Theories On What Happened to Caylee Part #7

[Pondering Mind]

YES YES YES! This is exactly my theory as well -- it's so nice to see it in print

I suspect Caylee was probably purposely drown in the bathtub. I, too, think she set her mother up by opening the gate and putting the ladder up. I envision there being a nasty fight on the 15th, and I imagine Cindy called Casey a whole host of things in a fit of rage -- accusing her of being unfit, poor judgement, etc. Casey would get her back by throwing her already "drowned" child in the pool and would set the stage to blame her mother. "SEE, who's the UNFIT PARENT now, Mom??"

But when nobody would answer the calls, she went to plan B, just as you state. HUGE mistake. Why she didn't just call the police and continue with the plan is a mystery, unless she started to cover her tracks and a lot of time started to tick by and she decided better of it.

Maybe she figured that calling Cindy and screaming at her that she left the pool ladder up and Caylee drowned, would cause Cindy to race home and they'd "take care of it together, quietly".

Maybe she started to notice bruise marks at this time on Caylee's arms where she forcibly fought with her in the bathtub. That alone could have made her abandon plan A.

Could be, too, like you said, she had a hot date that night and calling the police over this incident would certainly put a dent in those plans.

I agree..except I just don't believe that Caylee drowned anywhere..pool or bathtub, I just believe that Casey killed her and put her in the pool to make it appear to be an accidental drowning, then made that flurry of phone calls and like you said..thought that would bring Cindy racing home to 'take care of things' and that plan backfired when no one answered the phone..thus forcing her to form a plan b 'the kidnapping' of Caylee..something she formulated over the 31 days. I don't think it ever occurred to Casey that the medical examiner could tell COD..I don't think she ever thought that the police would be called. Ridiculous I know..but Cindy had always made everything bad go away, so why would this be any different?..at least in Casey's mind..and of course imo she put the ladder on and opened the gate to convince Cindy that it was all her fault anyway..

 

[Chablis]

Drugging and taping are the only things that make sense to me. After the tape is applied to her nose and mouth, Caylee would die within a few minutes.

The only way it makes sense is that Casey knocks her out with chloroform, then tapes her up. She is dead within five minutes.

It makes no sense to apply the tape after death.


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Duct tape could be applied after a death in the event the body was discovered, and Casey could have said she was kidnapped and car jacked. I think the duct tape was put on because of that. I am willing to bet Casey is no where on camera buying the components of chloroform, and it just does not make sense- why not drown her on purpose or smother her, or drug her food? Not buying the chloroform theory.

jmo

 

[Celeste]

Sorry to be a dissenter but I do not believe Kaylee had any type of " incident" in the pool.
IF she had, I believe her remains would have been found in a swimsuit or swimsuit/ robe cover.

I believe she was found in exactly what she died in- the pink top which was not known to the Anthony grandparents. Probably something Casey purchased while she was sleeping with Morales and Kaylee was in the bed with them every night.

I recall when this case was first breaking how everyone jumped on the fact that Tony didn't want Kaylee around much, and certainly didn't want her " spending the night" in a 3 bedroom apt. occupied with at least 4 adults, counting Casey, sometimes 5, counting the sofa sleeping friend.

IF Kaylee had drowned, or if she had " Been drowned" by Casey, then she had NO need for Chloroform usage. None whatsoever. IMO, Kaylee would not go to sleep in the car, she was Chloroformed, duct taped on her mouth and probably her nose too. She had no chance to live.

Pre-meditated, intentional murder away from the family home.. Home was " Safe". Home was where Casey wanted to be.. Remember how the parents told her to get out and work? That they would not be Kaylee's babysitters every night while she partied? I think they meant it.. " Tough love" and all that.They probably didn't realize their daughter would kill their beloved grandbaby though. The one person they loved most in the world. It has been asked here if the Anthony GPs loved Kaylee more than Casey. I don't have a problem saying " YES" they did at this point.
Cindy and Casey's body language on Saturday proved a lot to me.. Today's audio taped phone calls and 911 calls is proving that they didn't get along worth a HOOT 3 years ago, either.

