The Wall Phone

[BlueCrab]

The only cop we have heard from, as far as I know, is Steve Thomas. If you can give me quotes from the others I'd love to read them.

tipper,

Well, for starters, there's lots of quotes from BPD Detective Melissa Hickman, who took the 911 tape to El Segundo, California to have Aerospace Corporation enhance those final four seconds. Her interpretation has been published countless times. Then, since this wasn't a private party between Melissa Hickman and Steve Thomas, there's all of the detectives who listened to the enhancement besides Steve Thomas. As you know, the final enhancement wasn't as clear as one would prefer, but the voices could be identified, including that of Burke. I know of one detective who listened to it for over 50 times to make certain of what was being said and who was saying it.

Burke's voice is on that 911 tape, which means the Ramseys lied. Therefore, everything the Ramseys say happened that morning is based on a lie and thus not credible. The Ramseys were covering up the truth even before the investigation had begun.

BlueCrab

 

[tipper]

I don't think I've ever seen a quote from Hickman on any subject. I just did a google search on her and didn't find anything that wasn't a second or third hand description.

Thomas is the only one I know of who has made public statements regarding Burke being on the tape. I would love to read some other quotes. Do you have any?

 

[Camper]

I know that there are three people who know who the voices were on the 911 call.

JR,PR, and an unsleeping Burke. IF you recall the R's recanted on B being asleep in an NE article about two years ago.

SOOOOOOO, IF the words spoken by B were 'what did you find?', and
IF the words spoken by JR, were 'we' are not talking to you, we can now go another 30 rounds on what those words meant to this crime scene.

As a thought, IF B asked, 'what did you find', wouldn't he have seen the note on the floor ?, or why wouldn't he see his dad on all fours on the floor looking at three pieces of paper on the floor, while PR was on the phone? Why wouldn't B have said, 'what is dad looking at'? Then to further speculate, why wouldn't JR have responded, 'go back to bed son'.

I leave you all to paint your own thoughts on B discovering the 'R's respectively on the phone and floor er, hmmm.

I frequently agree with some of the posters thoughts on this case, BC is rather spot on and a great source for factual info.


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[BlueCrab]

I don't think I've ever seen a quote from Hickman on any subject. I just did a google search on her and didn't find anything that wasn't a second or third hand description.

Thomas is the only one I know of who has made public statements regarding Burke being on the tape. I would love to read some other quotes. Do you have any?

tipper,

Cops rarely give interviews during an active murder investigation, so we may not have a direct quote from Melissa Hickman. However, Larry Schiller had an inside track while researching PMPT, including all of the police reports. Here's what Schiller wrote (PMPT pb, pg 372) about Hickman's visit to Aerospace at El Segundo:

"In February, Detective Trujillo had sent a copy of the tape to the U.S. Secret Service, but their attempt to enhance the recording had not succeeded. Aerospace used a different technology, and voices in the background could now be heard more clearly.

"Hickman listened to the tape and wrote down what she heard.

'Help me Jesus, help me Jesus.' That was clearly Patsy's voice. Then, in the distance, there was another voice, which sounded like JonBenet's brother.

'Please, what do I do?' Burke said.

'We're not speaking to you.' Hickman heard John Ramsey say.

"Patsy screamed again. 'Help me Jesus, help me Jesus.'

"And then, more clearly, Burke said, 'What DID you find?'

"This snippet of conversation was obviously important. Patsy and John had told the police, and CNN on January 1, that when they found JonBenet missing, they checked Burke's room for their daughter, who sometimes slept there. They had never said what they found in Burke's room. Later, they said they did not awaken Burke until about 7:00 AM, when her husband roused him to have him taken to the White's home."

Thus, it's clear that Burke was not in bed at 5:52 AM; he was downstairs talking to his parents. The Ramseys had lied about Burke's whereabouts. And it's interesting that when John admonished Burke, he did it in a harsh voice. Why would he do that when Burke was the only other person known to be in the house? At this point shouldn't John be asking Burke what he knew about his missing sister? Or did John and Patsy already know where JonBenet was at 5:52 AM?

BlueCrab

 

[aussiesheila]

If the above is true,I believe Keenan is derelict in her duties to the citizens of Boulder.To have the community believe until this day, that there is a dangerous killer on the loose,when indeed there is not,is outrageous.

If the above is true,and they cannot reveal who the killer is (ie: because of age),then it is up to Keenan to be creative,and find a way to state the case is closed, without revealing who it is.I'm sure some how,some way,that can be done.

Thank you, capps

 

[aussiesheila]

tipper,

Cops rarely give interviews during an active murder investigation, so we may not have a direct quote from Melissa Hickman.

BlueCrab

Bluecrab - a quote from a previous post of yours (post 97) on this thread: “IMO we have the word of all of the cops who have heard the enhanced 911 tape that it contains Burke's voice; and to the best of my knowledge several, if not most, of the BPD have heard it.”

You can't have it both ways Bluecrab, either they all talked about what they heard on the 911 tape, in which case you will be able to supply tipper with the quotes she/he has requested, or they haven't.

Until I see the quotes or first hand references from reliable scources I will assume that they haven't.

