Theories about Ron's breaks and werk schedule

[Maven2379]

One question in reference to Ron C's work schedule that night..
Somewhere around here I read something about LE drilling RonC about WHY it took him so long to get home that night... Anyone other than me remember reading this this?


And I don't know what time he high tailed it in to work after the incident or what time he left, but I do know he did not tell 911 dispatch the truth when he claimed he just got off work and he didn't know what had happened to his daughter..JMO

He told that to Cobra in one of those tapes.

 

[dodie20]

What a good point you make!

Instead of Ron's same old excuse--"I wasn't home, I was at werk",
A different kind of father might cry out ---
If only I had been home I could have saved my little girl!!!

yeah, a different kind of father might blame himself for leaving his kids with an incompetent, but as long as he's got his alibi, all's good.

 

[debs]

One question in reference to Ron C's work schedule that night..
Somewhere around here I read something about LE drilling RonC about WHY it took him so long to get home that night... Anyone other than me remember reading this this?


And I don't know what time he high tailed it in to work after the incident or what time he left, but I do know he did not tell 911 dispatch the truth when he claimed he just got off work and he didn't know what had happened to his daughter..JMO

How do you know that?

If he got off at 3:00 am and then stopped by the convenience store and got cigs, beer and peanuts then goes on home and finds Haleigh missing and questions Misty about what happened then 911 call comes in by 3:26 am. how is that not telling the truth.

For certain he couldn't have gotten off at 3:00 am.....stopped at the convenience store........came home killed Haligh.......staged the scene.......got the script together........drive 5 miles one way to dispose of her body and then came all the way back and call 911 in 26 minutes.

IMO

I brought Eme's post to address yours, OBE: Ronald Cummings did not go directly home. He stopped at the convenience store. As you say, the guy was just telling how he discovered her missing. If he was so intent in detailing his time, he left out a significant amount of it by omitting his stop at the store, because as we all know, every minute counts.

 

[Emeralgem]

He told that to Cobra in one of those tapes.

Thanks Maven.. I knew I read that or heard that... So LE was giving him HELL-O about WHY it took him so long to get home...Guess they just might know he left early...Imagine that..JMO
Is it possible for you to direct me to the Cobra tapes, or tell me what site it was posted on..Was it BNN?

 

[dodie20]

One question in reference to Ron C's work schedule that night..
Somewhere around here I read something about LE drilling RonC about WHY it took him so long to get home that night... Anyone other than me remember reading this this?


And I don't know what time he high tailed it in to work after the incident or what time he left, but I do know he did not tell 911 dispatch the truth when he claimed he just got off work and he didn't know what had happened to his daughter..JMO

well, I did read in the new quote thread, (from concerned papa), where Ron said that he went to work & came home 8 (read that), EIGHT hours later. so, if he went to work when he claimed, he would've gotten off a lot earlier. or if he got home when he claimed, he went to work a lot later.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I brought Eme's post to address yours, OBE: Ronald Cummings did not go directly home. He stopped at the convenience store. As you say, the guy was just telling how he discovered her missing. If he was so intent in detailing his time, he left out a significant amount of it by omitting his stop at the store, because as we all know, every minute counts.

I am still not sure what you mean.

Since we know he stopped off at a convenience store and even what he purchased LE has this information as well. Probably way before we learned off it. Why would he tell the 911 operator about stopping at the store. That had nothing to do with him coming home from work and finding his daughter missing.

IMO

 

[Emeralgem]

OBE...You asked....How do you know that?


What are you referring to may I ask?

 

[debs]

I am still not sure what you mean.

Since we know he stopped off at a convenience store and even what he purchased LE has this information as well. Probably way before we learned off it. Why would he tell the 911 operator about stopping at the store. That had nothing to do with him coming home from work and finding his daughter missing.

IMO

In your assertion, Ron came home from work and discovered his daughter missing. That's incorrect: Ron had left work and had gone to a convenience store and purchased 3 specific items (beer, peanuts, and cigarettes), and then came home. If his intention was to rattle off what he'd been doing when he discovered his child missing, he excluded the part about stopping at the store. He was not totally honest. In fact, it wasn't until quite some time later we discovered he'd stopped at all.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

If the topic here is theories about Ron's break and work schedule, my theory is that LE knows when he was at work. And I think the 911 call supports that he has come home and found his daughter missing. Let's compare what Misty says and what Ron says, via statement analysis.

• Misty Croslin: “Hi…umm…I just woke up…and our backdoor was wide open and I think…and I can’t find our daughter”
  
• Misty Croslin: “Um, we like just, you know…it was about 10 o’clock- she was sleeping- I was cleaning…
  
• Misty Croslin: “yes- it was bricked- there was a brick on the floor…when I was asleep it was not like that.”
  
