Theories On What Happened to Caylee Part #7

[Solace]

I agree. Your post just confirmed to me where the murder took place. It's that duct tape There was never any duct tape found in Caseys car which leads me to believe that Casey killed Caylee at the home. Casey snaps, that batch of choloform, for whatever reason, isn't knocking Caylee out and Casey can't sneak out until she knocks Caylee out. If Caylee isn't knocked out then Casey runs a big risk of Cindy coming in to check on Caylee.

Hmm... Casey is :furious: she wants to get out of there fast but can't until she can shut Caylee up.....enter the duct tape...the ol' saying tape your mouth shut....It isn't until Casey returns home that night or the next morning that she discovers she killed Caylee.

Now, as to the suggestion that Caylees death was an accident and everything snowballed from there....The very first time this scenerio is brought up is when the detectives met with George on 7/24/08. LE asked if this could have happened BUT George refutes that because of the car, the date he found the gas cans missing from his shed, tells LE that the pool ladder incident happened after the gas can event. George then tells LE that Cindy and he had met with several of Lee and Casey's friends the previous Sunday night after the prayer vigil and questioned the friends who told G&C that none of them had seen Caylee with Casey.

:doh: lost my train of thought

Novice Seeker

But don't you think KC knocked her out with chloroform and she was asleep. And while she was asleep, she put the tape around her mouth. That is what I always thought.

It would be pretty difficult to do that to any child without their screaming. I think Caylee was out at the time. Whether she woke up to this because she could not breath is a matter for experts. I have no idea of one would "wake up" if they could not breath after being put out by chloroform? Anyone?

 

[Novice Seeker]

I also think Caylee's death was triggered by the fight on the 15th but I am not totally convinced that the research on the computer was because Casey was looking for ways to get rid of her baby. I think that it's quite possible Casey's intended victims may have been her parents. That she told her friend that she was going to be in possession of her parents home soon and that they can move in together, also that she stalled her boyfriend with the statement "in a week you can come over as much as you like" makes me think her parents lucked out.

That Casey was in a murderous state of mind was undeniable I think unfortunately she directed that rage at Caylee in the knowledge that what she did to her could cause her to die.

I absolutely agree. My theory is that Casey had decided to kill her parents because IMO she hated her mother with a passion, saw Cindy as the person who was preventing Casey from "a beautiful life". As for George, Casey probably saw him as useless and (fill in the blank for concern of once I start, well I may not be able to stop. Anyhoo, George talks about this with the detectives. So, by killing the parents Casey benefits financially and in her mind freedom.

However something happened the night of the 15th that made Casey decide it was time and sadly Caylee became the first victim.

Now, after going back over some of the interviews this is my Opinion of events

1. Casey takes Caylee for a walk with a girlfriend on the 12th
2. A witness states that he saw Casey and Caylee the Morning of the
13th and Casey returned to Fusion's that evening without Caylee then
spends the night with AL, who btw tells LE that Casey had been living with
him since the 9th.
3. AL tells LE that he asked Casey numerous times about Caylee and was
told that she was with the nanny or grandparents.

So, Casey dumps Caylee off on Cindy the 13th,
Cindy visits her parents and according to her Casey was home when she
returned and all was well, everyone goes to bed.

IMO, Casey wasn't home when Cindy arrived but showed up later b/c she either needed more clothes orCindy was demanding she come get her kid.

OK, the photos of Caylee at the nursing home are still sitting in the camera. These photos are downloaded on the 16th which makes me think Casey storms out with most likely just the clothes on her back. Sometime after the 16th during one of the episodes Casey sneaks back into the house she steals Cindys laptop.

Pause :martini:

Novice Seeker

 

[Novice Seeker]

But don't you think KC knocked her out with chloroform and she was asleep. And while she was asleep, she put the tape around her mouth. That is what I always thought.

It would be pretty difficult to do that to any child without their screaming. I think Caylee was out at the time. Whether she woke up to this because she could not breath is a matter for experts. I have no idea of one would "wake up" if they could not breath after being put out by chloroform? Anyone?