IMO,The " pool accident" is an attempt not only to involve the rest of the family in both negligence and a coverup which I don't believe happened, but also means that Casey more than likely would have redressed her child's dead body. I just don't see her doing that at all. Casey has taken the easy, sleazy way out her entire adult life, short as it has been to this point. Sure, she could have drowned her in a nightgown or pj top and some sort of bottoms, but I believe the hair found in the car would have tested positive for high levels of pool chemicals. ( unwashed after the murder).

At this point, no one will ever convince me that Casey didn't murder her child and cover it up for 31 days. She is a narcissistic sociopath. She will do whatever she chooses to do, to hell with the rest of the world. She IS her own world.

BBM

Now that you mention it, it actually would make sense for KC to have changed the baby's clothes in light of her "They haven't even found her clothes" comment.

 

[SeekingJana]

BBM

Now that you mention it, it actually would make sense for KC to have changed the baby's clothes in light of her "They haven't even found her clothes" comment.

Have you ever touched or dressed a deceased person? I did, many times in a former career, because it was the respectful thing to do for the family. It takes a GREAT DEAL of compassion and genuine empathy for the deceased as well as their family to do this. The preceding sentence contains ample reasons why Casey would not undress or redress her dead child, IMO.

As far as her exact sentence goes about " Not even finding her clothing".. If you recall, there was quite a lot of toddler sized clothing which turned up in searches. Probably just co-incidental. I remember one fancy red dress found that was a red herring but led to much searching around water for a few weeks.. We don't know HOW the toddler clothing that turned up ended where it did. If you want to use Casey's one sentence and speculate on the meaning:
For all we know, Casey DID throw out some pieces of used ( by children other than Caylee) or new clothing purchased at thrift stores or other second hand stores which don't have security cameras and are very cheaply priced for this very reason to mislead and misdirect. She could have done this before the first search started. Or had a friend " pose" a ruffled little dress like some of the items found seemed to be posed.
She is quite adept at misleading and misdirecting. Ask the real Zaneida...

However, I do not, in my broadest imagination, which is quite well-developed, see Casey Anthony as capable or INCLINED to touch any part of her dead daughter with her hands after she killed her. Certainly not to do something as genuinely personal as redressing her.

 

[Flossie JMO]

I think ICA put on a big fake show everyday pretending to get ready and go "work". Either GA was in on the charade and didn't make her go through the motions or ICA really did go to "work" with Caylee and drove around the corner and waited until he left.

She would have to waste a lot of gas keeping the car cool enough for them to sit and wait inside of it ... or just driving around aimlessly.

Did she time her leaving for work close to GA so she didn't have to be gone for so long? How one can live such a lie, is beyond me!! :waitasec:

It seemed bizarre to me too. But my fiance lived with an alcoholic. He'd get up, get his work clothes on, hat, etc, and leave. However if my guy had to go back home if he forgot his lunch etc, there was his roomie, sitting in front of tv getting hammered. He also would have friends call him from job sites asking where the roomie was, and yep in front of tv getting trashed. I suspect pretending to work happens more often than I would have thought, for various reasons. Jme/jmo

 

[leophoenix]

Duct tape could be applied after a death in the event the body was discovered, and Casey could have said she was kidnapped and car jacked. I think the duct tape was put on because of that. I am willing to bet Casey is no where on camera buying the components of chloroform, and it just does not make sense- why not drown her on purpose or smother her, or drug her food? Not buying the chloroform theory.

jmo

Chloroform isn't that hard to make. I'm sure the A's had the very common components in the house. I do. Casey thinking ahead about some car jacking explanation doesn't fit her style that much imo.

