"This me when I was first born. That's my Mom and the doctor."

[BlueCrab]

Are we all agreed that the Intruder must have taken Patsy's new bike? Works for me. But what's a push bike?

Eagle1,

Except it wasn't an intruder who took Patsy's bike, because the Ramseys got it back. So they had to have known who took the bike.

 

[Nehemiah]

Did the Stines live within biking distance of the Ramsey house?

What is a push bike?

 

[narlacat]

Did the Stines live within biking distance of the Ramsey house?

What is a push bike?

I think the Stines were within walking distance to the Ramsey's.
A push bike is just another name for a bike....here in Australia we used to call them pushies when we were kids but Im not sure if kids still call them that.

 

[BlueCrab]

Did the Stines live within biking distance of the Ramsey house?

Nehemiah,

The Ramseys lived on 15th Street; the Stines lived on 10th Street.

 

[lawman]

so maybe whatever was taken from the crime scene was dumped somewhere between the ramsey`s home and wherever the perpetrator? was heading ?

just regarding "whats a pushbike" ,where i come from this is a bicycle, bike, they are all the same thing.

lawman

 

[Nehemiah]

Nehemiah,

The Ramseys lived on 15th Street; the Stines lived on 10th Street.

Yes, but do we know how close in proximity that really is? The streets in that section of Boulder are very choppy, sometimes short, and a street with with say, the name, Fifteenth St., may actually have more than one location! It was very difficult for me to navigate and find the actual location of the Ramsey home because I got on several Fifteenth St. locations. I wonder if 10th St. is w/in biking distance for a kid? I know that it sounds close...but in actuality, is it?

 

[BlueCrab]

Yes, but do we know how close in proximity that really is? The streets in that section of Boulder are very choppy, sometimes short, and a street with with say, the name, Fifteenth St., may actually have more than one location! It was very difficult for me to navigate and find the actual location of the Ramsey home because I got on several Fifteenth St. locations. I wonder if 10th St. is w/in biking distance for a kid? I know that it sounds close...but in actuality, is it?

Nehemiah,

They lived about six blocks apart.

The Stines lived at 816 10th Street in Boulder; the Ramseys lived at 755 15th Street in Boulder.

 

[Nehemiah]

Nehemiah,

They lived about six blocks apart.

The Stines lived at 816 10th Street in Boulder; the Ramseys lived at 755 15th Street in Boulder.

Yes, according to Mapquest, they lived .4 miles apart and almost a straight shot from one another, according to the map. Interesting.

 

[deanws]

From the Blabbieville website, a Patsy Ramsey handwriting example is shown. However it is very curious. It is a picture of a woman holding her newborn baby (from what i can make out from the bad photocopy and scan)

The caption to the photo reads:

"This me when I was first born. That's my Mom and the doctor."

This is supposedly Patsy's writing.

However, Patsy would not refer to herself as "my Mom" and thus unless it is an ancient picture of Patsy's mom and the doctor, then it must actually be a picture of Patsy holding one of the children.

It is not a HUGE leap to suspect that there's been confusion here, and that this sample was actually a photo of Patsy holding Burke, and that Patsy had gotten Burke to write the caption (since Patsy has a penchant for the cute, some would say kitschy)

But compare the last page of the ransom note with the handwriting on this photo. Looks spookily similar doesn't it?

Apart from the a's, which have changed, everything else seems to match up. What struck me most was the correspondence between the capital I's. Note the very strong upper and lower marks on the capital I's.

This handwriting sample can be found on the page:

http://blabbieville.tripod.com/ramseysamples.htm

I noticed something about the writing on the picture of PR and the baby . When I was a first grade teacher, there was a push to change the writing style of children. Some schools started using a style called d'nealian. It was used because some thought it would make the transition from printing to cursive easier. This theory developed in the 80's. In this style of writing, the t's are curved at the bottom. This style of printing is also slanted to the right as cursive writing is. Also, look at the small tight loop at the e...another characteristic of the d'nealian style of printing. So, it is my belief that BR did write the caption on that baby picture. I compared the RN and the caption on the picture. I believe the writing matched. The RN varied in the style in which the letters were printed. Which of course is another clue that the author of the RN was worried about his/her writing being discovered as his/her own. I don't believe a ramdon perp. would worry about his handwriting being analyzed. Just some ideas that I have been kicking around.

 

[UKGuy]

Steve Thomas in Inside The Ramsey Murder Investigation characterises Officer Reichenbach's house search as ...