I don't think so and here's my thought. The chloroform had to be made from some sort of receipe b/c chloroform isn't an easily obtainable drug to get a hold of. It isn't prescribed by doctors nor dispensed by a neighborhood pharmacy. The only place this drug can be found is in the OR and even then so rarely that the bottles collect dust on the back shelf.

We've read about the purpose Casey used this drug...to sedate Caylee so she could party. In movies the bad guy is often seen knocking a person out with chloroform and the next scene shows the victim waking up but with duct tape over their mouth, mind you the victim is an adult...important piece..

IMO, Casey is in an absolute rage, she's stuck with her snotty nose kid and she needs to get back to AL pronto. But Caylee isn't responding to the drug. Ok, now what...slap duct tape over Caylee's mouth. However, Casey is so far gone at this point along with a degree of ignorance and she doesn't notice that b/c Caylee is only a baby that the duct tape not only covers her mouth but also her nose. Only later does Casey discover that she has killed her own daughter but without any maternal emotions.

Novice Seeker

 

[Novice Seeker]

Hi Novice,

The question re smell and the dog hitting on something other than decomposition was asked by Greta Van Sustern to a forensic "whatever" and his answer was "no". The dogs are specifically trained to hit on decomposition odor, not urine - as Cindy would like us to believe. They hit twice - once in the trunk of the car and once near the sandbox and the house. Cindy likes to tell the "story" that the handler of the dog said he might hit on urine. I can't say for sure she made that up or if he actually said it, so .....

I believe there were two dogs and both hit. Am I wrong?

Thank you. I've been digging thru all those massive documents to find this information. From what little I've read these particular dogs are specifically ignore the odor and find the source. I thought I remember it was the sandbox and the car which makes sense because Casey placed Caylees body in the trunk which would have left a source of decomposition. This along with the duct tape makes me believe Casey murdered Caylee in the home. Even George states in his initial interview that when he opened the trunk and saw the Arm & Hammer and other laundy supplies he knew that these items came from his home.

Novice Seeker

 

[sumbunny]

Interesting. I thought a lot of the trunk debris was from Tony's house.

I'm also sure Caylee was killed at the family home. Not overly sure if it was the evening of the 15th or the 16th in the afternoon. I am not sure I believe George's interpretation of the morning of the 16th only because he continues to re-write that morning and what happened.

I'm not convinced about the use of chloroform . I don't think Casey is all that bothered with concocting a potion that is highly volatile to make (IE-can't be in a plastic container, etc etc) If anything I can see her drugging her with some over the counter night time cold medicine..etc. But heh..who knows, perhaps she got the idea from her ex's blurb/joke picture on his myspace.

IIRC, the samples from the trunk carpet had very minute amounts of chloroform.
I'd be nervous to make it the KEY murder weapon.

Clearly,the duct tape covering her mouth and nasal passages was a sure way to snuff out poor little caylee. I think it was a rage/anger killing. Not an accident.MOO

 

[Novice Seeker]

Interesting. I thought a lot of the trunk debris was from Tony's house.

I'm also sure Caylee was killed at the family home. Not overly sure if it was the evening of the 15th or the 16th in the afternoon. I am not sure I believe George's interpretation of the morning of the 16th only because he continues to re-write that morning and what happened.

I'm not convinced about the use of chloroform . I don't think Casey is all that bothered with concocting a potion that is highly volatile to make (IE-can't be in a plastic container, etc etc) If anything I can see her drugging her with some over the counter night time cold medicine..etc. But heh..who knows, perhaps she got the idea from her ex's blurb/joke picture on his myspace.

IIRC, the samples from the trunk carpet had very minute amounts of chloroform.
I'd be nervous to make it the KEY murder weapon.

