Theories On What Happened to Caylee Part #4

[BondJamesBond]

IMEHO, I agree the stop would have occurred between 4:25 and 4:50 PM while en route to Tony's. This is based on the direction of the two pings to Tower 46: 0.5 mi W of Amscot, 2 mi S of TonE L, which bracket the above times. The first ping is consistent with a location at either drug store. The second ping is from a location north of the CVS. Either at Tony's or on the way.

If I were a betting man, I'd have my money on CVS, based on KC standard driving pattern.

I'd go double-or-nothin' on that bet. :highfive:

 

[It's Not the Nanny]

The thing is, cold medicine and benedryl don't taste that good.

Motrin/Advil/maybe Tylenol....kids probably would take easily enough....cold meds aren't very tasty! My kids gag them down (when it was acceptable to give little kids cold meds when they had a cold!).

Then again, maybe KC bought the chewable/dissolving strip kind that would be easier for Caylee to take. (candy!) Honestly, I don't see Caylee drinking 3 times the normal dosage of Benedryl or cold medicine. (Mom opinion here!)

 

[reeseeva]

I could be one of the last standing, reading all theories, & reading for weeks, do not think she intentionally killed her! I still feel, after the night of the 15th, she was just so focused on herself, that the care of Caylee fell thru the cracks., & she just continued on with her life. I just can't grasp "intentional", as I truly believe she loved her!

I also wonder about the call on 6/16 from the Anthony home at 7:45am to KC's cell, could have been Cindy calling before she left for work, telling her to get home. She had done this before according to Ricordo M.

JMHO

 

[Marina2]

The thing is, cold medicine and benedryl don't taste that good.

Motrin/Advil/maybe Tylenol....kids probably would take easily enough....cold meds aren't very tasty! My kids gag them down (when it was acceptable to give little kids cold meds when they had a cold!).

Then again, maybe KC bought the chewable/dissolving strip kind that would be easier for Caylee to take. (candy!) Honestly, I don't see Caylee drinking 3 times the normal dosage of Benedryl or cold medicine. (Mom opinion here!)

But it happens all the time that children show up in emergency rooms near death or even dead from taking too much of this stuff. There must be some way to get it in.
I do agree about the taste though. We had to hold my granddaughter down to give her the Tylenol cold and flu syrup and it was flavored to taste good!! I would have just let it go but she was so uncomfortable...high fever, sore throat, couldn't breath from congestion. She felt much better after getting it.

 

[BondJamesBond]

I could be one of the last standing, reading all theories, & reading for weeks, do not think she intentionally killed her! I still feel, after the night of the 15th, she was just so focused on herself, that the care of Caylee fell thru the cracks., & she just continued on with her life. I just can't grasp "intentional", as I truly believe she loved her!

*snipped*

RE: Casey's intent.

IMHO, Casey's narcisstic actions were directed at her sole objective of having alone time w/ Tony. The possible effect of her actions on Caylee was not a priority or consideration. 10-minute-at-a-time-Casey didn't intend on Caylee dying 6/16...she intended to free herself from Caylee to suit her needs THAT NIGHT.

Legal experts can determine what definitions best fit her actions.

As covered above, if receipts surface that Casey visited CVS 6/16 after 4PM, there maybe similar receipts showing she stopped at a fast food place to get a bite to eat before showing up @ Tony's. If Casey could produce a receipt from that fast food place showing 2 meals...she would have an argument in court to suggest she was grossly negligent, dosed Caylee and applied the duct tape out of stupidity to keep Caylee quiet...not to murder her.

Since Casey didn't plan on keeping Caylee overnight @ Tony's 6/16 - as she appears to have managed 6/10-6/14 to start some other form of Caylee-Care (e.g. improvised staying @ Lee's and making brief, middle-of-the-night dashes up to Tony's w/o Caylee) - she never took Caylee's things to Tony's. 6/16 was no different. She didn't take overnight supplies 6/16 for Caylee because Casey planned/needed/expected to drop Caylee w/ Cindy @ Gentiva that afternoon. Didn't work...no back-up plan...damn the torpedos!