 

[shrinkydink]

I haven't read too much about this case since 2000, so I might be way too out of it, but this quote from the Daily Camera (http://web.dailycamera.com/extra/ramsey/1998/21ramsey.html) does make a good point:

"In a blistering attack on the investigation Thursday, attorneys for John and Patsy Ramsey accused "police sources" of leaking information critical to the case — but they did not deny that the 911 information was true."


No matter how many people heard the enhanced tape, the Ramsey's lawyers didn't dispute the veracity of the tape, at least at first. They were mad about a leak, not about a lie.

Cheers,

Shrinky

 

[Toltec]

Bluecrab - a quote from a previous post of yours (post 97) on this thread: “IMO we have the word of all of the cops who have heard the enhanced 911 tape that it contains Burke's voice; and to the best of my knowledge several, if not most, of the BPD have heard it.”

You can't have it both ways Bluecrab, either they all talked about what they heard on the 911 tape, in which case you will be able to supply tipper with the quotes she/he has requested, or they haven't.

Until I see the quotes or first hand references from reliable scources I will assume that they haven't.

I'm sure it was not Steve Thomas who requested the 911 tape be sent to audio specialists...that may have been at the request of his boss. He was not the first person to hear the tapes....it was Det. Hickman since it was she who took the tapes to Aerospace.

When Detectives are working a murder case....they read, see, and hear ALL THE EVIDENCE brought forward.

To think that Steve Thomas was the only one who heard the tape is ludicrous. He was the only detective to write a book so he did mention the tape.

Tipper....like the 911 tape that was played on television....the enhanced 911 tape will also be. Can you tell me if you heard the "help me Jesus, help me Jesus" on the tape?

 

[tipper]

Who is saying Thomas was the first to hear the tape? I said he was the only one who has publicly been quoted about it. Actually that's not completely true since there is the unattributed quote from Schiller where one listener questioned whether you could be sure it was a voice.

Yes. I could easily hear the "Help me, Jesus." What I could not hear was John and Burke speaking or anything that resembled them speaking. Kind of like Mr. Ginsberg:

http://www.forumsforjustice.org/for...76&page=1&pp=12

"What Mr. Ginsberg did not hear unfortunately was Burke or John. He is not surprised. He warned me. This generation of copy is like mud basically. Also he did not pick up any editing attempts. However like I said earlier he did not have the same robot that was used earlier. Plus this was a different tape. By that I mean the same tape that came from the D.A.'s office just not the same tape that Spade used in his lab. "

I'll take his word as to whether or not there had been editing attempts.

 

[Seeker]

tipper,

Cops rarely give interviews during an active murder investigation, so we may not have a direct quote from Melissa Hickman. However, Larry Schiller had an inside track while researching PMPT, including all of the police reports.

BlueCrab

BC I want to comment on this specifically. The "inside track" that Schiller had was Alex Hunter and Jeff Shapiro...it was Hunter who gave him information and let him see all the police files and interviews conducted along with their personal notes (in the margines of their reports). The personal notes are where, I believe, the info about there being a "child's voice" on the enhanced tape. Shapiro also supplied Schiller with some "information" which turned out to be completely fabricated.

Some posters swear they heard the enhanced version of the tape on some talk show or other...maybe they did, but then again maybe they heard the originally released 911 tape (unenhanced) that was played on Hard Copy and after reading that there was an enhanced version and what was supposedly on it they imagined they heard Burke's voice in the backround.

No one other than Schiller and Thomas have ever stated they heard the enhanced tape. No one.

Hunter and Thomas BOTH leaked confidential information and fabricated info to the media...neither of them, IMO, can be trusted.

 

[tipper]

And Schapiro was also in his Steve Thomas hero worship stage and having case discussions with him.

 

[tipper]

What Burke says:

ST’s book, page 15:
He said his sister fell asleep in the car on the way home but awakened to help carry presents into the house of a friend. When they got home, JonBenet walked in slowly and walked up the spiral stairs to bed, just ahead of Patsy. That was quite a difference from the initial and frequently repeated story that she was carried to bed. I felt that this poor kid was confused and that he really had no idea what had happened that night. He heard the house creaking during the night, he said, and when he awoke, his mother was turning on the lights and in a rush, saying, "Oh my gosh, oh my gosh," then his father turned the lights on and off again. Burke stayed in bed wondering if something had happened. He heard his father trying to calm his mother, then telling her to call the police. Burke told the detective he did not get out of bed that morning and that a policeman looked into his room. He recalled thinking that when the police arrived "we would probably be tied up all day" and that he was disappointed the family would not be going to Charlevoix as planned."


PMPT p 524

Then Schuler asked what happened after Burke went to bed. Did he have any dreams? Did he hear anything in his sleep? Burke said he had heard voices, in the distance. Maybe it was a dream, maybe not. It was so long ago he said. Without mentioning the 911 tape, Schuler asked Burke when he got up that morning and how he awakened. He did not want the Ramsey's to learn what the police knew. The plan was to confront them about the tape during their own interviews, which would probably take place later in the month. Burke said he remembered waking up and hearing a loud conversation from down the hall or on the front stairs. Maybe his mother had come into his room, but he was sure he stayed in his bed and pretended to sleep. He was concerned while he pretended, he said. Burke told Schuler he was awake when his mother made the phone call. His parents might have thought he was asleep but he wasn't he said. When he was asked if he spoke to his parents that morning before being awaken at seven to be taken to the Whites' house, he said no. He said he had stayed in his room the whole time