• 911: “about how tall or how much she weigh?”
  Misty Croslin: “24 sounds about right- I don’t know- she’s not that tall….”
  
• 911: “what is a brick?”
  Misty Croslin: “it’s almost like– on the stairs- we have a walkway…”

The pattern is clear.
Not one straightforward, syntactically clear statement. "We just like, you know." "It's almost like--on the stairs--we have a walkway...". There is really not one coherent sentence in this list. And we know from hearing the tape that she was far from hysterical or distraught. She's just not telling the truth about any of it.

Lots of alibi-making because she is inserting information that 911 doesn't need and is not germane to asking for police response. "We just like, you know, it was about 10 o'clock--she was sleeping, I was cleaning." "When I was asleep it wasn't that way." (How would she know?) There's someone telling a rehearsed story. She literally can't fit the story into the 911 operator's questions. She's telling the alibi.

The first statement is the most telling: “Hi…umm…I just woke up…and our backdoor was wide open and I think…and I can’t find our daughter." Now, the order of this is understandable, if not optimal. But what is missing is the connective tissue. She might be telling the story in the order it happened: wake up, find the backdoor open, can't find the child. But what is "I think" doing in there? She thinks she can't find "our daughter"? She thinks the open door is linked to the missing child? Here is one of those syntax breaks that indicates possible deception. What is she starting to say that she has to stop? The sentence that she can't finish? She can't say "I think" the child has been kidnapped or someone came in and stole the child because that is not part of her story. Her story is that she just woke up and presto, the door is open and Haleigh is missing. She has no idea where she is. But the break in the sentence indicates that there is something that she isn't saying.

Now, here is the early part of Ron's part of the 911 call.

• 911: "OK, let me speak to him..."
  Ronald Cummings: "I just got home from work, my five-year-old daughter is gone- I need someone here now."
  
• 911: "OK, listen to me...listen to me...we've got two officers..."
  Ronald Cummings: "if I find whoever has my daughter before you all do, I'm killing them...I don't care- I will spend the rest of my life in prison....you can put that on the recording...I don't care."
  
• 911: "It's OK sir, we've got them on the way...ok- can you give me...what kind of description of pajamas was she wearing? "
  Ronald Cummings: "I don't f%$ know!"

The pattern: Clear sentences. No extraneous information. The part about "I just got home from work" is important information because it tells the 911 operator that he wasn't home and has just found her missing. It anticipates the question, "When did you find her missing?" in a straightforward way. And he asks for help: "I need someone here now." Clear, perfect syntax, no breaks or interruptions. Every single sentence letter perfect syntax, including "I don't **** know." Even his rant (which would be one place to look for deception) is rendered in perfect syntax, including complex sentence structure.
Contrast his response for a description of the pajamas with Misty's response to what Haleigh was wearing:

"She was in her pajamas- she was sleeping..."

She moves straight from the answer to the "story." Ron? Just answers the question.

Now, it isn't hard to see that these two people's "statements" are radically different in terms of the things that statement analysts look at. That doesn't mean that RC's story is true. But seen in contrast to Misty's statements--which we know are lies--RC is clear, coherent, straightforward and highly emotional. And if the "RC killed her before he went to work or on his break" theories are true, he would have had hours to stew over a story, rehearse it and thus stumble into the same linguistic traps that Misty does. Because when people lie, their brains often have to scramble to get the words out.

My favorite statement analysis site, for those who might want to see other liars do their lying thing: http://www.statementanalysis.com/lying/

 

[pittsburghgirl]

In your assertion, Ron came home from work and discovered his daughter missing. That's incorrect: Ron had left work and had gone to a convenience store and purchased 3 specific items (beer, peanuts, and cigarettes), and then came home. If his intention was to rattle off what he'd been doing when he discovered his child missing, he excluded the part about stopping at the store. He was not totally honest. In fact, it wasn't until quite some time later we discovered he'd stopped at all.

If he HAD included the convenience store stop, he would have been giving extraneous information. He wasn't being questioned by police, in which case he would have been asked to account for the time after he left work. He was calling 911 to ask for help. The only germane information is that he got home and his daughter was missing. That he didn't add the extra information actually indicates he was telling the truth and not just telling a rehearsed story.

