Theories On What Happened to Caylee Part #1

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I don't believe the premeditated murder theory. I don't think Casey actually had any motive to want to "get rid of" Caylee. All reports from friends/acquaintances/family indicate a normal, affectionate, caring relationship and decent care. And if Casey wanted to be "free to party" as the TV media have continually alleged, Casey could simply leave Caylee with her parents, she had no reason to "get rid of" her. For the same reasons, I don't think Casey would have had any reason to leave Caylee in a car while she partied or slept with a boyfriend or anything like that. For example, when Casey was staying at RM's with him, Caylee slept there also, she was not left in a car. If it came down to considering leaving Caylee in a car, I believe Casey would simply have dropped Caylee off at her parents' house before she would ever do that. That said, I think it's still a possibility that at times Casey and Caylee could actually have both stayed in the car, if friends' apartments were not available.

Casey had shared in the care of Caylee for 3 years while living at her parents' home, and no harm had come to Caylee during that time.

So what changed that could have led to the disappearance? When Casey moved out (most likely because her parents were pressuring her to do so), and took Caylee with her, both Casey and Caylee had to stay at friends' apartments because Casey didn't have the means to get a place of her own. Not only did both of those apartments (at least 2 apartments) have a few different people living in them, there were also those peoples' friends and acquaintances coming and going. When Casey was working for Tony at the club at night, or doing other work which hasn't been identified yet, or socializing, Casey didn't have money to pay a sitter, so she probably depended on various friends and acquaintances to watch Caylee. Due to Casey's age and lack of money and generally dependent and desperate circumstances, she may have been too trustful of someone. She may simply have the kind of personality that was too trustful or too disorganized in her thinking, and may therefore have become an easy target. I think the fact that Casey and Caylee were suddenly spending a lot of time at and staying at places with lots of people coming and going could be an important key to Caylee's disappearance. I hope the police have done forensics at the apartments involved and all the people's cars who stayed there or frequented those apartments, simply as a formality. Including the acquaintances of Casey's who did live at the Sawgrass apts.

I am still hoping that Casey had a friend take Caylee somewhere with them, or that a babysitter-acquaintance did take Caylee more or less in the way Casey described, or that someone Casey knows is holding Caylee for some other reason, for example, to keep her or Casey silent about another crime, and that Caylee is alive. I think Casey might have been trying to lead the police to the general location and crowd but without telling them the exact apartment number for fear of retribution of some kind. My opinion only. If someone in Caylee and Casey's life in the last weeks took advantage of Casey to get to Caylee, or took advantage of one of the young people who was watching Caylee, I fear Caylee could be deceased. Or it's possible that someone entrusted with the care of the child could have been intoxicated or had an anger problem and lost their temper with Caylee.

Or, an accident could have occurred during someone's watch, whether Casey's or a friend's. Again, my opinion only. Obviously most or all of these people are completely innocent, but all should be investigated, and forensics should definitely have been done in the apartments where Caylee had been, and people's cars, because it only takes one. Innocent people would be perfectly happy for this to be done. If the authorities did not do this and are not doing this, I am pretty shocked. Evidence could obviously disappear quickly.

From the statements given to police no one helped her with Caylee and most prefered not to have her around. This reads to me like Casey wanted Tony enough to get rid of Caylee when she was around him. They bluntly told her that apartment was not a place for Caylee and she had to make other arrangements. That I believe is the key here.

Her parents put her on the road - she had no where to go. I believe she had worn out her welcome with all her friends and they most likely were sleeping in the car. Caylee was crying and wanting her grandmother and Casey lost it. Pure and simple. The rest is just speculation how it was covered up, but she was smart enough to get some time between her and the event so LE had a cold trail on finding Caylee.
 
I still don't know whether Casey was totally unemployed. We know that she was at the club a lot, involved in Tony's promotions there. Maybe not a paid job but still... I've also wondered whether there was other work that has not been made public yet. No telling. But even a 23 year old without a job might occasionally go out with friends and need a sitter. For example I think there was a discussion on one thread that Casey and AH had discussed how if they lived together one of them would be available during the day for Caylee and one during the night, because of their different schedules. Not sure if I am quoting that accurately or the source.

I would like to see that source. I have not heard that and if that is true it disproves ALL the stories about the nanny. If she had a nanny why would she need AH to keep Caylee. If that story is out there I believe it most likely is either another one of Casey's lies or her parents many lies.

