Thought and theories on Jeremy

[norest4thewicked]

I wonder if they even have a house payment. He's owned the house for 10 years, and it couldn't have been that expensive. But, I kind of think this might not be important in regards to our theories on JI being involved.

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

Sorry, DB gets medical from her husband according to the records. Since they aren't married she probably gets food stamps also...speculating. If she doesn't get any help from her husband, I get she got medicaid for the birth.

Sure kids are expensive but electricians out here are very well-off. Beings the average home here is a million and they have more than one, I can say they do pretty darn well.

I have no idea what KCMO pays their help but according to Quick-Stop pay, it's pretty good.

Of course you have links for the two bolded statements?
And again what has PN's wages or home have to do with the OP?

 

[norest4thewicked]

At first, I didn't think that JI was involved at all. In fact, I didn't think that DB was either. It's only been within the last week that I have really started to consider his involvement. These are a few of the things that make me think that he could be involved.

* His behavior and inconsistencies in interviews.

* The fact that we are not certain that he was at work all night at his night job.

* Looking back on the interviews and how he seems to be emphasizing a little too much certain things like the window, lights, phones, etc.

There are other things, but it's late and I can add to this later.

 

[In da Middle]

I wonder if they even have a house payment. He's owned the house for 10 years, and it couldn't have been that expensive. But, I kind of think this might not be important in regards to our theories on JI being involved.

He has a deed of trust recorded and no release recorded, therefor he has payments still. The same deed of trust states how much he was in debt for on the house when he took the note out. But totally agree on the fact that it is not important.

 

[Kimster]

Look it up for yourself.

Remember, if we state something as a fact and another member would like a link, provide a link. That's how we roll here.

:tyou:

 

[iamnotagolem]

He owes $92053 according to http://recorder.claycogov.com/ImageCache/20020062045.PDF

Which means his mortgage would be a little over $600ish for principal & interest payments.

ETA: That's at 7% interest, not sure what his interest rate is, but figured use a high one since it was 2002 and he was very young probably not a great credit score at that age

 

[beach]

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[hambirg]

BBM: Did you not read your own post? They did not refute that JI has a solid alibi, nor did they ask the public for anyone who saw him other than at StarBucks that night. If they did not believe he was there, they would be asking for the publics help, unless you think LE is sloppy.

That's not necessarily true. They may not need to if they have other evidence. They know what they know and sometimes it's best they keep it to themselves. It's how they catch people in lies.

 

[hambirg]

Really? I would think that they would. It seems too important a medium the way social contact has evolved to not have it monitored. LE web patrol would not surprise me.

But why would LE play their hand and point out something that they know may not be true? If LE KNOWS JI wasn't at work the whole time. . .and maybe they even have evidence that tracks him. Why would they say that? So the DT can come up with a story as to why he was where he was? Doesn't make any sense.

 

[hambirg]

I agree with that, so how can we discount one and not the other?
With JI we have an awake person working side by side with JI giving him an alibi, where as in JB's case we have a person who slept in another room from where JB was supposedly sleeping, when he wasn't out driving around. And as for Jersey, we don't really have an eye witness alibi, so my money would be on the latter two, if I had to pick and choose.

We don't know either of those things to be true. LE most likely does, but we don't.

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

We don't know either of those things to be true. LE most likely does, but we don't.

So you are saying we do know Jersey has an alibi and what it is? I'm confused. What I said was WE do not know of anyone giving Jersey an alibi, and I believe JI's boss stated in an open letter that he was working with JI that night.

 

[hambirg]

Thank you for a great post explaining what a journeyman in a trade means.

What can be considered when looking at the added man-hours used in the Starbucks job. All kinds of unforeseen problems can pop up. Wrong parts, lack of parts, lack of the right tools (forgot to bring it) measuring something wrong, measuring right but cutting wrong. All sorts of problems can happen on a job that are unforeseen that make it take much longer than anticipated.

I had always wondered if JI wasn't sent to get something, or his boss didn't leave to get something. We(me and my ex) were in construction for 7+ years and what you describe is not uncommon at all.

Hmmmm. . .:waitasec:

 

[hambirg]

So you are saying we do know Jersey has an alibi and what it is? I'm confused. What I said was WE do not know of anyone giving Jersey an alibi, and I believe JI's boss stated in an open letter that he was working with JI that night.

I am saying that WE do not know if Jersey has an alibi that night.

WE do not know if JI's boss was with JI the entire time at work that night.