"
... The lights were off in the nearby bedroom of the second child, and Reichenbach looked in on Burke Ramsey, who appeared asleep, then closed that door

The sergeant found no evidence of forced entry during a walk through the house, then went outside. A light dusting of snow and frost lay atop an earlier crusty snow in spotty patches on the grass. He saw no fresh shoe impressions, found no open doors or windows, nothing to indicate a break-in, but walking on the driveway and sidewalks left no visible prints. It was frigid, about nine degrees, and Reichenbach returned inside."

I feel it would be more credible if Burke had received a bike for xmas and it had been used to transport an accomplice away from the scene of the crime, since it may be a bit tricky for someone around Burkes age group to balance, do some pedal work, whilst also spiriting away any evidence on an adult bike.

That the ground was frigid is a problem for me since the Ramseys could have removed JonBenet's body, then phoned 911 around 10AM as per the ransom note!

 

[Cupiedoo]

BlueCrab ~ You mentioned the dictionary. Would you kindly explain on which table the dictionary was found? Do you know if there was anything else of interest found on that same table (such as the pineapple, flashlight, etc.)?

Thanks for the wonderful insight you provide.

 

[narlacat]

BlueCrab ~ You mentioned the dictionary. Would you kindly explain on which table the dictionary was found? Do you know if there was anything else of interest found on that same table (such as the pineapple, flashlight, etc.)?

Thanks for the wonderful insight you provide.

I'm not sure which table the dictionary was on, but the pineapple was found on the dining room table and the flashlight was on the kitchen bench I believe.

 

[BlueCrab]

I'm not sure which table the dictionary was on, but the pineapple was found on the dining room table and the flashlight was on the kitchen bench I believe.

narlacat,

Not exactly. The pineapple was on the breakfast room table, not the dining room table. The breakfast room was a separate room from the formal dining room and was like a second dining room. The Ramseys ate their sitdown meals in the breakfast room and ate snacks at the bar in the kitchen. The formal dining room was for show and seldom used.

The flashlight was on the kitchen counter.

I'm not sure where the dictionary was found (if this is even a true story). I've heard it was on a table or desk in the study, but John's study was in the third floor bedroom.

BlueCrab

 

[Charlie]

I noticed something about the writing on the picture of PR and the baby . When I was a first grade teacher, there was a push to change the writing style of children. Some schools started using a style called d'nealian. It was used because some thought it would make the transition from printing to cursive easier. This theory developed in the 80's. In this style of writing, the t's are curved at the bottom. This style of printing is also slanted to the right as cursive writing is. Also, look at the small tight loop at the e...another characteristic of the d'nealian style of printing. So, it is my belief that BR did write the caption on that baby picture. I compared the RN and the caption on the picture. I believe the writing matched. The RN varied in the style in which the letters were printed. Which of course is another clue that the author of the RN was worried about his/her writing being discovered as his/her own. I don't believe a ramdon perp. would worry about his handwriting being analyzed. Just some ideas that I have been kicking around.

interesting about the writting style called d'nealian, but wouldnt it raise the argument that if somone quite eperienced in cursive went back to writting in print it would retain cursive style elements? I know when i write in print i tend to slant my words to the right and my t's flick upwards at the ends because its habit from writting in cursive. From looking at Patsys writting its my opinion Burke wrote the captions as it dosnt remsemble Patsy's. Futhermore if patsy did write the captions why didnt she write in cursive which seems her habit.

Patsy couldn't remember who wrote the captions???? That statement alone causes suspicion that she is trying to hide some thing.
There are only four people who live in that house ... and I'm sure they all recognize each others' handwriting ... it had nothing to do with remembering,all she had to do was look at the captions and identify the handwriting.
Yep ... a lot of covering up for SOMEONE going on! The 64 million dollar question still is ... who????

I also cant believe Patsy cant remember who wrote the captions, and futhermore identify her own families handwritting, i know i can. I wish Patsy would start telling the truth.

 

[Leve]

I think the same person wrote the RN and the picture caption. Particularly looking at the word "marked" on the first page of the RN and comparing it to "Mom" - little m

Also the word Doctor is misspelled on the picture caption. That kind of leads credibility that BR wrote the captions.

 

[KatherineQ]

My children have all learned d'nealean handwriting, from kindergarten.

It doesn't make children write like adults. This is adult handwriting. Even though "doctor" is misspelled. As we've all seen on the internet, many adults have atrocious spelling.

Burke must have innumerable handwriting examples - he was a child in school.