I can't see AH wanting to keep Caylee. These are young responsible adults with the exception of Casey and all seemed to have a real life. Casey seemed to be the only leech in the group. All the others were in school, working or both and she just sponged off of their kindness. I believe by the time she was thrown out of the house, she had pretty well worn out all of her friends (from their statements) and if she could not move in with Tony she was done. Then him, and his roommates told her that Caylee could not be there - that I believe is the key to all of this.
 
Several times in t.v. news the question of prior child neglect or abuse came up and it was reported that there had never been any cause for investigation in the past.

There is no way the could know that. Those records are sealed and the interesting thing to me is BOTH child abuse and molestation detectives are involved in this case.
 
theory that might explain chloroform:

I had a thought last night and just got around to looking into this. Pardon me while I rattle off a theory:

casey first took Caylee to a swampy area hoping that an alligator would take her. she put her in the water a bit and went to her car and watched, waited. no alligator. she is afraid of getting caught she has been there too long (stay with me) she has to wade into the water to retrieve caylee (hence the need for that shower at JG's) and puts her back in the trunk. caylee is covered with algae and every other kind of ick you would find in a swamp. then after settling on another resting place...she is off to clean the car. There are alot of cleaners that contain chlorine, and when algae and chlorine mix, the algae produces chloroform. I have been to a few sites to get this info and one stated that "marine algae produce chloroform as a defense
against predation" . I googled algae chloroform to get alot of info. Also, as a side note, if she retrieved Caylee from a swampy palce or even waded in the water to leave her, it is also interesting that chlororform is often an industrial byproduct and would be found in factory waste, like those um, recess pnds or, I can't think of it right now. You know what I am taking about. I have a reallllly strong feeling about this algae stuff. They say it doesn't take much chloroform to kill, and with the amount of saturation they say the car had, it doesn't make sense.
 
I am sure he Orlando area has water testing people that routinely test all of the ponds etc for levels of contamination. It would be nice to find out which ones have an extremely high amount of chloroform.
 
From the statements given to police no one helped her with Caylee and most prefered not to have her around. This reads to me like Casey wanted Tony enough to get rid of Caylee when she was around him. They bluntly told her that apartment was not a place for Caylee and she had to make other arrangements. That I believe is the key here.

Her parents put her on the road - she had no where to go. I believe she had worn out her welcome with all her friends and they most likely were sleeping in the car. Caylee was crying and wanting her grandmother and Casey lost it. Pure and simple. The rest is just speculation how it was covered up, but she was smart enough to get some time between her and the event so LE had a cold trail on finding Caylee.

If she really wanted Tony more than Caylee and was being forced to choose, I think she would have just returned Caylee to her parents.
 
I just had a thought....I know, I know but whatever.

Kids name things names that are familiar or that sometimes give them comfort. Maybe the doll was named "mama" because when Casey was going to go out and leave Caylee all alone whereever she would leave her, she would hand her the doll and tell her that the doll named "mama" would be with her so she didn't have to be afraid or alone.

I know this might sound weird but I think that it is more than possible. I can remember putting my kids down for bed when they were little and going through an "I'm scared to stay in my room by myself phase" and giving them their favorite stuffed animal or doll to keep them company. One of my kids was always terrified to stay in his room alone at night (I think he is psychic) and we had a stuffed bear that was over 3 feet tall that would stand guard over his bed at night so that he could sleep.
 
If she really wanted Tony more than Caylee and was being forced to choose, I think she would have just returned Caylee to her parents.

No way. Not with the relationship they had. Casey was not only going to get her way with Tony but this served a dual purpose..........she could get back at her mother too.

She hated her mother - that is obvious and had a long time hatred for her father. I believe the only relationship in that family was between her and Lee.
 
theory that might explain chloroform:

I had a thought last night and just got around to looking into this. Pardon me while I rattle off a theory:

casey first took Caylee to a swampy area hoping that an alligator would take her. she put her in the water a bit and went to her car and watched, waited. no alligator. she is afraid of getting caught she has been there too long (stay with me) she has to wade into the water to retrieve caylee (hence the need for that shower at JG's) and puts her back in the trunk. caylee is covered with algae and every other kind of ick you would find in a swamp. then after settling on another resting place...she is off to clean the car. There are alot of cleaners that contain chlorine, and when algae and chlorine mix, the algae produces chloroform. I have been to a few sites to get this info and one stated that "marine algae produce chloroform as a defense
against predation" . I googled algae chloroform to get alot of info. Also, as a side note, if she retrieved Caylee from a swampy palce or even waded in the water to leave her, it is also interesting that chlororform is often an industrial byproduct and would be found in factory waste, like those um, recess pnds or, I can't think of it right now. You know what I am taking about. I have a reallllly strong feeling about this algae stuff. They say it doesn't take much chloroform to kill, and with the amount of saturation they say the car had, it doesn't make sense.