Clearly,the duct tape covering her mouth and nasal passages was a sure way to snuff out poor little caylee. I think it was a rage/anger killing. Not an accident.MOO

ITA. Casey planned on getting rid of all three of them, that's a given(IMO) The explosion Sunday, I'm just not sure if it was late afternoon, bedtime or later into the night, determined Caseys first victim...Caylee

Novice Seeker

 

[Ssejors]

ICA is not the kind of women to pre-plan ANYTHING. She can't plan for her future. She can't plan for a sitter. She is totally impulsive and explosive and volatile. I don't think for one second that poor lil Caylee's demise was an accident. The way ICA flies off the handle over the littlest things, such as not getting her way, not getting TonE's phone number, Not getting chili... it just shows how volatile she is. She lost her cool and went over board with her vengeful hatred of her mother. Caylee is the love of CA life, so she is just gonna fix CA's Goose and see how she feels. Anyone who bothers to stage a kidnapping would have the common sense and FORESITE to NOT USE ANYTHING from their own home. Duct tape, garbage bags, STICKERS, On and ON. You dont go out of your way to use everything you find in your own garage and house.

Totally, totally impulsive. This was a fit of rage. and I really think that rage, anger and selfishness are the only emotions the ICA can feel. She never had a second thought after the fact. I'm sure there was a good old brush of the hands and a .. "that'll fix you CINDY" thought that went through her head after, but that was about it. And off to blockbuster she went. life goes on for ICA. She didnt even have the forethought to get out of town! She just carried on with her life as tho nothing happened.

On top of thinking that she is totally impulsive and volatile, she seriously isn't all that bright at ALL. My guess was she didnt even think about WHAT she would tell ANYONE about Caylee until the night that CA showed up at TonE's and hauled her Ttub back home. THAT, IMVHO, is when she thought, oh CARP, i better think of something. She was too busy boozing, flirting, (another verb that starts with F) and probably sleeping off hangovers, to give Caylee a second thought. Most likely she figured she was in the clear. Jeebiz... if the cops and her parents havent come looking for Caylee in 30 days.. well Hot Dang.. she must have pulled it off. Bella Vita?! Premature celebratory ink?

If I say that she is completely STUPID, does that Violate TOS?

She really hasn't got a clue. Her own little surreal ICA world is so big and so real that she can't see all the blatant evidence in front of her. LOL I still Laugh when I read her written statement. If I were HHJBP I would lock her up for having the audacity to profess it to be the truth. I wonder if she sits in her cell, smirking, thinking she is in the clear. It wouldnt surprise me in the least if she still thinks she will get away with this. She is so out of touch with reality. it's laughable.

my 2cents

 

[Novice Seeker]

ICA is not the kind of women to pre-plan ANYTHING. She can't plan for her future. She can't plan for a sitter. She is totally impulsive and explosive and volatile. I don't think for one second that poor lil Caylee's demise was an accident. The way ICA flies off the handle over the littlest things, such as not getting her way, not getting TonE's phone number, Not getting chili... it just shows how volatile she is. She lost her cool and went over board with her vengeful hatred of her mother. Caylee is the love of CA life, so she is just gonna fix CA's Goose and see how she feels. Anyone who bothers to stage a kidnapping would have the common sense and FORESITE to NOT USE ANYTHING from their own home. Duct tape, garbage bags, STICKERS, On and ON. You dont go out of your way to use everything you find in your own garage and house.

Totally, totally impulsive. This was a fit of rage. and I really think that rage, anger and selfishness are the only emotions the ICA can feel. She never had a second thought after the fact. I'm sure there was a good old brush of the hands and a .. "that'll fix you CINDY" thought that went through her head after, but that was about it. And off to blockbuster she went. life goes on for ICA. She didnt even have the forethought to get out of town! She just carried on with her life as tho nothing happened.

On top of thinking that she is totally impulsive and volatile, she seriously isn't all that bright at ALL. My guess was she didnt even think about WHAT she would tell ANYONE about Caylee until the night that CA showed up at TonE's and hauled her Ttub back home. THAT, IMVHO, is when she thought, oh CARP, i better think of something. She was too busy boozing, flirting, (another verb that starts with F) and probably sleeping off hangovers, to give Caylee a second thought. Most likely she figured she was in the clear. Jeebiz... if the cops and her parents havent come looking for Caylee in 30 days.. well Hot Dang.. she must have pulled it off. Bella Vita?! Premature celebratory ink?

