The Whites seek the release of the Ramsey indictment in its entirety

[elannia]

Ok first off im not accusing FW. I said I wandered why he hasnt told his side of the story after all this time. Probably risk of being sued I guess but that is what I was implying. Sorry if I OFFENDED you. Just curious cause he was there that day and I wanted to know his timeline of events from his party on the 25th and so on.

 

[reedus23]

Also not trying to offend anyone here advancing theories, but it seems appropriate to mention Tricia's admonition: Now, I want to also stress that we don't allow people to come on Websleuths and start accusing innocent people. So far the only people to be indicted by the GJ are the Ramseys.

Santa didn't do it, Fleet White didn't do it and so on. I will not allow the naming of innocent people as suspects.

I’m not sure why people are questioning FW’s motives anyway. He testified at the GJ and finds out last year that the GJ did vote. His desire is likely two-fold, clearing his family name and attempting to retrieve as much truth about the events, to bring about some sense of justice for JonBenet, a little girl who was his daughter’s best friend. In the past FW has let some folks know that he will only speak at a court case. Since that’s not too likely, he may now be motivated towards other actions.

BTW, AH reputation is not all that great. So does past behavior predict his character? I won’t answer that one. There are others to respond to that, notably one of the GJ members who said she wanted to vote for an indictment in the Sid Wells case, but AH wouldn’t let them vote. Or one could ask Sid Wells mother herself, her opinion of AH. BPD has a warrant out for the suspect in the Wells murder and Garnett is ready to go should they locate him. In fact one of the things Garnett has done is gone after a lot of the cold cases remaining from the AH and ML era. According to an article in the Daily Camera from 3 years ago, he has gone after prosecutions in six cold cases. And this:
In cases from the 1980s and 1990s, the person charged with the crime -- or for whom an arrest warrant has been issued -- is the same one investigators suspected at the time of the killing and much of the evidence cited in arrest warrants was available to police and prosecutors at the time, raising questions about why charges weren't filed then.

Simply process that info as you will. AH did have business relationships with attorneys from the other side, but there’s no smoking gun about anything nefarious in AH’s behavior. There are plenty of questions as to how he was handling the difficult cases. A Denver prosecuting attorney put it more simply. He called AH “the weakest” DA in all of Colorado.

MHO

Thanks for the warning about the Ramsey's being the only ones people can discuss as possible suspects. (though I am curious to know if that is true and if so why there is an entire thread devoted to Burke who I don't believe has ever had anything handed down with regard to his involvement) Just to be clear, though, I wasn't discussing FW in the context of being a suspect. I was speaking of his actions being bizarre. His actions being bizarre(or out of the norm if one is more comfortable with that) does not equate to being involved in anything else.

 

[reedus23]

As frustrated as we get on the sidelines trying to find out what happened to JBR, imagine how frustrated people who cared about JBR are. Were I the Whites, IMO, I would be doing everything I thought could be done to get the rest of the GJ findings released.

I can't imagine the frustration. And, assuming for one second, that the Ramsey's might just be innocent, I truly cannot imagine the frustration and hurt that has gone on. Before I get crucified for that, I did NOT say they are innocent, but rather my statement implies that I have no idea who is responsible, including the Ramsey's or any of the other multitude of people [modsnip].

 

[elannia]

Thanks for the warning about the Ramsey's being the only ones people can discuss as possible suspects. (though I am curious to know if that is true and if so why there is an entire thread devoted to Burke who I don't believe has ever had anything handed down with regard to his involvement) Just to be clear, though, I wasn't discussing FW in the context of being a suspect. I was speaking of his actions being bizarre. His actions being bizarre(or out of the norm if one is more comfortable with that) does not equate to being involved in anything else.

