Theory #2: Family Abduction by George Waters with George Brody and/or Associates

[Annasmom]

I might have missed this posted somewhere but where are the Georges buried? Were they buried or cremated? What funeral home handled their burial or cremation?

I don't find the death certificates in my files, so they must be in the BFH. Doogie, when you can stand to dig in there again...? Both were cremated, Brody somewhere in Oakland.

 

[Annasmom]

I am very new at researching things, however I have found this website

www.familysearch.org which is from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints International online database. It is very extensive, and will pull up any and all variations of the name 'Brody' including DOB, DOD place of birth and burial, it shows all countries, and census...for those '.more experienced researchers' it might be worth looking at, I have looked for George Brody there and found some very interesting info, lots of entries...and spellings

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Thanks, tuitsweet. I know genealogists use the LDS database quite a lot.

 

[Dr. Doogie]

I don't find the death certificates in my files, so they must be in the BFH. Doogie, when you can stand to dig in there again...? Both were cremated, Brody somewhere in Oakland.

I have death certificates for Brody, Waters and Margaret Kukoda. All three were cremated. I believe that Waters' ashes were release to Waters' brother. No record was found for what was done with GB's remains.

 

[tuitsweet]

Is it possible that GW's brother would be willing to share the personal effects (papers) of GW? I apologize if this has been asked before...

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[Dr. Doogie]

Is it possible that GW's brother would be willing to share the personal effects (papers) of GW? I apologize if this has been asked before...

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He already has. He collected all of GW's paper shortly after his death and gave them to Joe Ford so that the family would have the ability to examine them for clues. That is what the Box from Hell is.

George Waters seems to have been very organized for someone who was crazy as a loon. He maintained meticulous records of his transactions (bills, alimony/child support payments, banking records, personal correspondence, etc.). It is odd then the gap of records that exists around the time of 1972-74. There are some items relating to this period, but nothing like the periods prior to and following this period. This is telling!

Annasmom: you have mentioned that GW destroyed some personal effects after Brody's death and prior to his suicide. Do you recall where you got that info? This gap in info may be as a result of that house-cleaning and could tell us why he felt it necessary to cleanse records from this era only (as compared to destroying all personal papers).

 

[Annasmom]

He already has. He collected all of GW's paper shortly after his death and gave them to Joe Ford so that the family would have the ability to examine them for clues. That is what the Box from Hell is.

George Waters seems to have been very organized for someone who was crazy as a loon. He maintained meticulous records of his transactions (bills, alimony/child support payments, banking records, personal correspondence, etc.). It is odd then the gap of records that exists around the time of 1972-74. There are some items relating to this period, but nothing like the periods prior to and following this period. This is telling!

Annasmom: you have mentioned that GW destroyed some personal effects after Brody's death and prior to his suicide. Do you recall where you got that info? This gap in info may be as a result of that house-cleaning and could tell us why he felt it necessary to cleanse records from this era only (as compared to destroying all personal papers).

I must have gotten this from his brother via Joe Ford and can't tell you how they knew, unless there were lots of empty file folders around.

 

[Dr. Doogie]

I must have gotten this from his brother via Joe Ford and can't tell you how they knew, unless there were lots of empty file folders around.

Because of the secretive nature of these two, that would be about the only way that someone could have made that statement. It makes sense.

 

[Shadow205]

I have death certificates for Brody, Waters and Margaret Kukoda. All three were cremated. I believe that Waters' ashes were release to Waters' brother. No record was found for what was done with GB's remains.

The death certificates should list the funeral home. Are they still in business? Is it possible that they could have some record of what happened to GB & Margarets remains? It would be worth checking if it hasn't already been done, might just find out that someone claimed their remains.

 

[smile22]

someone posted that they found a website on boxing clubs and stuff what if u sent a picture of brody to them and someone recognizes him

 

[kyresearcher]

someone posted that they found a website on boxing clubs and stuff what if u sent a picture of brody to them and someone recognizes him

I found this forum were there are names of boxers in the 1920-30's. These are the light weight/bantanweight boxers. If someone would like to go into it and read they may be able to find out something. My eye won't let me do much reading but there are boxers listed and some provide info as where they are from, weight, who they fought and their boxing history. Someone might be able to tell you if they remember anyone with the name GB if you wanted to post on this site.http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/board/archive/index.php/t-51689.html

 

[mysteriew]

I found this forum were there are names of boxers in the 1920-30's. These are the light weight/bantanweight boxers. If someone would like to go into it and read they may be able to find out something. My eye won't let me do much reading but there are boxers listed and some provide info as where they are from, weight, who they fought and their boxing history. Someone might be able to tell you if they remember anyone with the name GB if you wanted to post on this site.http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/board/archive/index.php/t-51689.html

The comment was made referring to Brody as the 'Great Entertainer'. Could that have been his boxing name?