If I say that she is completely STUPID, does that Violate TOS?

She really hasn't got a clue. Her own little surreal ICA world is so big and so real that she can't see all the blatant evidence in front of her. LOL I still Laugh when I read her written statement. If I were HHJBP I would lock her up for having the audacity to profess it to be the truth. I wonder if she sits in her cell, smirking, thinking she is in the clear. It wouldnt surprise me in the least if she still thinks she will get away with this. She is so out of touch with reality. it's laughable.

my 2cents

I agree about the brains part. I don't believe anything short of being thrown into general population once in prison is going to knock that smirk, batting eye lashes, shirt tucking, vanity out of her.

But, I tend to think that in fact Casey had begun looking for ways to murder her parents.(IMO) ie..the computer searches, internet diaries, conversations with AH. Most serial killers are actually fairly methodical of how and who their victim will be. With Casey her first victim was Caylee and if LE hadn't been brought in there would have been more victims.


Novice Seeker

 

[jomasano]

Remember the news conference at Baez's office before she was arrested? Casey was standing to his right and I think she had like 3 tears....

Baez said something like: When the truth comes out, you will understand...

Do you think he was talking about Casey using chloroform on Caylee more than once to go party and that her death was "just" an accident?

In the eyes of the law, would that scenario still be murder or would it be criminal negligence or something like that?

IF that was really what happened, Casey would have had to plead guilty to less than murder but would she still face the death penalty? :waitasec:

 

[faefrost]

Giving a toxic and illegal and extremely dangerous chemical to a small child, even if the intent was not death, but simply to make them "sleep" would still be murder. It was a deliberate intentional act whose only reasonably foreseeable outcome would be harm to the child.

 

[costalpilot]

i dont think he was talking about anything concrete. it was smoke and mirrors. it was BS. it was an atty saying anything that might conceivably obscure the facts.

having no foundation in fact, or, even, belief.

ya think these guys believe the bs they spew? I don't.

 

[LaLaw2000]

Well, I now have a different theory than I had before the Pepitone monologue tonight. The only thing I agree with this person on is that the body was staged.

Cindy and Caylee get back from visiting the nursing home where her Dad lives, and after visiting with her Mother. Back in the beginning, I seem to remember that Cindy stated that she and Caylee had gone swimming. Maybe Casey came in and went out back while CIndy and Caylee were swimming. Cindy and her Mother may have talked about what all Casey had done concerning stealing her mothers' money, etc., so Cindy had been stewing. Cindy may have been loaded for bear when she saw Casey come back there. I think an argument ensued between Cindy and Casey while Cindy was still in the pool. Somehow Caylee drowned or was injured. Then an loud verbal argument was heard by a neighbor and Cindy wound up with her hands around Caseys' neck after whatever happened to Caylee.

I believe that Cindy and Casey panicked and knew that maybe they would both go to jail for what happened Caylee. After the fight, they had to come together and come up with a plan. I believe Cindy let Casey have her credit cards for use and also had to have a plan for Casey and (presumably) Caylee to be out of town for a long enough period of time for the (bless little Caylee) body to decompose enough that a COD could not be determined.

I believe that Cindy and Casey had a plan and that they did regularly communicate during the 31 days. I do think little Caylees' body was placed by the bush at the corner of the house overnight, and then moved to her playhouse the next day. At that point, George may not have even suspected anything was wrong when he came home from work that night.

I said 'way back when' that George may have been the one who orchestrated the biggest part of the 'coverup'. By the time he found out Caylee was dead, too many days had passed (and Caylee was in the trunk) for any of the family to explain why the police & 911 were not immediately called when Caylee either drowned or maybe fell out of the pool breaking her neck. George had been a deputy for many years, and then become a detective for a short period of time, IIRC. He would have known what maybe Cindy was facing along with Casey, IMO. (Jail/prison) The Zenaida kidnapping story had already been made up, so why not make it look like a kidnapping/murder had been done by her? In George, Cindy, and Caseys' delusional thinking, they did not think of how the duct tape, heart sticker, laundry bag, and trash bags could possibly be traced back to their own home and belongings. None of this was supposed to have been found out, IMO.

