Theory #2: Family Abduction by George Waters with George Brody and/or Associates

[PonderingThings]

Ahhh ok! I'm on board now!

 

[Dr. Doogie]

I cannot find the pages where Kaballanarism is discussed. If any one has the time and patience to review the sticky, could they post what page it started on. Thanks!

 

[petra]

ok, think i got it. in europe we use a period instead of comma in money. latin term c with line for or with. p with line is latin for per or about.

1.Contact ??(monday)(monte) per Final arrangements with L's (lawyers)have been made(jan 1973)
2. Apply for $100,000 with Anna Christian Efffie as Benificary.
3.3 months later negotiate increase to $500,000 still with ACE as benificiary.
4. 3 months later change beneficiary.

_ under letter means capital

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what if number 1-had to do with arranged kidnapping and not insurance policy?
L's being possible last name of kidnappers?

 

[PonderingThings]

KT Can posted on page 11 of the original thread about the Kaballians. The "weirdo" sect is primairly a Western Canada group.

There is another group, which is an "offshoot" of Jewish religion and it has ties to Montreal - but they are not the same as the group KT Can was talking about.

Hello to all. As you can see I am a long-long time lurker but not a big poster. I have however always been interested in Anna's case and I've been very excited by the recent activity on this thread.

PonderingThings previously posted about Anna's name being a "mirror image" name and that got me to thinking about the name Eifee. I truly believe that this name change is a very significant piece of the puzzle. I did some research on Eifee and ending up finding the mirror image name "Eefie" on a website for the Kabalarians. Kabalarianism is a religous sect founded in Vancouver in the 1930's. A central tenet of Kabalarian Philosophy is numerology, the belief in the mystical powers of numbers. Many Kabalarians change their names hoping to secure the benefits that names with greater numerological significance will supposedly confer upon them.

Anna's father and George Brody used numerology as the reason for wanting to add the name Eifee to Anna's. Maybe George at one time was a follower of this group or maybe George hails from Canada. This could explain his being untraceable in the United Sates. The Kabalarians are a shady group who's former leader was involved in sexual abuse scandals (I'm sorry to say) and they were known to have a location in California.

http://www.kabalarians.com/cfm/DisplayNameAnalysis.cfm

http://www.bcskeptics.info/calendar/1996.03.22.html

 

[PonderingThings]

ok, think i got it. in europe we use a period instead of comma . latin term c with line for or with. p with line is latin for per or about.

1.Contact ??(monday) per Final arrangements with lawyers have been made (Jan 1973)
2. Apply for 100,00 with Anna Christian Efffie as Benificary.
3.3 months later negotiate increase to $500,000 still with ACE as benificiary.
4. 3 months later change beneficiary.

_ under letter means capital

Petra I think you cracked it! In your above quoted words I added the 1973 date to 1.

So... what final arrangements were made with the lawyers???? Was Anna's "adoption" set for January 1973?

Dr. Doogie is there any reference to who Water's lawyers were in the box from hell??????

 

[petra]

hi PT--went back and edited my post a bit...see what you think?

 

[SherlockJr]

A family member who is in the medical field believes the "c" with line over it is an abbreviation for "with" , and the "p" with line over it is short for "about".

 

[Annasmom]

Also from the Box From Hell: I found a small section torn out what appears to be the SF Chronicle from the day before the presidential election in 1972 (early November). Evidently, what was of interest to whoever saved this scrap was either an obituary on one side for "Paul Jerome Farrell", Hattie Maude Gauthier", Jim Rock", "Frederick Smith" or Violet F. Snyder", or on the other side of the sheet, it lists an ad for Gus Hall, the Communist Party candidate for President and a few listings of political events such as fund-raisers for the McGovern /Shriver campaign and The Committee for the Re-Election of the President, and a "victory celebration" for the Socialist Workers Party. I know that GW held strong pacifist beliefs and had protested the war in Viet Nam.

Annasmom, do you know if he was a member or active in any political organiztions that might be related to the above information?

Gosh, Doogie, I leave the house for one afternoon and all sorts of things happen! George's sister is president of the Socialist Workers' Party (Trotskyists). I don't know that he was in touch with her, and I suspect that this newspaper clipping was just a way of noticing that she might be in town and might try to contact him. I don't think that she was in any way involved with Anna's disappearance, and I don't think she knew what kind of trouble George was in.