In Casey's mind she was given no choice. In Casey's mind her actions were justified. Seriously consider the consequences for her actions? Why should she?...the consequences would be Cindy's fault.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

But it happens all the time that children show up in emergency rooms near death or even dead from taking too much of this stuff. There must be some way to get it in.
I do agree about the taste though. We had to hold my granddaughter down to give her the Tylenol cold and flu syrup and it was flavored to taste good!! I would have just let it go but she was so uncomfortable...high fever, sore throat, couldn't breath from congestion. She felt much better after getting it.

The thing is, cold medicine and benedryl don't taste that good.

Motrin/Advil/maybe Tylenol....kids probably would take easily enough....cold meds aren't very tasty! My kids gag them down (when it was acceptable to give little kids cold meds when they had a cold!).

Then again, maybe KC bought the chewable/dissolving strip kind that would be easier for Caylee to take. (candy!) Honestly, I don't see Caylee drinking 3 times the normal dosage of Benedryl or cold medicine. (Mom opinion here!)

Marina - so very true! It's Not the Nanny - This is true but alot of doctors and pharmacies now supply syringe looking plastic applicators with millimeter measuring to make it easier when administering oral medication. You literally just stick it in the medicine, suck it up by pulling the handle thingy up, then push the medicine into the childs mouth. If you bypass the tongues natural tastebuds then the medicine wouldn't have any taste at all. In other words, if KC used this type of measuring device, instead of a spoon like the average parent, then little Caylee might not have put up a fight. If KC did this on a daily basis, Caylee might have even gotten used to the taste & therefore never put up a fight by thinking it tastes yucky. Think about it...if somebody puts liver in front of me (or even eats it in my vicinity) I'll throw up, but the person eating it might love it b/c they've grown used to the taste of it - therefore they don't find it's taste offensive. Escargo is another example.

 

[Lanie]

FWIW...I have in my notes from the computer forensics that the pics (dunno 'bout vid) from the nursing home were downloaded to the laptop @ 3:31PM on 6/17. Owing to Cindy's work schedule and Casey's pings this was performed by Casey.

IIRC, a pic (dunno 'bout vid) from the above downloaded photos based on the content (Caylee reading book @ nursing home matching the video) was last viewed ~10AM 7/2. This may have been a still image from the video. I just don't recall.

Do you happen to show in your notes where Casey probably was based on her pings? I'm getting to the point where I really hate looking this stuff up.
TIA
Lanie

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Do you happen to show in your notes where Casey probably was based on her pings? I'm getting to the point where I really hate looking this stuff up.
TIA
Lanie

Bond - ditto from me. I thought it was JWG's reference to the pings, but maybe it was yours. For me, I'm trying to pinpoint the time of each ping when KC showered at JG's - morning through afternoon. I'm still looking through the posts regarding the pings. Trying to back everything up with the official docs. Thanks so very much for all of your contributions!

 

[eddeva]

I could be one of the last standing, reading all theories, & reading for weeks, do not think she intentionally killed her! I still feel, after the night of the 15th, she was just so focused on herself, that the care of Caylee fell thru the cracks., & she just continued on with her life. I just can't grasp "intentional", as I truly believe she loved her!

reeseeva, you're not the last but you are in the minority. it doesn't stop you speaking your mind though, nor should it, but it does take a strong person to do so. i may not agree w/ you, but i certainly respect you.

 

[Lanie]

The thing is, cold medicine and benedryl don't taste that good.

Motrin/Advil/maybe Tylenol....kids probably would take easily enough....cold meds aren't very tasty! My kids gag them down (when it was acceptable to give little kids cold meds when they had a cold!).

Then again, maybe KC bought the chewable/dissolving strip kind that would be easier for Caylee to take. (candy!) Honestly, I don't see Caylee drinking 3 times the normal dosage of Benedryl or cold medicine. (Mom opinion here!)