We have not seen all of Cindys' texts, IMO. The one text I do remember is that Cindy did supposedly text Casey on the day the car was located in the tow yard and stated, "Major prob." I have to admit I do not remember the rest of that text. I think the 'major prob' was that the car still reeked of decomposition even though they thought they had thoroughly cleaned it. The car was cleaned before the boys pushed it into that parking place where it was towed from. They wanted it to be towed and for it to sit in the tow yard for some time, IMO, but even that did not reduce the smell because of the sun beating down on the trunk thereby causing the decomposition smell to permeate the entire car. (run-on sentence. sorry)

IMO, Casey had not followed through with her part of the plan to the letter as George and Cindy had. I also think it was part of the plan for Cindy to wait until Amy had gotten back from her trip for Cindy to 'find' Casey. And it goes from there to the police being called.

The big problem with this theory is one big question. WHY would Casey not tell what she knows of Cindy and even Georges' part in this big coverup? During a jail visit, Casey had told whichever one of them that had the phone, "Don't worry, I haven't said anything." Just what was she referring to when she said that?

Right now Casey is in a 'Catch 22' situation, IMO. She cannot tell what she knows without implicating herself. At conviction, will the rest of the story come out if she did not act alone? I still say that Cindy knew little Caylee was dead when she wrote her July MySpace epistle. She was mourning, IMO. Cindy had already taken some time off the first part of June. Then she takes off another week through the last few days of June through the July 4th holiday. Usually an employer will not let you take days off twice in one month. Was this usual for Cindy?

I can really see all of this happening because all of the Anthony's are so prone to drama and we have caught them all badly misrepresenting the truth. Was George heading to where Caylee had been thrown away when he started off down toward the end of the street one night after declaring that he was not going to continue to live a lie? (IIRC)

IDK. I realize this theory may be full of holes, but it is what I think at the moment. I believe to the depths of my soul that Cindy and George KNEW that Caylee was dead, and that Cindy was there when it happened. I think Cindy knew before George did. I am not saying they did not love Caylee. Who could not love her? Well, except Casey, of course.

I think that little Caylee either drowned in the pool amid the argument, or she fell and maybe her neck was broken. I believe that little Caylee died right there in front of both of them.

This is my own demented opinion and is pure speculation as you all know. This case has driven me absolutely crazy. I keep looking for answers and none are forthcoming. At least we are closer to justice for Caylee, thank goodness.

Sorry for the long post, folks. I had to write it and get it out of my system.

All kinds of MOO's. :rocker:

 

[zippitydoda]

For me, last nights bombshell report was presented to get the public thinking about a possible drowning, a “test the waters” type of propaganda.

I believe this is just a simple case of murder. Everything that happened after the act, while bizarre, is not enough to sway me into thinking it was some detailed and thought out plot to mislead and cover up an accident. I would hope that any attorney can explain to their client the difference between the penalties of disposing of a body due to an accidental death over first degree murder. Say what you want about the defense, unless ICA was so uncooperative, telling her; look one conviction gets you few months/years tops - the other; either LWOP or the death penalty. One sets you up for sympathy, the other total hatred – which one of these personas do you think that ICA would seek? She was arrested, so she knew LE & SA were not buying her nanny kidnapped story. At that time, she could have told them about an accidental death and ended all of this, but that ship has sailed, and everything else that we’ve learned points to no other explanation but murder.

If others, in addition to ICA, were involved, it would never have been exposed in the way it was. ICA would have been given whatever she needed to disappear. Why would they alert LE? Who would have noticed that Caylee was gone? She was not in school, did not receive benefits that I’m aware of, and there were no claims through child services which could have prompted follow up inspections.

Caylee’s remains, if found early, would have told the entire story of what happened to her, and that’s why I believe that nobody in that camp wanted her remains found early on/not at all. I do think there was an effort later on, once the protesters and media left the vicinity, to move her remains by those looking to help ICA, but that didn’t work out the way they planned.

