
John Ramsey has indeed lied.
For the record, John Ramsey lied to his first wife for two years re: his infidelity.

 

[aussiesheila]

So, why do you think that FW would have lied about that? If he opened the door, saw a dead body...why in the world would he not have screamed or something? Unless you think he is the perp?

I don't know what Zman thinks but I think F'Goldilocks'W lied about that. He saw the dead body, he didn't scream, not because he IS the perp but because he was covering up for the perps IMO. I think he went down to the basement at the first opporunity after arriving at the Ramseys, so as to check that the body WAS there and well hidden. I think he was the mastermind behind the coverup and the coverup plan at that point in time was that no-one would find the body because no-one would go looking for it. His original plan was that the police would not have even been there, but that part of the plan had been messed up by Patsy IMO.

 

[aussiesheila]

Right...Fleet White the murderer who screams at the top of his lungs wanting a special prosecutor to take over the case.

Yes Toltec...a special prosecutor to take over from the DA's office so the focus of the case could be re-directed back to searching for evidence only of Ramsey guilt, the direction it was headed when BPD was in charge, before the DA's office widened the investigation by looking at other lines of evidence IMO.

and...'murderer'...no, not at all, just the coverup mastermind who didn't want the real murderers identified IMO.

 

[Toltec]

Yes Toltec...a special prosecutor to take over from the DA's office so the focus of the case could be re-directed back to searching for evidence only of Ramsey guilt, the direction it was headed when BPD was in charge, before the DA's office widened the investigation by looking at other lines of evidence IMO.

and...'murderer'...no, not at all, just the coverup mastermind who didn't want the real murderers identified IMO.

Pray tell Aussie...what other lines of evidence???

How do you explain fibers from Patsy's sweater in the knot of the cord? In the paint tote? hmmmm.

 

[BlueCrab]

Yes Toltec...a special prosecutor to take over from the DA's office so the focus of the case could be re-directed back to searching for evidence only of Ramsey guilt, the direction it was headed when BPD was in charge, before the DA's office widened the investigation by looking at other lines of evidence IMO.

and...'murderer'...no, not at all, just the coverup mastermind who didn't want the real murderers identified IMO.

aussiesheila,

District Attorney Mary Keenan has done NOTHING since taking over the "investigation" of the Ramsey murder. Keenen has no money to carry on an active investigation, and she has not requested any. There is no investigation.

Mary Keenan is part of the obvious coverup involving the Ramseys, the DA's office, and the courts in Boulder. IMO the case has been solved since 1999, underage children were involved, and it's the duty of the district attorney to pretend there's still an investigation in order to not violate Colorado law shielding the identities of the children.

BlueCrab

 

[Zman]

QUOTE>>Blue Crab I don't mind that you desperately cling to your absurd theory and dismiss anything that contradicts it. However I wish you would stop spreading misinformation everywhere.

JR has been caught in no lies.<<


Zman
Just because John Ramsey hasnt been caught, doesnt mean he hasn't lied. You are the one spreading misinformation with statements like that.
John Ramsey has indeed lied.
For the record, John Ramsey lied to his first wife for two years re: his infidelity.

Yes and I'm sure when he was 16 he told his mom he'd be back by 10 and was late. I'm sure he tried to get served at bars when he was 20 lying about his age.

I was talking about the case.