 

[SherlockJr]

There is a restaurant in San Mateo called The Great Entertainer.

 

[mfmangel1]

Thinking GB would still be in PA. during his boxing career days, I found this site:

http://www.phillyboxinghistory.com/

But no luck in finding anything.

 

[natasha-cupcake]

I found this forum were there are names of boxers in the 1920-30's. These are the light weight/bantanweight boxers. If someone would like to go into it and read they may be able to find out something. My eye won't let me do much reading but there are boxers listed and some provide info as where they are from, weight, who they fought and their boxing history. Someone might be able to tell you if they remember anyone with the name GB if you wanted to post on this site.http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/board/archive/index.php/t-51689.html

I think this is a good idea. But in addition to asking people to recall a boxer NAMED George Brody, I think we should try finding old pictures of boxers to compare to our pics of GB. I would bet my life that his real name was nothing close to "George Brody".

 

[smile22]

Thinking GB would still be in PA. during his boxing career days, I found this site:

http://www.phillyboxinghistory.com/

But no luck in finding anything.

i sent them an email with a link to my yahoo photo i have of brody that i used on a genological website under surname brody. im not that great at sending an email out to get their attention but i mentioned he was a boxer a little bit on annas case how he knew her father some possible refrences to his boxing like the rock, rocky, the great entertainer and such.. ill give them a week to respond back to me and post up with my findings.

i went to the website to do some digging i didnt look at every picture i started with all the georges. none of them were our george maybe someone who has the time to look at every picture on there we might make some more progress ( computer is slow at times and takes forever for things to load up)

 

[HeartofTexas]

I found something a bit unusual this morning... unusual in that there aren't enough clues to tie it in with our GB, and also because it was on a psychics page! But the parallels are interesting:

Question
what happen to my missing brother George since 1981?

I wonder if prior to his death George Brody was in touch (maybe by mail or phone calls) with any of his family? I wonder if when both Georges died within two weeks of each other that there was no one left to be in touch with GB's family. I realize the likelihood that the above is not our GB, but it does make me wonder if he was in touch with his family, and if records of letters or phone calls to family might have been some of the things that GW destroyed prior to his suicide.

 

[tuitsweet]

Thinking GB would still be in PA. during his boxing career days, I found this site:

http://www.phillyboxinghistory.com/

But no luck in finding anything.

I looked at ALL the pictures of these boxers...and there were several I thought 'could be' a close resemblance to GB...the most eerie resemblance was this one, on the second page 'more boxers' AL GORDON' he was active during 1921-1932 as a Jr. Lightweight, and looks the right height, although there are no vitals with this info

Only a couple of these are close enough to 'really' look at, perhaps Dr. Doogie could look at these and give us his opinion?

on page 1, column 1 #7-Joe Borrell ( ears looked right to me)
on page 1, column 2 # 5- George LaRover

at the bottom of the page in the center is a link to more boxers for more lists..

2nd page column 1, #35 Young Erne (Hugh Clavin)
2nd page column 1, # 50 AL GORDON this one looks eerily like GB to me...so please Dr. Doogie could you look at this one?

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[tuitsweet]

I know this has been asked 1000 times

How can I post this picture I found of the boxer so everyone can see it here?

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[smile22]

I looked at ALL the pictures of these boxers...and there were several I thought 'could be' a close resemblance to GB...the most eerie resemblance was this one, on the second page 'more boxers' AL GORDON' he was active during 1921-1932 as a Jr. Lightweight, and looks the right height, although there are no vitals with this info

Only a couple of these are close enough to 'really' look at, perhaps Dr. Doogie could look at these and give us his opinion?

on page 1, column 1 #7-Joe Borrell ( ears looked right to me)
on page 1, column 2 # 5- George LaRover

at the bottom of the page in the center is a link to more boxers for more lists..

2nd page column 1, #35 Young Erne (Hugh Clavin)
2nd page column 1, # 50 AL GORDON this one looks eerily like GB to me...so please Dr. Doogie could you look at this one?

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george LaRover died in 02/23/91 impossible for him to be our george

 

[SherlockJr]

Check out Bobby Wolgast!

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