this is my opinion of course

[BlueCrab]

Yes BC, but that story would be that none of them could be ruled conclusively as the writer of the note. None of the 3's handwriting was anywhere close to it.

We only know the results of John's and Patsy's handwriting exams. John's was apparently 5.0 (eliminated as the writer) and Patsy's was around 4.0 to 4.5 (almost eliminated as the writer). Burke's results were never released.

JMO

 

[little1]

It can be done by the process of elimination. ONE of the three Ramseys in the house that night killed JonBenet or knows who killed her. If exculpatory evidence can be developed for two of them, then the third one is the likely killer.

For instance, if they'd publicly release the results of all three handwriting examinations (John's, Patsy's and Burke's) it would, IMO, tell a story all of its own if two could be definitely eliminated as the writer.

JMO

You cannot prosecute a case susccessfully with an assumption or a likely result.

 

[BlueCrab]

You cannot prosecute a case susccessfully with an assumption or a likely result.

IMO the case will never be prosecuted anyway, because kids too young to prosecute are involved. Also, the judge probably wouldn't let the handwriting analyses in as evidence. But out here in the world of web sleuths we'd know who the likely killer is if two of the Ramseys could be eliminated as the writer of the RN and the third Ramsey couldn't. ONE of those three Ramseys killed JonBenet or knows who killed her.

JMO

 

[sissi]

IMO the case will never be prosecuted anyway, because kids too young to prosecute are involved. Also, the judge probably wouldn't let the handwriting analyses in as evidence. But out here in the world of web sleuths we'd know who the likely killer is if two of the Ramseys could be eliminated as the writer of the RN and the third Ramsey couldn't. ONE of those three Ramseys killed JonBenet or knows who killed her.

JMO

Who scored higher than Patsy Ramsey in a match? Was it Beckner or Hunter who said others scored higher? Who were they? Was one Santa?
IMO

 

[Barbara]

Who scored higher than Patsy Ramsey in a match? Was it Beckner or Hunter who said others scored higher? Who were they? Was one Santa?
IMO

The whole "scoring" system is bogus. The only person to use that system seems to be the graphologist "they" hired. Nobody else ever had a numerical system (that I know of)

 

[Seeker]

Barbara, wasn't that info confirmed by the Secret Svc?
I thought I saw something about that somewhere.

In fact the only people who tried to say it absolutely was Patsy's writing were Hoffman and his hired experts.

 

[BlueCrab]

In fact the only people who tried to say it absolutely was Patsy's writing were Hoffman and his hired experts.

That's correct to the best of my knowledge also. The six examiners the CBI used came to the conclusion that it was a very low probability that Patsy wrote the RN.

The numerical system used by the CBI when examining the 73 suspects actually came from Alex Hunter. Handwriting analyses border on the subjective side and he wanted an objective scoring system that weighed the results of the exams on a scale from 1 to 5, with 5 elimination as the writer.

It was Lin Wood who got Gideon Epstein to admit under oath during a deposition that there were others who had scored lower than Patsy during the exams.

JMO

 

[Ivy]

I wouldn't care how many experts ended up testifying that Patsy's handwriting doesn't match the writing on the note. I've seen the exemplars and there is no doubt in my mind that Patsy wrote the note. I don't understand how any person with eyesight can doubt it.

For anyone who hasn't seen the exemplars, a link can be found in Shylock's posts.

imo

 

[BlueCrab]

I wouldn't care how many experts ended up testifying that Patsy's handwriting doesn't match the writing on the note. I've seen the exemplars and there is no doubt in my mind that Patsy wrote the note. I don't understand how any person with eyesight can doubt it.

For anyone who hasn't seen the exemplars, a link can be found in Shylock's posts.

imo

At least some, and perhaps most, of Patsy Ramsey's exemplars used by Hoffman's examiners may not have been Patsy's at all -- it appears some of them could have been Burke's.

With respect to the London Letter and other exemplars used by the CBI for comparison purposes, please consider that we were all taught how to write using the same exemplars in elementary school, so we all write similarly. That's why professional examiners look for things other than just letters that seem to look alike.

JMO

 

[Ivy]

Please explain, BC. If you're referring to the photo album captions, why do you think Burke wrote those? I'm a mom, and I captioned all the photos in our family albums, including pix of the kids. In their baby books (which I kept current till they were about five), I captioned pictures of them as if they themselves had done it. ("Here I am leaving the hospital with Mommy and Daddy" etc.) I think Patsy did the same thing with pix of Burke.

imo

 

[Shylock]

At least some, and perhaps most, of Patsy Ramsey's exemplars used by Hoffman's examiners may not have been Patsy's at all -- it appears some of them could have been Burke's.

The exemplars came from Patsy, not Burke. All are available on the net including 2 pageant applications. In addition, cards that Patsy wrote are available on Maketoast's site.

If you take a look at how many of the exemplars match Patsy's writing, it's obvious that no stranger is going to break into ANYONES house and match their writing with that amount of frequency. Epstein appears to be the only expert that took that into consideration.