The fact that he stopped at the convenience store no doubt came out in police questioning during the initial days of the search for Haleigh, because RC would have been the first person to look at in the case, followed by Misty (because she was there) and then other relatives, neighbors, etc. Notice that Misty (whom we know was lying) DOES add the extraneous information.

http://www.statementanalysis.com/lying/

 

[nomoresorrow]

PDM Bridge LLC, Palatka, FL - Shift ends at 3:00 a.m
To
Kangaroo Express, 1171 U.S. 17, Satsuma, FL = 15.2 mi/about 22 mins
To
202 Green Lane, Satsuma, FL = 2.3 mi – about 6 mins
Total Time = 28 Minutes

*This does not allow for any access time, such as the time it would have taken Ronald to walk to his vehicle after punching out and getting out of the parking lot at PDM (considering that other employees were getting out of work also), nor does it allow any time for Ronald to have actually gone into the Kangaroo Express to buy his beer, cigs, and peanuts.

THE CALL CAME INTO 911 AT 3:27 A.M

 

[nomoresorrow]

I'd also like to add to my post above that this also does not allow for any time WHATSOEVER for Ronald to search inside/outside the home, confirming that HaLeigh was gone...

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

How is it that Ron was able to answer questions directed at Misty, when he was not there? We've seen in a few videos where Ron seemed to know more about things regarding Haleigh disappearance than Misty did. How is this possible, when he claims he was at WORK?? But when he is asked directly about Haleigh's disappearance, he say's "I was at work" and nothing more. Huge red flag to me.

The same way that TN "knew" that Ronald and Misty always slept with the bedroom door open in the mobile home

How often did TN spend the night in the mh to know this? Did she ever spend the night with Ronald and his children in the mh? It would seem to me that, if another adult - especially my mother - spent the night in my home as I bedded my "girlfriend", the bedroom door would be closed. If grandma was there, what reason would there be for the children to sleep in the same bed/bedroom with my girlfriend and me? Wouldn't grandma want to be with her grandchildren and have them close to her while daddy and his girlfriend were together in the bedroom?

I don't know about anyone else, but the proclamation by TN that she knew that the bedroom door was always open baffles me no end :banghead: It seems that RC and his mother believe that they're smarter than the rest of the world and "know" things even when they're not there.

 

[nomoresorrow]

According to my calculations, in order for Ronald to have arrived home by 3:27 a.m., he would have had to have traveled at 70 mph the entire route. This would still only allow 6 1/2 minutes for him to walk to his vehicle, get out of the PDM parking lot, go to the Kangaroo Express, purchase his beer, cigs, and peanuts, and get home.

 

[Wendy101]

If the topic here is theories about Ron's break and work schedule, my theory is that LE knows when he was at work. And I think the 911 call supports that he has come home and found his daughter missing. Let's compare what Misty says and what Ron says, via statement analysis.



The pattern is clear.
Not one straightforward, syntactically clear statement. "We just like, you know." "It's almost like--on the stairs--we have a walkway...". There is really not one coherent sentence in this list. And we know from hearing the tape that she was far from hysterical or distraught. She's just not telling the truth about any of it.

Lots of alibi-making because she is inserting information that 911 doesn't need and is not germane to asking for police response. "We just like, you know, it was about 10 o'clock--she was sleeping, I was cleaning." "When I was asleep it wasn't that way." (How would she know?) There's someone telling a rehearsed story. She literally can't fit the story into the 911 operator's questions. She's telling the alibi.

The first statement is the most telling: “Hi…umm…I just woke up…and our backdoor was wide open and I think…and I can’t find our daughter." Now, the order of this is understandable, if not optimal. But what is missing is the connective tissue. She might be telling the story in the order it happened: wake up, find the backdoor open, can't find the child. But what is "I think" doing in there? She thinks she can't find "our daughter"? She thinks the open door is linked to the missing child? Here is one of those syntax breaks that indicates possible deception. What is she starting to say that she has to stop? The sentence that she can't finish? She can't say "I think" the child has been kidnapped or someone came in and stole the child because that is not part of her story. Her story is that she just woke up and presto, the door is open and Haleigh is missing. She has no idea where she is. But the break in the sentence indicates that there is something that she isn't saying.

Now, here is the early part of Ron's part of the 911 call.



The pattern: Clear sentences. No extraneous information. The part about "I just got home from work" is important information because it tells the 911 operator that he wasn't home and has just found her missing. It anticipates the question, "When did you find her missing?" in a straightforward way. And he asks for help: "I need someone here now." Clear, perfect syntax, no breaks or interruptions. Every single sentence letter perfect syntax, including "I don't **** know." Contrast his response for a description of the pajamas with Misty's response to what Haleigh was wearing:

She moves straight from the answer to the "story." Ron? Just answers the question.