But it happens all the time that children show up in emergency rooms near death or even dead from taking too much of this stuff. There must be some way to get it in.
I do agree about the taste though. We had to hold my granddaughter down to give her the Tylenol cold and flu syrup and it was flavored to taste good!! I would have just let it go but she was so uncomfortable...high fever, sore throat, couldn't breath from congestion. She felt much better after getting it.

I think it depends on the kid. My brother was caught eating dried dog poop in the back yard when he was about 2-3 years old. He said a dirty word and my mom put a little soap in his mouth. He went back into the bathroom and ate the whole bar. He would eat anything. (Ironically, his name was Mikey...)
I had a little bit of a struggle with 3 of my children when they had to take some medicines. The other one had allergies pretty bad, and never fought the meds at all, she would even do the nasal spray with no complaints, which I personally can't stand.
Lanie

 

[Lanie]

I could be one of the last standing, reading all theories, & reading for weeks, do not think she intentionally killed her! I still feel, after the night of the 15th, she was just so focused on herself, that the care of Caylee fell thru the cracks., & she just continued on with her life. I just can't grasp "intentional", as I truly believe she loved her!

I also wonder about the call on 6/16 from the Anthony home at 7:45am to KC's cell, could have been Cindy calling before she left for work, telling her to get home. She had done this before according to Ricordo M.

JMHO

Hey, don't sweat it. There are lots of times I feel like I am the only one who thinks the chloroform is actually relevant. The bottom line is they are all theories based on the way we each have viewed the evidence. LOL, if we all agreed on every point, there would be nothing to discuss.
Lanie

 

[suspicious1]

I could be one of the last standing, reading all theories, & reading for weeks, do not think she intentionally killed her! I still feel, after the night of the 15th, she was just so focused on herself, that the care of Caylee fell thru the cracks., & she just continued on with her life. I just can't grasp "intentional", as I truly believe she loved her!

I also wonder about the call on 6/16 from the Anthony home at 7:45am to KC's cell, could have been Cindy calling before she left for work, telling her to get home. She had done this before according to Ricordo M.

JMHO

I don't believe that she killed her intentionally either.

I remember a time I came home late one night and locked my bedroom door (which I always did because my mother is so nosey) my mom would call my cell phone because she knew I would wake up to my cell ringing. I don't know if this is what KC did but it could be possible.

 

[Indigo]

*snipped*

RE: Casey's intent.

IMHO, Casey's narcisstic actions were directed at her sole objective of having alone time w/ Tony. The possible effect of her actions on Caylee was not a priority or consideration. 10-minute-at-a-time-Casey didn't intend on Caylee dying 6/16...she intended to free herself from Caylee to suit her needs THAT NIGHT.

Legal experts can determine what definitions best fit her actions.

As covered above, if receipts surface that Casey visited CVS 6/16 after 4PM, there maybe similar receipts showing she stopped at a fast food place to get a bite to eat before showing up @ Tony's. If Casey could produce a receipt from that fast food place showing 2 meals...she would have an argument in court to suggest she was grossly negligent, dosed Caylee and applied the duct tape out of stupidity to keep Caylee quiet...not to murder her.

Since Casey didn't plan on keeping Caylee overnight @ Tony's 6/16 - as she appears to have managed 6/10-6/14 to start some other form of Caylee-Care (e.g. improvised staying @ Lee's and making brief, middle-of-the-night dashes up to Tony's w/o Caylee) - she never took Caylee's things to Tony's. 6/16 was no different. She didn't take overnight supplies 6/16 for Caylee because Casey planned/needed/expected to drop Caylee w/ Cindy @ Gentiva that afternoon. Didn't work...no back-up plan...damn the torpedos!

In Casey's mind she was given no choice. In Casey's mind her actions were justified. Seriously consider the consequences for her actions? Why should she?...the consequences would be Cindy's fault.

IIRC, Casey told George they'd be staying at the nanny's and wouldn't be coming home that night. She also told George ( 8/4 interview) that she had discussed her plans with Cindy. In your opinion, BJB, what changed her original plan? TIA.