Regarding the note: My God! You've just about got it figured out without my input. The p means "regarding" and the c with a line means "with", as several others have already told you. When you post the scanned copy, maybe I will be able to make out some of the other words. I can't believe he left this note among the papers after destroying so many others.

 

[petra]

Gosh, Doogie, I leave the house for one afternoon and all sorts of things happen! George's sister is president of the Socialist Workers' Party (Trotskyists). I don't know that he was in touch with her, and I suspect that this newspaper clipping was just a way of noticing that she might be in town and might try to contact him. I don't think that she was in any way involved with Anna's disappearance, and I don't think she knew what kind of trouble George was in.

Regarding the note: My God! You've just about got it figured out without my input. The p means "regarding" and the c with a line means "with", as several others have already told you. When you post the scanned copy, maybe I will be able to make out some of the other words. I can't believe he left this note among the papers after destroying so many others.

hi annasmom--see post 70-doggie scanned it in--

 

[petra]

A family member who is in the medical field believes the "c" with line over it is an abbreviation for "with" , and the "p" with line over it is short for "about".

yes, agreed..latin
sherlock--you have been doing some great sleuthing!! i am so impressed.

have been reading but had no internet cconnection for a month. if you can check my posts above....interested to see what you think

 

[PonderingThings]

Petra even clearer - great work!

So... any idea who "L" is? A family member?

 

[Dr. Doogie]

I think that we have cracked it - except for the most important part of it: who are the"L's"? It may be "lawyers" or it could be the initials of someone else involved in this scheme (the couple in the car?).

The two Georges had numerous accidental death policies on Waters with Brody as the beneficiary - why was this one so special that it would require a "plan". And what "final arrangements" needed to be made if this is just them buying yet another policy. No, the insurance policies are are subsequent steps in this plan which starts with something that was to occur in January 1973.

I have always thought that GW and GB were the most likely suspects in Anna's disappearance, but let me say something that I have been reluctant to say up to this point: THE S.O.B.'s DID IT!!!!! I believe that this note can only be explained by viewing it through the lens of Anna's disappearance, and it was written prior to her disappearance (which means they knew before hand).

 

[petra]

Doogie, you are amazing.:dance: I have been reading this all along with no way to post--frustrating.

I think you are right on with this assesment. Question about the name Christian-is it a family name, maiden name, religion, named after someone--usually a boy's name here in norway. that is why i was wondering where it came from.

The BFH is providing some interesting tidbits--curious as to what annasmom has to say about the actual note.

Keep up the great work doogie and other sleuths--great to be back posting.

 

[MagicRose99]

I have to agree Doogie! You are amazing!

I hate to say it... but if those 2 were involved with taking her... God help us all.

 

[SherlockJr]

oh, gee, somewhere in all these posts, doogie or annasmom has listed things that anna would have remembered. I can't find this post. I am e-mailing a woman in california who says there were no adoption record on her and I would like to include some things in the e-mail to jog her memory. Help me out!

 

[petra]

oh, gee, somewhere in all these posts, doogie or annasmom has listed things that anna would have remembered. I can't find this post. I am e-mailing a woman in california who says there were no adoption record on her and I would like to include some things in the e-mail to jog her memory. Help me out!

hi super sherlock--try around post 405-pg 16 of locked thread

 

[petra]

hi super sherlock--try around post 405-pg 16 of locked thread

no , post412, pg 17

 

[SherlockJr]

thanks petra!

 

[petra]

thanks petra!

you are welcome, sherlock.

good luck with e-mail.

 

[Annasmom]

Here is the link for the scan of the note:

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/drdoogief/detail?.dir=aac9&.dnm=d160.jpg&.src=ph

Doogie, the note is definitely GW's handwriting. Here's what I think it says:
1. Contact MONY (possibly Mutual of New York) regarding Final arrangements with L's have been made. (Jan. 1973)
2. Apply for $100,000 with ACE as Beneficiary (in Greek numerals, they use a period instead of a comma to mark off thousands; GW usually did it this way.)
3. 3 months later negotiate increase to 5. Still with ACE
4. 3 mos later change B.