 

[2goldfish]

Duct tape could be applied after a death in the event the body was discovered, and Casey could have said she was kidnapped and car jacked. I think the duct tape was put on because of that. I am willing to bet Casey is no where on camera buying the components of chloroform, and it just does not make sense- why not drown her on purpose or smother her, or drug her food? Not buying the chloroform theory.

jmo

I have "the components" of chloroform in my kitchen right now, they are not rare items nor unusual nor hard to come by. I bought one of them so long ago that there wouldnt be CCTV of it even here in big brother britain.


just sayin.

 

[Chablis]

Chloroform isn't that hard to make. I'm sure the A's had the very common components in the house. I do. Casey thinking ahead about some car jacking explanation doesn't fit her style that much imo.

Yes, but MOST people when planning a murder, have a spot to put the body, they don't drive around with it. Casey the scientist really does not fit into anything related towards her. There were so many ways she could have killed her daughter, IF she did. jmo

 

[Themis]

Yes, but MOST people when planning a murder, have a spot to put the body, they don't drive around with it. Casey the scientist really does not fit into anything related towards her. There were so many ways she could have killed her daughter, IF she did. jmo

As to the argument that she didn't plan a murder -- premeditated murder only takes an instant of premeditation. It can happen in seconds. It does not take a lengthy period of time and an elaborate plan.

Exposed to the elements in the heat of summer, a body will be reduced to a skeleton in just one month. Dry climates help preserve bodies. Damp, humid climates like Florida's speed up the decomposition process. Assuming a murderer would want the body to not exist, what better way to get rid of a body then in a humid climate than to leave it exposed to the elements?

 

[guitasjm]

Just a thought.. but maybe a good one,,, if it hasnt been discussed before.. knowing that KC had snuck back during the 31 days and presume KLE died on said day,,,, CA was sure she put up ladder... etc... if KC wanted to, after finding KLE dead... ssneak back, during late/wee early hrs... put ladder up, unlock gate and leave it.... thus the confusion from the CA and GA... as well as CA comments to coworkers?? knowing ICA is sneaky and capable of such insane 'things'... to me... this is quite plausible..rather then the DT's B.S...Just MO....

 

[MommyPlatt]

Maybe she planned to put the body in the pool and make it look like an accidental drowning.

 

[guitasjm]

and to that... CA found her doll AND the backpack that GA said they left with.... if anyone were to cover this insanity up.. let alone a retired det.... SURELY there would not be the backpack in the car that no one but ICA had.... you know.. this is all just sickening... and now i sit here, on our 11th anniversary watching MY wife cry over and for, someone.. CA, and for KLEE..as well as for the sheer fact that ICA is without emotion and cant understand how any person can be so void of feeling...

 

[MDdetective]

That's pretty close to it, TakeNote.

Not specifying that Caylee went into the trunk. Maybe. Maybe not.

And Casey may have been thinking that she would take Caylee over to Ricardo's later that evening (i.e. after a movie) not immediately, and was just checking w/ Amy to see when she should plan on doing it. Make sense? Recall that Casey had broken w/ Ricardo...so making a plan that had the two of them spending the night @ Ricardo & Amy's would require she work directly w/ Amy. Hence, this call to Amy is pretty important in establishing the possibility of Casey's plans for later in the evening. This scenario would have Casey thinking something like, "It'll only be for a couple of hours...no biggie." :furious:

I could spin off on possible variations of the details (and have so often before) :bang: But will resist the urge to explore all the different possibilities for now as other's weigh in.

Very interesting theory Bond. In Amy H. testimony she did say their relationship (Casey and RM) was on again-off again. Plus Casey had stayed there when Tone was in NY. Perhaps she drugged Caylee as you said 'only be for a couple of hours' and used the tape as back up. IDK but I like your theory.