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

I do wholeheartedly think if CA had anything to do with Caylee's demise, ICA would sing it loud and proud...

Now LALaw has me thinking, ICA said in a jailhouse visit, "don't worry, I haven't told them anything", or words to that effect...but would she really cover for a mother she despises, one who controls her every breath? I can't see her sitting in prison all this time when all she had to do, was tell the truth. Even if they both were charged, this would be the icing on ICA's cake, to see her perfect mother being arrested. Who really knows but ICA...this family lives in an alternate reality...

It's a far fetched scenario to even use drowning as an excuse when no one lifted a finger to aid an allegedly drowning child! To make up a kidnapping, to go to those lengths could only be for one reason....this was a deliberate murder, Caylee was in the way of her freedom. Grandmother didn't want to babysit Caylee anymore, CA wanted ICA to be a better parent and spend more time with her child. I also believe CA who possibly been in menopause, hormones raging, patience dwindling, didn't have it in her to be taking care of Caylee after a long days work while she knew her daughter was out having fun. JMHO

Justice for Caylee

 

[jennyb]

Well here's my theory for what it's worth.

Casey stayed out all night on the 14th. Cindy took Caylee to the nursing home by herself the next morning and she was PIZZED. Casey breezed home on the evening of the 15th and met with Cindy's unbelievable fury. There was a fight, maybe the biggest they'd ever had. There was no swimming in the pool and cuddling up in bed with the "three girls" to watch Desperate Housewives like any other normal night.

Casey took Caylee out of the house THAT NIGHT and sometime before the sun rose Caylee was dead. Pings show her in the vicinity of the house that night and the next day but pings don't show she was in her room. She could have been at the abandoned house down the street or somewhere else close by.

NO ONE saw or heard Casey and Caylee breathing behind a closed door, eating breakfast, being walked to the car with "I love you's" coming from George. on the 16th.

I don't think Cindy and George knew Caylee was dead until they got the car. I think the minute she hung up the phone from the last call to the 911 operator she got the truth out of Casey because Casey knew she needed her mother's help for this one. Casey needed Cindy more than she hated her at that moment. I picture it sounding like this: "I CAN'T HELP YOU UNLESS YOU TELL ME WHAT HAPPENED." Casey told her it was a terrible accident but "forgot" to mention the pesky detail about the tape business.

Cindy went into high cover-up mode right then and there and hasn't stopped to this day. I don't think Cindy feels any remorse, guilt or shame about any of it. She just wants what she wants. And what she wants is to deal with the situation inside the "family" and how dare... how dare! anyone get into their business.

Stoopid cops, stoopid prosecutors, stoopid Judge. Get outta our business. I know what went down and I'll deal with it as I see fit. We have our own rules, our own laws, our own country, our own universe. Get lost. So sez the Godfather.

P.S. I read on another reputable blog that it rained the evening of the 15th. 1.5 inches of waterfall. It can evidently be seen on some weather tracking site but I can't remember the specifics. If this is true there was no "swimming" that night.

 

[jennyb]

I do wholeheartedly think if CA had anything to do with Caylee's demise, ICA would sing it loud and proud...

Now LALaw has me thinking, ICA said in a jailhouse visit, "don't worry, I haven't told them anything", or words to that effect...but would she really cover for a mother she despises, one who controls her every breath? I can't see her sitting in prison all this time when all she had to do, was tell the truth. Even if they both were charged, this would be the icing on ICA's cake, to see her perfect mother being arrested. Who really knows but ICA...this family lives in an alternate reality...

It's a far fetched scenario to even use drowning as an excuse when no one lifted a finger to aid an allegedly drowning child! To make up a kidnapping, to go to those lengths could only be for one reason....this was a deliberate murder, Caylee was in the way of her freedom. Grandmother didn't want to babysit Caylee anymore, CA wanted ICA to be a better parent and spend more time with her child. I also believe CA who possibly been in menopause, hormones raging, patience dwindling, didn't have it in her to be taking care of Caylee after a long days work while she knew her daughter was out having fun. JMHO

Justice for Caylee

I agree that Casey wouldn't cover for anyone. She has plenty of dirt on Cindy but it doesn't benefit her to spill at the moment. Because it doesn't help her case. Just wait until Casey is sentenced and is firmly behind bars. She'll tell it all because she has nothing to lose.

