Theory #2: Family Abduction by George Waters with George Brody and/or Associates

[HeartofTexas]

I'm not sure if this has been discovered before but I just found a George Brody who was a senior at Meyers H.S. in Wilkes-Barre, PA in 1941. If you go to this url, he is 2nd from the right in the back row in the group picture. Look carefully at the picture as it's loading because after the picture fully loads, all of the pix become much smaller.

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nepaphotos/1941meyers/1941%20Page%208.jpg

Does anyone know enough about George's face to see any similarity in this picture?
Being a senior in high school in 1941 does somewhat substantiate a DOB in 1925.

I'm now going to look for his senior picture in this yearbook to see if we can get a better look at his face. I'll be right back with anything I find.

 

[HeartofTexas]

Here's his high school senior picture... again, look closely at his picture as it's loading because it's easier to see. It says something to the effect that he didn't have much of a sense of humor, which would certainly apply to our George Brody! However, from what I recall of our George Brody's face, that doesn't look enough like him.

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nepaphotos/1941meyers/1941%20Page%209.jpg

 

[HeartofTexas]

Should this be our Geo. Brody, there is also a younger girl in the school who would have graduated in 1945. Her name is Miria Brody. I'm including that info just in case we later think it's worth pursuing this Geo. Brody to help us with any genealogy information.

 

[HeartofTexas]

In reviewing Doogie's pix of George Brody from 4-74, to compare them with the above George Brody from Wilkes-Barre, PA, I just want to comment that the man shown in the pix in 1974 no more looks like he was born in 1925 than a man in the moon. My best guess is that he was easily in his 70's when that picture was taken, and at the very best was in his late 60's. That is NOT a young man in those pix, and if he was born in 1925, he would have been 49 years old in 1974. No way was he 49 in those pix.

Also, his ears are quite large in the pix, and while ears do continue to grow as we age, they don't look like the ears of the Brody from Wilkes-Barre.

I find this case so frustrating! Every time I think I get a decent nibble, it turns out to be nothing. Back to the drawing board.

 

[Dr. Doogie]

I find this case so frustrating! Every time I think I get a decent nibble, it turns out to be nothing. Back to the drawing board.

As the song says:

"Welcome to my world. Won't you come on in..."

I had looked into this GB before and came to the same conclusions that you did. It also appears that there is a George Brody continuing to reside in Wilkes-Barre, PA today who is probably this Brody. I didn't want to stop you from looking into him because you could have always come up with something new and you did: Miria Brody. Did you notice post #276's mention of a Marion Brody? Might be the same person and perhaps a sister?

 

[HeartofTexas]

That's one of my biggest problems with some of the forum cases with so many facts, and with old age! I forget more than I remember. Sometimes I have a niggling feeling that I've read something before (as is the case of the Wilkes-Barre Brody), but it takes so much time to search thru all of the posts to verify I've heard it before, that I normally just pursue it and hope that it hasn't been discussed before. Same thing with Miria... that name or phonetic sound rang a bell with me, but I couldn't place it.

I'll try to re-group and find a new George Brody to stalk!

 

[Annasmom]

That's one of my biggest problems with some of the forum cases with so many facts, and with old age! I forget more than I remember. Sometimes I have a niggling feeling that I've read something before (as is the case of the Wilkes-Barre Brody), but it takes so much time to search thru all of the posts to verify I've heard it before, that I normally just pursue it and hope that it hasn't been discussed before. Same thing with Miria... that name or phonetic sound rang a bell with me, but I couldn't place it.
I'll try to re-group and find a new George Brody to stalk!

But don't you think it's amazing that someone could live a whole life and leave as few traces as this man did? I once overheard the two Georges saying something about "going to see the Rock" and I've wondered ever since whether it was Alcatraz, Gibraltar, some boxer, some movie, St. Peter's in Rome, etc., etc., etc. It seems as if everything they said or did just leads into an endless maze.

 

[Dr. Doogie]

I once overheard the two Georges saying something about "going to see the Rock" and I've wondered ever since whether it was Alcatraz, Gibraltar, some boxer, some movie, St. Peter's in Rome, etc., etc., etc. .

Funny you mentioned that...

In the same place where Joe Ford's notes mentioned that Brody had been a boxer, it makes reference to "the Rock". I did not mention it because it was vague enough to confuse, not clarify any potential any investigation. It could be a reference to Rocky Marciano (who was known as the Rock), or perhaps it was Brody's ring nickname (boxers are notorious for not having imagination - ever notice how many "Sugar Ray's" there were?)

 

[Dr. Doogie]

For all of you who are perhaps becoming frustrated with a perceived lack of progress on this case, let me reassure you that we are getting closer.

I am preparing to approach the San Mateo Sheriff Dept. with the a request to investigate the following:

Margaret Kukoda (the woman who lived with Brody prior to Brody living with Waters) died in 1967. Brody evidently handled her estate including her personal effects and papers. Margaret's Social Security number is evidently still considered active by the SSA. Evidently, they show the user as a "Kay Kukoda", not Margaret. These factoids lead me to be very suspicious of this SSN.

This may be how GW and GB were able to hide Anna as far as a paper trail - she became "Kay Kukoda", complete with a SSN. What I would like the SMCS to investigate is any activity on Margaret's SSN after 1967 (in particular, after 1973). If there is activity on it, we may have direct proof of what happened, and even better, an actual paper trail of who Anna is today.