LE most likely DOES know and they aren't sharing.

 

[Donjeta]

resp.snipped by me :

My thoughts have always been that Jeremy was up for a very long time by this point. He is stressed and tense and scared. LE is being aggressive ~ going back and forth between Jeremy and Deb, telling lies and/or half truths, blaming Deb etc...I can totally see that he needed a break and that police weren't satisfied with the responses they got so came out with 'they weren't cooperating.

He probably didn't get any sleep the night he came home from Starbucks but he could have slept some the night of October 4th/5ht and the night of October 5th/6th before this interview took place on October 6th.

 

[hambirg]

How do you know what Jeremy's house payment is? Really, has this been reported somewhere?

It was out there at one time. It's only assessed at $22,400. I know the assessed value doesn't always mean much. But it's not a McMansion. It's modest. I thought at onetime somebody had said it was a foreclosure when he bought it. We were talking about how he was able to buy a house at a young age IIRC.

Oddly. . .when I was looking for that, I learned he owns a 1999 Tahoe and a 1990 Chevy pick-up. Are these the vehicles that are parked in the back. . .one is on blocks?

ETA-I see iamnotagolem posted it upthread.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

He probably didn't get any sleep the night he came home from Starbucks but he could have slept some the night of October 4th/5ht and the night of October 5th/6th before this interview took place on October 6th.

Here it is 4 months later and he has had plenty of sleep and as far as we know he has never hunted for his child, never hung up a poster, and has done virtually nothing to keep the case in the news. Makes no sense to me.

 

[hambirg]

Here it is 4 months later and he has had plenty of sleep and as far as we know he has never hunted for his child, never hung up a poster, and has done virtually nothing to keep the case in the news. Makes no sense to me.

Sad isn't it? It's also very odd and a tad bit creepy when you really think about it.

 

[highflyer]

Here it is 4 months later and he has had plenty of sleep and as far as we know he has never hunted for his child, never hung up a poster, and has done virtually nothing to keep the case in the news. Makes no sense to me.

Makes no sense to me either. But most of this case makes no sense, so it fits right in.

 

[hambirg]

It was brought up in another thread that DB/JI voluntarily turned their computer(s)/hard drive(s) over to LE. Askfornina provided the MSM link here:

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/44957275#44957275
(thanks!)

I can see how this knowledge would lead to the assumption that the parents are not hiding anything and they must be innocent. I have heard that argument a few times. . .they allowed LE to search. . .they gave consent.

I brought up that it is important to note that consent would have to come from JI. He is the property owner and he and DB are not married.

Now, going under the assumption that JI is guilty and acted alone. Why wouldn't he give consent? It gives the appearance of innocence. If it was a soft crime, what could LE possibly find? His fingerprints? DNA? Those things would be expected in his own house. Cadaver dog hit? If something that touched a deceased BL was tossed into the bedroom, that implicates DB, not him.

As far as the computer, there would most likely be nothing on it to implicate JI if he acted out of jealous rage. However, he might very happily pass it off to LE even hoping that there might be something on there to implicate DB. Was she hiding any contact with anyone? JI might actually want to find that out. . .here LE please take out computer and let us know what you find.

MOO and things to consider.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

It was brought up in another thread that DB/JI voluntarily turned their computer(s)/hard drive(s) over to LE. Askfornina provided the MSM link here:

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/44957275#44957275
(thanks!)

I can see how this knowledge would lead to the assumption that the parents are not hiding anything and they must be innocent. I have heard that argument a few times. . .they allowed LE to search. . .they gave consent.

I brought up that it is important to note that consent would have to come from JI. He is the property owner and he and DB are not married.

Now, going under the assumption that JI is guilty and acted alone. Why wouldn't he give consent? It gives the appearance of innocence. If it was a soft crime, what could LE possibly find? His fingerprints? DNA? Those things would be expected in his own house. Cadaver dog hit? If something that touched a deceased BL was tossed into the bedroom, that implicates DB, not him.

As far as the computer, there would most likely be nothing on it to implicate JI if he acted out of jealous rage. However, he might very happily pass it off to LE even hoping that there might be something on there to implicate DB. Was she hiding any contact with anyone? JI might actually want to find that out. . .here LE please take out computer and let us know what you find.

MOO and things to consider.

I really get the feeling he came home after working all day and night, finds his drunk girlfriend passed out, signs of others being there, his home in disarray and he just reached his "Boiling Point".