 

[jennyb]

I'll revise what I said above, a little. Because I'm not sure Casey didn't sleep at home the night of the 14th. It's just something I think would've put Cindy through the roof. I don't think the argument rested on the theft from the nursing home account.

The rest of my theory is still my theory. lol. IMO.

 

[annmarie62]

Well here's my theory for what it's worth.

Casey stayed out all night on the 14th. Cindy took Caylee to the nursing home by herself the next morning and she was PIZZED. Casey breezed home on the evening of the 15th and met with Cindy's unbelievable fury. There was a fight, maybe the biggest they'd ever had. There was no swimming in the pool and cuddling up in bed with the "three girls" to watch Desperate Housewives like any other normal night.

Casey took Caylee out of the house THAT NIGHT and sometime before the sun rose Caylee was dead. Pings show her in the vicinity of the house that night and the next day but pings don't show she was in her room. She could have been at the abandoned house down the street or somewhere else close by.

NO ONE saw or heard Casey and Caylee breathing behind a closed door, eating breakfast, being walked to the car with "I love you's" coming from George. on the 16th.

I don't think Cindy and George knew Caylee was dead until they got the car. I think the minute she hung up the phone from the last call to the 911 operator she got the truth out of Casey because Casey knew she needed her mother's help for this one. Casey needed Cindy more than she hated her at that moment. I picture it sounding like this: "I CAN'T HELP YOU UNLESS YOU TELL ME WHAT HAPPENED." Casey told her it was a terrible accident but "forgot" to mention the pesky detail about the tape business.

Cindy went into high cover-up mode right then and there and hasn't stopped to this day. I don't think Cindy feels any remorse, guilt or shame about any of it. She just wants what she wants. And what she wants is to deal with the situation inside the "family" and how dare... how dare! anyone get into their business.

Stoopid cops, stoopid prosecutors, stoopid Judge. Get outta our business. I know what went down and I'll deal with it as I see fit. We have our own rules, our own laws, our own country, our own universe. Get lost. So sez the Godfather.

P.S. I read on another reputable blog that it rained the evening of the 15th. 1.5 inches of waterfall. It can evidently be seen on some weather tracking site but I can't remember the specifics. If this is true there was no "swimming" that night.

W-O-W!! Simply incredible. You captured the very ESSENCE of this crime- this MURDER... like no one else. Reading your words, I feel like I AM CA!!! (SCARY!!)- But seriously- excellent post; I couldn't agree more, and VERY well-written.:twocents:

 

[beach]

I am copying AZ's post from the "Pool" thread over here because I want to expound and not drive the other thread OT.

Are you guys discussing the new "intentional drowning" theory in here? I can't believe I didn't think of it until TP's news story last night about CM's questioning of Dr. G!

So now this is my new theory, thanks to CM jogging my brain cells. KC puts duct tape on Caylee's mouth--maybe nose--maybe hands--who cares, because the mouth is enough for a toddler who needs water wings and would be panicking----and throws her into the pool to drown ON PURPOSE.

The pool ladder, shovel, and cadaver dog hits in the back yard might tie in to this story. And I think the adipocere on the paper towels would make more sense with a drowning scenario as well!

PLEASE PLEASE if JA or one of the other State Attorneys reads here, make sure that Dr. G gets this possibility into the minds of the jurors. When CM asks her, "Are your findings also consistent with a drowning in the family pool?" she should respond, "They are consistent with the child having been duct taped and thrown into the pool to drown, yes."

ITA, AZ and I cannot believe an intentional drowning has never occurred to me before now. :doh:

Please expound on your statement re: the adipocre on the paper towels making more sense with a drowning scenario. Also, help me explain the high chloroform levels in the trunk. All I can come up with is maybe she had used it previously or else maybe she doused the WTP blanket with chloroform?

 

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I should have posted this over here, I didn't realise.