Exactly my point. I thought thats why people were here... to discuss their theories and who they think did it. so we arent allowed to talk bad about FW. Well we werent right. He is doing so much to get this out in the open I was just wanting to know what his share was of what happened that morning and after. MOO

 

[elannia]

I can't imagine the frustration. And, assuming for one second, that the Ramsey's might just be innocent, I truly cannot imagine the frustration and hurt that has gone on. Before I get crucified for that, I did NOT say they are innocent, but rather my statement implies that I have no idea who is responsible, including the Ramsey's or any of the other multitude of people [modsnip].

Lol... you crack me up

 

[reedus23]

Ok first off im not accusing FW. I said I wandered why he hasnt told his side of the story after all this time. Probably risk of being sued I guess but that is what I was implying. Sorry if I OFFENDED you. Just curious cause he was there that day and I wanted to know his timeline of events from his party on the 25th and so on.

Oh, I got what you're saying. You didn't accuse anyone of anything. Wanting to hear his version of events is only natural and truly is needed, along with a ton of other information, in order to fully form a opinion.

 

[elannia]

Oh, I got what you're saying. You didn't accuse anyone of anything. Wanting to hear his version of events is only natural and truly is needed, along with a ton of other information, in order to fully form a opinion.

Yes. But that post wasnt directed towards you. Someone had replies and that was my reply back

 

[elannia]

Yes. But that post wasnt directed towards you. Someone had replies and that was my reply back

And in all honestly I dont feel comfortable talking about the R's on here either. No one knows what happened that night except for JB and her killer(s) I fell bad for even posting about anything at all directed at anyone who Could have been involved.

 

[Tawny]

The R's were indicted by the Grand Jury. There is no reason not to discuss them and their possible involvement. JMO.

 

[reedus23]

The R's were indicted by the Grand Jury. There is no reason not to discuss them and their possible involvement. JMO.

[modsnip]

 

[Mama2JML]

Thanks for the warning about the Ramsey's being the only ones people can discuss as possible suspects. (though I am curious to know if that is true and if so why there is an entire thread devoted to Burke who I don't believe has ever had anything handed down with regard to his involvement) Just to be clear, though, I wasn't discussing FW in the context of being a suspect. I was speaking of his actions being bizarre. His actions being bizarre(or out of the norm if one is more comfortable with that) does not equate to being involved in anything else.

Puzzling, isn't it?...

 

[otg]

Just a polite reminder for the benefit of anyone who might not read the sticky notices at the top...

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?59012-Tricia-Will-Be-Moderating-Along-With-JBRMod2

(emphasis mine)

Hi Kids,

Mom will be moderating the JBR forum for a while. I need to jump back in and get things shakin' again.

Remember, sometimes the rules are a bit different for this forum. Why? Because I know this case like the back of my hand and I pay the bills. Don't mean to sound so snitty but it's true.

No Fleet White did it stuff. No naming of innocent people as suspects.

The only true suspects in the case are John, Patsy and Burke.

If you have an "Intruder Did It" theory then you have to be able to acutally have evidence of this "intruder." No bashing of people formally in the Ramsey's circle of friends.

Now, if you want to talk about Fleet White fine. Just don't say or suggest, or even hint that he had anything to do with this crime. He and his family did not. They have been cleared and I won't allow his name to be dragged through the mud on WS.

Like I said, it's a bit different on this forum. Don't be afraid, I am not into banning people.

Ok, have fun.
Tricia

 

[elannia]

Just a polite reminder for the benefit of anyone who might not read the sticky notices at the top...

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?59012-Tricia-Will-Be-Moderating-Along-With-JBRMod2

(emphasis mine)

I dont recall anyone bashing on FW. I certainly didnt just asked why he cant come out and say his side of the story what happened. And I think others meant that too. Itvwoukd be nice to gear from him everything that happened

 

[otg]

I dont recall anyone bashing on FW. I certainly didnt just asked why he cant come out and say his side of the story what happened. And I think others meant that too. Itvwoukd be nice to gear from him everything that happened

Elannia (beautiful hat, BTW), my post wasn't directed at you, or anyone else in particular -- nor was it directed at anything someone might have done. I simply wanted some of the newer posters to understand the position of the mods/owners/management here. It may not make sense to some, but it is a private forum where we are allowed to post our opinions as long as they are within the guidelines they set. If we don't like their rules, we don't have to be here. But generally, they put up with a lot before they feel they have to step in and say something.