Now, it isn't hard to see that these two people's "statements" are radically different in terms of the things that statement analysts look at. That doesn't mean that RC's story is true. But seen in contrast to Misty's statements--which we know are lies--RC is clear, coherent, straightforward and highly emotional. And if the "RC killed her before he went to work or on his break" theories are true, he would have had hours to stew over a story, rehearse it and thus stumble into the same linguistic traps that Misty does. Because when people lie, their brains often have to scramble to get the words out.

My favorite statement analysis site, for those who might want to see other liars do their lying thing: http://www.statementanalysis.com/lying/

Thank you. I have such a hard time getting my thoughts down properly in writing... your post helped me out a bit


Where you see a negative reaction from Misty, I see that as positive..

In my theory regarding Misty's involvement placing the 911 call is that she was caught off guard, she had no clue, she had no script to follow at that particular time in the HaLeigh case. At that time, I think Misty was in shock, stunned or whatever you want to call it... panicked.
Don't get me wrong, I do not think Misty is innocent, I believe she is involed in the cover up, BIG time!

Where you see the positve in Ronalds 911 statements, I see the negative side of Ronald.
Again, as with Misty, I so see positive in Ronald.
I see beautiful photos of HaLeigh and Ronald and no one can tell me the smile on that lil girls face is not real.. she beams in most of them, actually, so does he.
I am just right now reading on the thread below about HaLeighs trips to the ER, and looking at pics of brusing and there about Jr's nose and statements from Ronald regarding that. IMHO it is very disturbing.

Again, thanks for your post.

 

[kamky]

It does seem that Ron used that statement whenever he was asked questions he didn't want to answer. I, like many others, just do not understand why we cannot get some straight answers as to what hours his shift was, whether he can be accounted for the whole shift plus the 3 hours of overtime he supposedly worked, and why LE won't say whether he is a suspect or not.
I also would like to know where Art Harris and Nancy Grace get their information that he has been cleared and is not a suspect, because I've never heard anyone in LE make that statement... not even close. Saying they are satisfied with the hours he worked could mean anything. We need to know what those hours were.

bbm

Another way to look at this is that Ron used that statement whenever he was asked questions he couldn't answer. Why? Because he wasn't there. I always wonder if there would be as much attention to his statement if he had simply said "I wasn't here."

I, too, would like to know why LE has refused to say that the parents are cleared instead of the more wishy-washy statement that they are not suspects. We can only assume that the reason is that they didn't want to narrow down the list of possible suspects one iota, so as to allow those responsible plenty of latitude to do or say something dumb. I hope that this has happened and given the prosecution lots of ammunition.

 

[Dee10]

How do you know that?

If he got off at 3:00 am and then stopped by the convenience store and got cigs, beer and peanuts then goes on home and finds Haleigh missing and questions Misty about what happened then 911 call comes in by 3:26 am. how is that not telling the truth.

For certain he couldn't have gotten off at 3:00 am.....stopped at the convenience store........came home killed Haligh.......staged the scene.......got the script together........drive 5 miles one way to dispose of her body and then came all the way back and call 911 in 26 minutes.

IMO

BBM that is a good point, but also a problem because we don't know what time "officially" he got off work, even Shoey hasn't confirmed that. Getting off at 3:00 has not been confirmed except by Ron. Question, why hasn't LE or Shoemaker confirmed hours...seems pretty simple, yet this hasn't been done.

 

[Dee10]

I guess MUM's the word on the work hours. I wonder why?:waitasec:

Thank you Zaha - After all this time & hoopla...it says it ALL to me. Ron you are not cleared :dance:

 

[kamky]

I guess MUM's the word on the work hours. I wonder why?:waitasec:

LE has not wanted to put ANY of their cards on the table. If you think about it, they have revealed almost nothing other that things which were unavoidably obvious or by mistake. They even tried to sneak in the search of the pond at the Mondex. This is their strategy whether we like it or not, unless they put something out because they have an ulterior motive.

 

[kamky]

How is it that Ron was able to answer questions directed at Misty, when he was not there? We've seen in a few videos where Ron seemed to know more about things regarding Haleigh disappearance than Misty did. How is this possible, when he claims he was at WORK?? But when he is asked directly about Haleigh's disappearance, he say's "I was at work" and nothing more. Huge red flag to me.

I assume he grilled Misty for details after he got home and was informed his child had disappeared out of the home. (As anyone would have in this situation.) He would have been able to repeat what she told him when asked. Unfortunately for him, he only knew the story she told him at that time and, as we all know, the details of her story has since changed many times.