I also read that some spot removers contain chloroform and I am not sure how the searches for cholorform mesh with this case but I have wondered if spot remover was used on the spot in the trunk before the police picked up the car. I know that George was fairly sure that the test of the spot would come back inconclusive (that is the word that he used).

I am not sure that the chloroform has anything to do with Caylee's death other than to try to cover it up and I think that this part of the coverup was performed by George when he cleaned the trunk before turning the car over to LE.
 
I am sure he Orlando area has water testing people that routinely test all of the ponds etc for levels of contamination. It would be nice to find out which ones have an extremely high amount of chloroform.

Well that is an interesting thought.............but did she put the body in the water and then put it back in the trunk?
 
I also read that some spot removers contain chloroform and I am not sure how the searches for cholorform mesh with this case but I have wondered if spot remover was used on the spot in the trunk before the police picked up the car. I know that George was fairly sure that the test of the spot would come back inconclusive (that is the word that he used).

I am not sure that the chloroform has anything to do with Caylee's death other than to try to cover it up and I think that this part of the coverup was performed by George when he cleaned the trunk before turning the car over to LE.

I think you may be right there............the way to know would be the date she was looking up the way to use it on the computer.
 
You all might want to read some of the theories under the thread:Ok, she does/did drugs, allegedly...

If you enlarge the pictures of her face and shoulders you will see lesions which are indicitive of drug use.
 
I found this on a stain cleaning site and thought it was interesting.

To remove :

Blood stains—Soak in cold or tepid water. Ammonia may be added to warm (not hot) water, or Naphtha soap or Javel water to warm water, for materials that can be washed. If the article can not be washed, cover the spot with wet or dry uncooked laundry-starch; let it dry and brush off. Chloroform may also be used.
 
Casey definitely should have left Caylee with her parents while she tried to make her life in the world for the first time, but I think she feared them getting custody. Or maybe she had other personal reasons for not wanting to leave her behind, i.e. didn't want Caylee to think she abandoned her, didn't want Caylee to forget she was her mom, etc. Or even, maybe (since they had filed for divorce the year before) maybe they were arguing a lot at the house and she didn't want Caylee to be witness to it. Or maybe she was also bitter at being forced out of the home and felt like if her parents were going to force her out they should not get to keep Caylee. Maybe a little of all of these.

Maybe in the heat of the argument Cindy made it clear to Casey that she was going to get custody and if she did, it would be permanent.
 
I would like to see that source. I have not heard that and if that is true it disproves ALL the stories about the nanny. If she had a nanny why would she need AH to keep Caylee. If that story is out there I believe it most likely is either another one of Casey's lies or her parents many lies.

I can't see AH wanting to keep Caylee. These are young responsible adults with the exception of Casey and all seemed to have a real life. Casey seemed to be the only leech in the group. All the others were in school, working or both and she just sponged off of their kindness. I believe by the time she was thrown out of the house, she had pretty well worn out all of her friends (from their statements) and if she could not move in with Tony she was done. Then him, and his roommates told her that Caylee could not be there - that I believe is the key to all of this.

It wasn't that she and AH were already sharing Caylee's care, it was in an email where they were discussing how it would be (in future) when they were sharing a place together, as per their plan. It was in an email (or myspace mssg) quoted on another (or more than one) thread. Probably someone here knows better than I do what it said.

All the others "young responsible adults with the exception of Casey and all seemed to have a real life", and Casey a big leech that they couldn't stand having around? I don't know where you get that...first of all, so their parents were still paying for college and providing them apartments and so on, big deal, that doesn't necessarily make them any more responsible or upstanding or anything. (Except AH, sounds like she was out of school and maybe more self-supporting with her job at Hoolihans or wherever, I don't know, I don't know what degree of financial support they all still had from their parents, presumably more than KC, I know the Glenwood apt was in the name of one of the friend's father, even though that friend was older and had worked. Anyway, the others had enough money for school and apartments and lots of partying and clubbing, and travel to PR and NY and so on.) No indication of them not wanting Casey around prior to when the whole story blew open and Cindy informed them all that Casey was a "psychopath" and not to contact her, and AH discovered the alleged theft. Up til then seems like they were all friends as usual, all said that Casey was nice, nice to have around, that they enjoyed Caylee, etc.
 