This is what I always thought happened:

While I believe that ICA and CA had a turbulent relationship, I don't think that ICA intended to murder Caylee. I think after the big fight, she left the house in a big snot with Caylee the way any overindulged, stroppy teenager behaves when they are told "no". After leaving in a huff, where was she to go? Tony liked her like a teenage boy- flat on her back, and was not looking for a wife, much less a wife with a baby daughter. ICA wanted to get away from anyone she ever had to "answer to" in her life, and just be free to be a party girl, especially this night when she wanted to shake off the memories of the fight with CA.

She couldn't drag Caylee into her boyfriend's place because that would ruin the sex & party vibe, so like usual (I believe) she gave Caylee xanax (zanny as slang) to knock her out for a few hours, so she and Tony could get down to business. Except when she eventually went back to the trunk of her car, she realised she gave Caylee too much and she had died.

Now being selfish and stupid the way only an immature, spoiled brat who has never had any personal responsibility can be (after all, CA & GA mainly looked after Caylee, while ICA faffed around free as a bird all day pretending to work), and because her family is so dysfunctional and has believed all her lies for so long because it's better to live in denial and think your family is perfect than really see what is going on (a pregnant teenager who dropped out of high school, a husband secretly more interested in escorts than his wife, a wife who is a control freak and an emotional abuser, and a son who wants nothing to do with his family).... of COURSE she thinks she is so sneaky and smart that she can use her wits to get herself out of the mess she created.

She drives around with the dead body of her baby in the trunk, decomposing in the heat of the Florida sunshine for a few days while she tries to come up with a plan. Eventually, she decides that the only way she will look blameless is to say that Caylee was kidnapped. Everybody feels sorry for the mother of a kidnapped, really pretty baby, right? Her parents will buy it because they've always bought her lies. And because of that, she assumes that she must be pretty smart and far ahead of the entire world, because it's never done her wrong so far in her life: stealing from Grandma, telling her parents she couldn't possibly be pregnant because like Mary, she too was going to have a virgin birth. If they believed all of THAT, why wouldn't they believe her kidnapping story?

So she comes home for gas cans as an excuse to get the duct tape. Dammit, Daddy- stay away from the car! Don't all kidnappers blindfold and cover the mouths of their victims? Gee, all the cop shows & movies she has ever seen have something like that in then, right? That will make it really authentic! People will feel so extra-sorry for her, the poor, poor mother of a kidnapped baby- never in a million years will she be blamed! Maybe Caylee being dead is really a blessing in disguise after all, she thinks. Now she can have the Bella Vita she has always wanted, and she'll move out on her own, and with Caylee gone she can just cut ties with CA for good- there will be no reason now she'll ever have to stay in touch or be under her thumb! The only thing CA was ever good for was watching "the brat" when she wanted to go meet guys and party.

Except getting rid of the body proves harder than she thought. When can she do it? Where will she put it? Could she trust anyone else with her little secret to get a bit of help? She dumps the body in a familiar location with no other thought than she knows for certain that nobody really ever goes in there so it should be a relatively safe graveyard. Then she decides that maybe she'll say that the kidnapping happened when her car ran out of gas like it was prone to do, when she accepted help from a stranger. Or maybe the kidnapping was a carjacking and the carjacker took off with Caylee in the backseat. Then she could just dump the car at Amscot and feign ignorance.

Except the plan went wrong when CA finally caught up with her and dragged her home. She wasn't counting on a face-to-face confrontation again, and because she was also a bit scared because this was such a huge almighty lie, she couldn't get the words out. By the time the police got involved, she regained some of her liar confidence, but chickened out of using the story she originally concocted for whatever reason. Maybe she was slightly intimidated by the police involvement. So she kept some of the details the same as she was put on the spot- the kidnapping, and then the name Zanny which just came off the tip of her tongue. Then it all snowballed from there.

Either way, I hope she sizzles in that chair. And I hope CA and GA aren't too far behind her for all the lying and trying to circumvent justice for their innocent granddaughter. They deserve to be punished for aiding and abetting a murderer.