I would bet my house his handwriting is not even remotely similar to the adult writing in these samples, and that's why he didn't even figure into the handwriting analyst's decision of who wrote the ransom note. It wasn't a boy child.

 

[Amonet]

I think it's as likely that Patsy wrote the captions on the photo album as it is that Burke wrote them. I don't find it particularly unusual for a parent to write the captions as though the child was writing in the first person. If doing that, a parent might also try to make their writing look like a child's writing so that it's easy for the child to read and maybe to add an air of authenticity to the caption.

I think the ransom note is Patsy's attempt at not writing like herself, hence the similarity with the caption. I've seen a video of John Ramsey denying that it's Patsy's writing but I think it could be "it's not Patsy's 'normal' writing that she'd use when writing as herself"

There are some similarities between the ransom note and the photo caption but it's hard to say because there are some strong differences too.

I don't think a nine year old could write that ransom note, not that length of it, not the composition of it, and not if he'd murdered his little sister. I understand that the theory is of a psychopath child, but children are children, and this does not seem like a child's crime nor a child's composition in the ransom note. A child, imho, even one who's a psychopath, would revert at some point to being the child that they are, possibly using that as the reason they're innocent or not involved, but I don't see any sign of that here.

Burke might have been up that night, maybe he saw something, I don't know, but I don't believe he wrote the note or had anything directly to do with JonBenet's death.

(Sorry for bumping up such an old thread, but it was linked to from one that was posted in today.)

 

[andreww]

Burke had a history of hitting JB, as he'd apparently hit her more than once with a golf club. Knowing that, what makes it so hard to believe that he wouldn't have been the one to cause the head blow injury?

Think about it. There is no history of, and no insinuation that physical abuse by the parents had ever occurred. Sure, one of them may have been angry and lost it, but chances are an adult would lash out with an open handed slap, or at the very worst a closed fist punch. I find it very hard to believe that any adult with no history of physical abuse to their kids would make that jump to hitting a child with a heavy object.

But here we have little Burkey. He'd hit his sister in the head with heavy objects before, he admitted to secretly being in that WC that very day, opening presents, and he seemed to show absolutely no curiosity as to why the police were in his house, where his sister was or why he was being whisked away. His prints were on the pineapple bowl and his DNA was on her blood spattered nightie for gods sake!

I'm not saying he did or didn't do it, I'm just curious as to your thought process and exactly why you don't think he was involved, because even if he didn't actually kill her I believe this kid was involved with or aware of every aspect of this coverup.

 

[icedtea4me]

Burke had a history of hitting JB, as he'd apparently hit her more than once with a golf club. Knowing that, what makes it so hard to believe that he wouldn't have been the one to cause the head blow injury?

Think about it. There is no history of, and no insinuation that physical abuse by the parents had ever occurred. Sure, one of them may have been angry and lost it, but chances are an adult would lash out with an open handed slap, or at the very worst a closed fist punch. I find it very hard to believe that any adult with no history of physical abuse to their kids would make that jump to hitting a child with a heavy object.

But here we have little Burkey. He'd hit his sister in the head with heavy objects before, he admitted to secretly being in that WC that very day, opening presents, and he seemed to show absolutely no curiosity as to why the police were in his house, where his sister was or why he was being whisked away. His prints were on the pineapple bowl and his DNA was on her blood spattered nightie for gods sake!

I'm not saying he did or didn't do it, I'm just curious as to your thought process and exactly why you don't think he was involved, because even if he didn't actually kill her I believe this kid was involved with or aware of every aspect of this coverup.

Name at least one time where Burke intentionally hit JonBenet on the head with a heavy object. (The golf club backswing where she was struck on the face as she was walking behind him doesn't count.)

 

[andreww]

Name at least one time where Burke intentionally hit JonBenet on the head with a heavy object. (The golf club backswing where she was struck on the face as she was walking behind him doesn't count.)

That is if you believe that is what actually happened. Go ahead and read Patsy's account of that incident (I believe it is in the first interview). You will not that she wasn't questioned further about it, but she says that Jonbenet suffered injuries to both her head and leg. How is that possible if it were an accident? I JB was standing behind him and was hit in the head with a backswing, then the only possible way she could be hit a second time would be with the follow through. But a golf swing follow through finishes high with the club over your back. How could she have possibly receive both a head and leg injury with one mistaken swing? She couldn't have. I believe it is highly likely Patsy is lying here, but why? The only possible conclusions here are:

- Burke hit JB more than once with the club.

- At least one of those blows was intentional.

- Patsy lied to cover up Burkes behavior.


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