I have been investigating (along with some of the researchers here on WS) a relative of Margaret who is the same age as Anna. She has a name that is similar to "Kay Kukoda" (due to both TOS and other concerns, I do not want to post her actual name here now). If we can tie employment (and/or) school records on Margaret's SSN to this relative's known history, then I believe that we will have found Anna.

There is a lot of loose ends with the above scenario that need to wrapped up before it is solid enough to present to LE, but we are making progress at making that happen. If any of you WSers have access to background/employment checks, please PM me and I can provide additional details necessary to do such a investigation. The more that we can do, the more likely that LE will followup on this and finally bring Anna home.

 

[HeartofTexas]

Margaret's Social Security number is evidently still considered active by the SSA. Evidently, they show the user as a "Kay Kukoda", not Margaret. These factoids lead me to be very suspicious of this SSN.

That's a very interesting development, Doogie. Thanks for letting us know.

 

[laini]

How exciting! Dr. Doogie, Is this person whose name is similar to Kay Kukoda believed to be in Pennsylvania? Or do we know where she is?

 

[Dr. Doogie]

Is this person whose name is similar to Kay Kukoda believed to be in Pennsylvania? Or do we know where she is?

No, and yes. And I should point out, even if this woman who we are looking at is not Anna, if we have activity on the SSN after 1973, then we may still be able to find Anna that way.

 

[mbroemsen]

Doogie,

I called the SSA today and spoke to a very nice lady. Here is what came out of the conversation:

1) She is only allowed to tell us if the person with the number has been reported dead - and if so, the location. She could not tell me anything, to the number is definately still open.

2) She said that there is a law today that mortuaries, etc are requierd to report the deaths, but that wasnt the case years ago. she didnt know exactly when that went into effect. When I asked her how common it would for a death from that time to be unreported, she "couldnt say" - but left me with the impression that it was somewhat unusual.

3) She suggested obtaining a court order.

I am still working a couple of other angles to see if I can get the info

 

[Dr. Doogie]

I have been looking into the thoroughness of the SSDI and it appears to not be "all-inclusive". It only does include those who were reported dead to the SSA. This is why both Brody and Waters are not listed there either.

If the lack of Margaret's inclusion on the SSDI was the only issue, I could dismiss it as not suspicious, but when you factor in the incorrect first name attached to the number, it raises my eyebrows quite a bit (which is not a pretty sight). If anyone has ideas or suggestions on how to obtain the activity records of this SSN, please let me know.

 

[GraceBlue]

Wow!!! As a longtime lurker of this thread (I wasnt able to get registered until recently) way to go Doogie!! I certainly hope this is Anna! My heart goes out to her family who has been waiting for too long for her to come home.

 

[Dr. Doogie]

Wow!!! As a longtime lurker of this thread (I wasnt able to get registered until recently) way to go Doogie!!

Both I and my extremely-oversized ego appreciate the comment, but any credit for the progress on this front needs to go to the dedicated researchers who have been working behind the scenes and have uncovered the various clues that have started to come together into a possible solution. Some I can name, but others have provided information that has made it such that they should remain anonymous. However, you all know who you are and your input has been invaluable.

But please remember that this may be a red herring. We have had promising leads in the past that have turned into duds very quickly, and this may also happen here. I hesitated posting this much information in the public forum, but I sense a feeling of futility by a lot of the sleuthers out there in the wake of the Delia Cly fiasco. I wanted you to know that real progress has been made on a real case, and that some very promising lines of investigation are being explored as a result of the hard work that folks have put into this case.

 

[Dr. Doogie]

Concerning the name "Kay Kukoda" that seems to be the name currently associated with this SSN: Margaret did use some alias that we are aware of, one of which was "Mary Kay", but at no time did she use the combination of "Kay Kukoda" that we are aware of.

One of the frustrating things about this search, we as civilians are only able to access information through third-party sites that may or may not be accurate (as compared to LE that can obtain the original SSA files). I spoke to retired detective acquaintance this last weekend and he stated that LE should be able to access this information directly from the SSA without a supeana - the SSA provides this info to LE if they are working any case that this info would be relevant to. It was his opinion that we probably have enough to warrant getting the information, but I am not convinced that we have enough to get the SMCS department to want to access the data. That is why I am trying to get as much info as we can before I approach them to get involved.

 

[smile22]

i was thinking the same thing about the ss number if this margaret women died then why is her ss still in use unless she was using someone elses ss at the time. but then again the names to weird for me.. i had ss issues this past summer as a women got a hold of my ss number and used it to gain a credit card it took a while but everything is all good now. le should def look into it

 

[Dr. Doogie]

Just to reiterate: We do not know that if there has been activity on the number since Margaret's death. What we do know is that the number is still listed as active (not closed due to death) and that the first name associated with that number does not match any known names used by Margaret. The missing link is if there has been activity on the number since Margaret's death.

 

[Dr. Doogie]

We have gotten one preliminary report that there has been no activity on Margaret Kukoda's SSN since her death in 1967. This was through a third-party information provider and is not definitive, but is somewhat disappointing. We are trying a couple of different approaches to obtain this info and will see where the evidence leads us (hopefully not off the cliff!).