 

[BondJamesBond]

IIRC, Casey told George they'd be staying at the nanny's and wouldn't be coming home that night. She also told George ( 8/4 interview) that she had discussed her plans with Cindy. In your opinion, BJB, what changed her original plan? TIA.

IMHO, George's last sighting of Caylee account we are all familiar with including the clothes she was wearing, the time of day, the plans for the evening, are all indeed from his memory of 6/9 not 6/16.

• Cell pings support this conclusion.
• Casey & Caylee's overnight stay w/ Ricardo 6/9 supports this conclusion.
• Clothes found with the remains not matching George's description supports this conclusion.

 

[BondJamesBond]

OT: However, in response to requests..re: researching pings:

1) Goto the Sticky Forum (3rd in the list of Sub-Forums on the at the top of the main Caylee Forum page) Link here for convenience: http://websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=233
2) Scroll down/page forward to find the Thread for the day of interest. Titles are all in the same format, "Ping Map for June ##, 2008 - Discuss that day only."
3) Goto post#1 of the day of interest thread.
4) Use the link provided by Georgia PI in post#1 to view the Google Map for that day flagged with each ping and its associated time.
5) Read the thread for the day of interest to see if your specific interest/question has been discussed.

Hope that helps. Now...back to Theories

 

[Jersey*Girl]

OT: However, in response to requests..re: researching pings:

1) Goto the Sticky Forum (3rd in the list of Sub-Forums on the at the top of the main Caylee Forum page) Link here for convenience: http://websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=233
2) Scroll down/page forward to find the Thread for the day of interest. Titles are all in the same format, "Ping Map for June ##, 2008 - Discuss that day only."
3) Goto post#1 of the day of interest thread.
4) Use the link provided by Georgia PI in post#1 to view the Google Map for that day flagged with each ping and its associated time.
5) Read the thread for the day of interest to see if your specific interest/question has been discussed.

Hope that helps. Now...back to Theories

I honestly can't thank you enough. Great job!

 

[eddeva]

IIRC, Casey told George they'd be staying at the nanny's and wouldn't be coming home that night. She also told George ( 8/4 interview) that she had discussed her plans with Cindy. In your opinion, BJB, what changed her original plan? TIA.

hang about, if she told george caylee was staying over w/ the nanny and if she told tony caylee was staying over w/ the nanny, that's premeditation right there.

ETA if this has already been said sorry. your post caught my eye before i read everything else.

 

[It's Not the Nanny]

hang about, if she told george caylee was staying over w/ the nanny and if she told tony caylee was staying over w/ the nanny, that's premeditation right there.

ETA if this has already been said sorry. your post caught my eye before i read everything else.

Exactly!!

I know GA is cuckoo for KC pops but for some weird reason, I DO believe KC left that afternoon with an alive Caylee and KC DID tell him she wouldn't be coming home because she was "working".

I know, I know... GA reported all the details of their clothes but I honestly don't think he remembers. I would never be able to remember something like that. They lived together and he saw Caylee in all of her clothes day in and day out. He and CA may have gone through pictures or her closet to try and figure out what was missing and say that is what she was wearing.....

or it was part of their cover up later to report that outfit.

Either way, I think KC saying they wouldn't be home and not leaving with a suitcase screams premeditation.

 

[Rumpole]

hang about, if she told george caylee was staying over w/ the nanny and if she told tony caylee was staying over w/ the nanny, that's premeditation right there.

ETA if this has already been said sorry. your post caught my eye before i read everything else.

Unless there really was a Nanny? LOL

 

[BondJamesBond]

IMHO, George's last sighting of Caylee account we are all familiar with including the clothes she was wearing, the time of day, the plans for the evening, are all indeed from his memory of 6/9 not 6/16.

• Cell pings support this conclusion.
• Casey & Caylee's overnight stay w/ Ricardo 6/9 supports this conclusion.
• Clothes found with the remains not matching George's description supports this conclusion.

Bump for your consideration...as you head down the 'proof of premeditation' path...