 

[MDdetective]

Just a thought.. but maybe a good one,,, if it hasnt been discussed before.. knowing that KC had snuck back during the 31 days and presume KLE died on said day,,,, CA was sure she put up ladder... etc... if KC wanted to, after finding KLE dead... ssneak back, during late/wee early hrs... put ladder up, unlock gate and leave it.... thus the confusion from the CA and GA... as well as CA comments to coworkers?? knowing ICA is sneaky and capable of such insane 'things'... to me... this is quite plausible..rather then the DT's B.S...Just MO....

Hmmmm you're right. Casey was known to be sneaking in and out in the house (Gas cans) You may be on to something.

 

[guitasjm]

if... ICA..went back to borrow the shovel..... couldnt SHE , ICA... at the same time, same day as borrowing shovel.... have, after realizing cant bury kid there...hence, had put KLE down... why the dog hit there... cant bury her....gives back shovel... goes BACK, puts KLE back in trunk.. BUT.... to try the drowning thing... puts the ladder up and UNLOCKS the gate and leaves it open KNOWING that she would use that excuse later.....she calculated many stories and this would have only been another one for her to spin as it is now spinning.. but.. sadly for ICA... is not working...MO

 

[RueMoira]

Here's what I think happened....on last day Caylee was seen KC chloroformed Caylee and duct taped her mouth shut...plus put a little heart sticker since she is evil..but I digress...then decided to put her in the pool to stage an accidental drowning. She put the ladder up and then placed Caylee on the ground in that area...which is why the dogs hit on it. She then realized that she could not remove the tape from the hair with pulling it out or cutting it. This would point to abuse or homicide so she bags up the body and leaves with the body. She stashes Caylee somewhere. However, she must later move the body for some reason and places it back in trunk and heads home to either plant evidence on George and Cindy or to get something. George is unexpectedly home, tries to see in her trunk and she panics. Gives him back the gas cans and heads out again this time dumping the badly decomposing body off the side of the road, where it is found many months later by RK. Just my opinion.

 

[Anais]

I truly now believe that ICA killed Caylee in a fit of rage. I do absolutely believe that she was originally planning to off her mom, dad and Caylee only to return home to the horror of it all and find them. Oh poor ICA-what she found and would have to live through! Something we aren't hearing prompted her to take leave with Caylee and she killed her in a fit of rage. I firmly believe that she either did return home with a dead Caylee and maybe was going to attempt it to look like a drowning but it failed, or she placed Caylee's body in the playhouse. This would be why the dogs picked up the scent.

IMHO she was trying for quite some time to work in an angle of George being the one or at the very least involved, hence the statements to Amy H. about George driving her car and must have hit some animal. This was the smell or so she thought.

 

[Chablis]

I think that Casey was just such a liar she said things and made promises, but when it came down to it, plans changed and it was everyone fault but hers, I am sure thats how she was going to explain it to Amy about moving in. I donot believe she was planning on going on a killing spree. Her parents were of more use to her alive then dead. When Caylee died she couldnt stay there and mooch off of them without Caylee, hence her disappearing act.

jmo

 

[Tuffy]

Duct tape could be applied after a death in the event the body was discovered, and Casey could have said she was kidnapped and car jacked. I think the duct tape was put on because of that. I am willing to bet Casey is no where on camera buying the components of chloroform, and it just does not make sense- why not drown her on purpose or smother her, or drug her food? Not buying the chloroform theory.

jmo

The duct tape doesn't look like a kidnapping, it looks like a murder. The kidnapper wouldn't have been able to get the tape off her without cutting her hair. I wouldn't matter anyway, because Caylee would have been dead within minutes of being kidnapped if they put the tape over the mouth and nose!

There is no reason to duct tape a deceased person.

Chloroform is acetone (aka, nail polish remover), ice, and bleach. Nothing real exotic.

 

[Rallihanna]

IMO - I think ICA made a mistake. She put chloroform to Caylee's mouth and then duct taped it to keep her quiet. She might not have realized that duct tape, on a small child, would cover both airways and therefore result in suffication. Was it intentional? No... Was it murder? Yes.