Well that is an interesting thought.............but did she put the body in the water and then put it back in the trunk?

could've happened even if she had gotten part way in the water, or walked thru swampy water to bury her. remember, the pants she wore that day were in the trunk , too. that's a shame CA washed them.
 
i have really thought it was an accident and KC just tossed her body in a dumpster (graphic and ugly, I know). I havent thought that Cindy knew anything and I stiil dont think she knows anything..I havent given much thought to George, although I think theres more tohinm than meets the eye..Not sure if I think he helped woth the cover up.
The chloroform is what throws me off...i though there was just a weird explanation but someone looked it up on her computer so that makes it a bit more devious.

I just wish something would happen..I wish they would find this poor little girl....

Its so WEIRD and TRAGIC....
 
seagull65 said:
I don't believe the premeditated murder theory. I don't think Casey actually had any motive to want to "get rid of" Caylee. All reports from friends/acquaintances/family indicate a normal, affectionate, caring relationship and decent care. And if Casey wanted to be "free to party" as the TV media have continually alleged, Casey could simply leave Caylee with her parents,

What about jealousy as a motive? CA herself states she believes jealousy took Caylee away in her July 3 MySpace post. As far as KC being a normal affectionate caring mother why would CA also state in her July 3 MS post: "who is now watching out for the little angel?" In my interpretation that is a grandmother who is in fear of her grand daughters safety. And at whose hands? KC's. As far as leaving Caylee at CA & GA"S if KC wanted to leave and be free, well yes under other circumstances that might make sense but according to CA, KC is a sociopath, full of jealousy and from all KC"s friends we have heard that there was a troubled relationship between mother and daughter. I doubt that KC would leave CA the one thing she loves and wants most in this world, Caylee, while KC herself is being kicked out of the house. I think you are right about KC being in desperate circumstances and this kind of "set the path", most likely leading to Caylee's death.

Also who are the aquaintances of KC's that lived at Sawgrass? That would be helpful to know. Please, do tell!!

seagull65 said:
Or, an accident could have occurred during someone's watch, whether Casey's or a friend's. Again, my opinion only. Obviously most or all of these people are completely innocent, but all should be investigated, and forensics should definitely have been done in the apartments where Caylee had been, and people's cars, because it only takes one. Innocent people would be perfectly happy for this to be done. If the authorities did not do this and are not doing this, I am pretty shocked. Evidence could obviously disappear quickly.

I don't have a problem with anyone being investigated as long as there is probable cause. I think it more likely that KC was intoxicated or angry esp. with all the evidence of her past sociopathic behavior, but like I said... if there is probable cause. And yes if they are innocent why should they mind. That is exactly how I feel about GA & CA & LA taking a polygraph exam, if they are innocent what is the problem? JMHO
 
Also who are the aquaintances of KC's that lived at Sawgrass? That would be helpful to know. Please, do tell!!

I don't have a problem with anyone being investigated as long as there is probable cause. I think it more likely that KC was intoxicated or angry esp. with all the evidence of her past sociopathic behavior, but like I said... if there is probable cause. And yes if they are innocent why should they mind. That is exactly how I feel about GA & CA & LA taking a polygraph exam, if they are innocent what is the problem? JMHO

Didn't the "Lake Vaj" DW fellow live at Sawgrass and did the other fellow whose first name is also D (I can't remember his last initial, but you know who I mean, the guy who quit his job at the autobody place or whatever right when this all became public?) Hopefully someone on the thread tonight can confirm this for us, I don't know where the thread about these players went. I remember people showing and discussing on the threads how the interiors you see in some of the party photos are at Sawgrass apts.

regarding probable cause, I would be so surprised if the authorities would not immediately investigate the people Casey had been living with and those apartments where she'd so often had Caylee prior to the disappearance, all the people she and Caylee had been hanging around. Especially any boyfriends and their apartments and cars, and any roommates she'd lived with. When a child is missing, that seems such an obvious place to start.

I know they did brief interviews with a few of the people, but that seems to be it (unless they've done forensics there that haven't been publicized yet.) Some of the people I'm not sure if they've ever even been questioned.
 
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