As for your opinion that it would be nice to hear from the Whites about what they know, what they think, etc.... I agree. We'd all love to have them talk openly about what they think. (And there... we didn't break the rulez! :giggle: )

 

[Tawny]

I'm hoping they someday speak openly as well. I feel there must be some big reason that they don't as of yet. Not sure what that might be though.

 

[elannia]

Elannia (beautiful hat, BTW), my post wasn't directed at you, or anyone else in particular -- nor was it directed at anything someone might have done. I simply wanted some of the newer posters to understand the position of the mods/owners/management here. It may not make sense to some, but it is a private forum where we are allowed to post our opinions as long as they are within the guidelines they set. If we don't like their rules, we don't have to be here. But generally, they put up with a lot before they feel they have to step in and say something.

As for your opinion that it would be nice to hear from the Whites about what they know, what they think, etc.... I agree. We'd all love to have them talk openly about what they think. (And there... we didn't break the rulez! :giggle: )

Thank you I just wanted to come out and say that I strongly believe RDI but like everyone else searches through the forums and come across other theories. I know you werent directing that at me I just thought I was being jumped on for I didnt know FW was not to be discussed... I just wonder (like I had said before) I (along with everyone else) would like to hear his side. Someone had posted maybe he cant share his story right now?

 

[Mama2JML]

BBM

My understanding is that they want the release of the documents as a means of further "clearing them," as they were accused of being involved by the Rs as well as when Hunter bought into the whole Nancy Crebbs debacle.

The judge appears to view FWs repeated attempts to get this info out as frivolous, and if he had been represented by a lawyer, the lawyer might have been sanctioned (not sure of the right word to use).

IMO it's one thing for the judge to deny his request, but the rest of the ruling is unfair. IMO they have every right to get to the bottom of things as their reputations were unfairly dragged through the mud.

I've come to believe that the Rs went with the "all the doors were locked" scenario b/c they wanted to make it appear it was someone with a key. It seemed as if The housekeeper's name was thrown before the cops even finished asking the question. I also wouldn't be surprised if the Rs stated the Whites had a key as well.

If I remember correctly they originally named, in addition to the housekeeper of course, the White's, the Barnhills and Patsy's Mother. However the list soon grew dramatically. Some might even say conveniently.

I am not sure when or how the BPD's list was compiled, but I doubt the Ramseys were alone in the task. IIRC, many names on the list were self-reported. An article, printed 12.28.96, in Boulder's Daily Camera provided the public some insight regarding a potential list of "insiders" with Ramsey house keys, reportedly courtesy of Barnhill:

"Many people may have had keys to the house, including caterers, a house cleaner, gardeners and landscapers, said Joe Barnhill, who lives across the street and takes care of JonBenet's dog, Jacque."​

Source: http://web.dailycamera.com/extra/ramsey/1996/12/28-1.html

 

[cynic]

Fleet and Priscilla have filed a motion to have the case turned over to a different judge.
The reason revolves around the affiliation between Judge Hartman and Mimi Wesson who was heavily involved in the Brennan v Garnett case. Interestingly, in that litigation Judge Hartman recused himself and the matter was turned over to Judge Lowenbach who ultimately ruled and concluded the case.
See the attachment.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I dont recall anyone bashing on FW. I certainly didnt just asked why he cant come out and say his side of the story what happened. And I think others meant that too. Itvwoukd be nice to gear from him everything that happened

It is odd right? I mean if you want people to know why not just tell them your side of the story?
I personally think this whole thing is a waste of time. HE is not a suspect, His family are not suspects. I just don't see the reason for all this.

 

[Chelly]

I'm hoping they someday speak openly as well. I feel there must be some big reason that they don't as of yet. Not sure what that might be though.

I wonder if their silence is a courtesy to BR?