 

[BlueCrab]

Please explain, BC. If you're referring to the photo album captions, why do you think Burke wrote those? I'm a mom, and I captioned all the photos in our family albums, including pix of the kids. In their baby books (which I kept current till they were about five), I captioned pictures of them as if they themselves had done it. ("Here I am leaving the hospital with Mommy and Daddy" etc.) I think Patsy did the same thing with pix of Burke.

imo

The captions were not only written in the first person, they were sloppily witten -- exactly as a child would write them. Patsy is a neat writer. When asked who wrote the captions in Burke's personal photo album she replied she didn't remember. Right.

JMO

 

[Shylock]

Patsy is a neat writer. When asked who wrote the captions in Burke's personal photo album she replied she didn't remember. Right.

Not all of Patsy's writing is neat. Take a look at the one pageant application she wrote and you'll swear she must have consumed 1/2 a bottle of whiskey before writing it. The writing on Burke's photos does match Patsy's sloppy printing. It matches the Marilyn Monroe badge perfectly.

 

[BlueCrab]

If you take a look at how many of the exemplars match Patsy's writing, it's obvious that no stranger is going to break into ANYONES house and match their writing with that amount of frequency.

Perhaps no one had to break in to closely match much of Patsy's writing. Maybe he already lived there. And perhaps he wrote almost like Patsy because Patsy taught him how to write.

JMO

 

[Nehemiah]

Are the captions in Burke's album available for viewing on line?

IMO

 

[Shylock]

Are the captions in Burke's album available for viewing on line?

They were a couple years ago. We'll have to see if anyone knows where they are posted now.

 

[BlueCrab]

Are the captions in Burke's album available for viewing on line?

IMO

Darnay Hoffman's examiners used the captions, so they are in ACandyRose's website listed under "Darnay Hoffman File".

Look for the written analyses of Tom Miller, Cina Wong, and David Liebman.

JMO

 

[ICU]

Hello,
I have just returned from the UK. It was a very nice visit with my colloquies, I will only be here for a short while and will return later. I know that I said that I would not be writing any more on the JonBenet case, however while I was with my friends we did discuss the Benet case for a short time, and one of the members that was reading the autopsy report said to me, “did you notice the small bruise on her neck, circular in shape”? it is in the shape of a button, perhaps a glove with a snap on it. He kept looking at the autopsy pictures and said that he could see the details of the crime in his mind. He like most of us believes that it was an intruder, this was his point. He suggested that it was a young man that was angry at John for something John did that caused him to leave the town and join the military, someone that knew the Ramsey’s and was a guest at the house, he also knew JonBenet and vise a versa. This person was home on leave and did not tell anyone about it, because he had a plan to let himself into the house using the key he had made a copy of earlier, he may have let himself in a few times while the Ramsey’s were away, he would look around and pick up a few things, in his snooping he may have noticed the Bonus check and the amount, and used it to write the ransom note with. He let himself in that night wearing his boots and gloves, when he went to JonBenet’s room and woke her, she did not stir because she knew him and may have been surprised to see him, he would tell her to be quiet because he had a surprise for her and did not want to wake the rest of the family. So they walked or he carried her to the kitchen and to keep her calm offered her some pineapple, after that he may have told her that the surprise was in the basement. It is believed that this person placed the suitcase in front of the cellar window to create the illusion that the intruder entered that way, because he had a key and did not want authorities looking for possible copies or any one with the chance to make copies. It was also suggested that this person may have something to do with a child sex ring, such as the Wonderland Club. It is believed that the perp had a camera with him and he took pictures of the rape and crime, the bondage and attack on the girl has the ear marks of such child pedophile cases that involved this kind of action. The bruise on her neck may have happened when he struck her with the glove on his hand, leaving the round button mark on her neck. The strangulation and the head fracture may have been the results of the frenzied action the perp could not control. This perp wanted to destroy the family and with the help of the keystone cops, media and public, he succeeded. This goes a little longer but I do not have the time to write, this is the opinion of the gentleman whom sat in on the meeting.

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”He who angers you,controls you!” (unknown author)
IMO

 

[Jayelles]

A year or more ago, my little daughter came running into the kitchen carrying a little table upside down when she fell forward. One of the table legs grazed her on the neck and I froze when I realised that the mark was very similar to the mark on JonBenet's neck - i.e. triangular in shape. The little table legs are turned/rounded and it must have twisted as she fell onto it in order to cause a triangular abrasion.

 

[ICU]

A year or more ago, my little daughter came running into the kitchen carrying a little table upside down when she fell forward. One of the table legs grazed her on the neck and I froze when I realised that the mark was very similar to the mark on JonBenet's neck - i.e. triangular in shape. The little table legs are turned/rounded and it must have twisted as she fell onto it in order to cause a triangular abrasion.

They took a very close look at the round bruse on her neck and it had an imprint of what you might see on a button that is on a pair of denums, you could see an image of some kind.

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”He who angers you, controls you!” (unknown author)
IMO