Thought and theories on Jeremy

[Minette]

It does take more - I want facts, not opinions. I want LE to show me actual evidence, not just speculation by people who have heard bits and pieces of information provided by the media. I want an actual evaluation of the situation and the people from professionals that have met and spoken with them and not just wishy washy, jumping to conclusions from seeing a reaction/attitude of distraught parents on msm. .

We can all speculate and give our two cents ~ we can create theories and conjecture until the cows come home, but DEB and/or JEREMY are NOT in jail - therefore as far as I am concerned, LE does NOT have enough evidence to put either of them there. If and when that evidence is brought forth, only then will I agree that they are responsible for their daughter being gone.

Certainly if the FBI/KCPD etc...people who have MET and spoken with Deb and Jeremy are not calling them all the psychotic names that I have seen in these threads...I can't imagine I would either!

Personally, I am very thankful that the majority here are not sitting in the jury box - because unbiased they are not.

Brava! :rocker:

 

[norest4thewicked]

:seeya: TY.

BBM: That's what I thought -- that we do NOT know where he was working earlier in the day.

JMO, but I think it IS important in the "timeline" :waitasec: or should I say with respect to the TRUTH as to what happened to Baby Lisa :

SPECULATING here and MOO :

The reason I think it is important is this : IF -- a BIG IF here -- something happened to Lisa BEFORE Jeremy went to work that evening at the SB, HOW would he be able to "work" knowing that something happened to Lisa ?

I am NOT defending Jeremy here -- just saying -- IF something UNexpected happened to your 10 month old baby, how in the world would you be able to go to WORK -- and do "electrical work " -- and how would you be able to "concentrate" ?

I know -- some people may be able to -- but a "normal person" would be a "nervous wreck" having to go to work after something happened to their baby ...

I don't know ... just SPECULATING here ... this is why I believe that at a MINIMUM, Jeremy was involved in the "cover-up" ...

But who knows -- maybe he knew something and was still able to go work ...

:waitasec:

MOO ...

IF you had something to do with the baby missing, you might do whatever it took to cover it up. Again, we are here thinking of these things the way a "normal" person would think. We aren't thinking of it the way a person would do in that situation. We just can't say what a persons state of mind would be in this case.

 

[cityslick]

IF you had something to do with the baby missing, you might do whatever it took to cover it up. Again, we are here thinking of these things the way a "normal" person would think. We aren't thinking of it the way a person would do in that situation. We just can't say what a persons state of mind would be in this case.

If you remember a few weeks ago, I asked if people thought if DB loved her daughter and I think I remember you answering 'yes' (if you didn't, I apologize). Do you think this scenario would be possible if you still believed that answer?

 

[cityslick]

Oh, I'm sure the job was pre-planned.

BBM, that is why I think it might be JI. He would know that a night he is supposedly at work, that that fact would work against others and not himself. Just like I think that if something did happen earlier in the day or sometime that night, that he called 911 when he got home at 4am, instead of waiting until morning, because it strengthens his alibi. If he had waited til morning. . .now he is thrown into the mix from the time he came home till the morning hours.

Idk. . .I still have to think on those phones. :waitasec:

The phones don't add in to it at all then. You would have to accept the fact that the phones are completely unrelated to BL missing and that's a hard stretch to make. Also, I don't think there is anyway that DB would not be aware of what's going on. You almost would be dismissing all the actions of DB that night (buying wine, drinking outside while the kids are watching tv, chatting with the neighbors) in favor of JI. That's also a stretch.

 

[redheadedgal]

I want LE to show me actual evidence.

actual evidence provided by LE:

--hit on parents' bedroom by FBI cadaver dog*
--aforementioned hit by FBI cadaver dog used by LE to request search warrant to search parent's home
--judge agreed to/signed search warrant that included FBI cadaver dog hit in parent's home


*re: FBI cadaver dog:

just read that the FBI agents and their dogs are trained at the Tennessee Body Farm using the scent of decomp... add this to the FBI agent who said their cadaver dogs' accuracy is 90%+ ... so yeah, i believe the dog... and i believe that LE believes the dog too

The Body Farm also provides a unique training environment for FBI agents, crime-lab technicians, homicide detectives, and cadaver dogs. (p. 4)

http://bbs.historytravel.com/tv/shows/coldcasefiles/evidence/ccf60/ccf60_book_deaths_acre.pdf

 

[dog.gone.cute]

IF you had something to do with the baby missing, you might do whatever it took to cover it up. Again, we are here thinking of these things the way a "normal" person would think. We aren't thinking of it the way a person would do in that situation. We just can't say what a persons state of mind would be in this case.

BBM: Yes, and good point !

But ... :innocent: this is what I am thinking :

A BIG IF here -- IF Jeremy was involved and did go to work as a "COVER" -- don't ya think Jeremy and Deb would have had MORE TIME to get their "stories straight" ?

JMO ... but JI and DB's continuous changing "stories" and continuous changing "timeline" tells me that they BOTH KNOW EXACTLY what happened to Baby Lisa ..

I go back and forth as to WHEN Jeremy knew -- BUT -- I do believe Jeremy participated in part of the "cover-up" because OF the changing stories -- and maybe the phones ?

:waitasec: I hope that made sense ... nothing in this case makes sense ...

MOO ...

 

[Sparklin]

actual evidence provided by LE:

--hit on parents' bedroom by FBI cadaver dog*
--aforementioned hit by FBI cadaver dog used by LE to request search warrant to search parent's home
--judge agreed to/signed search warrant that included FBI cadaver dog hit in parent's home


*re: FBI cadaver dog:

just read that the FBI agents and their dogs are trained at the Tennessee Body Farm using the scent of decomp... add this to the FBI agent who said their cadaver dogs' accuracy is 90%+ ... so yeah, i believe the dog... and i believe that LE believes the dog too

The Body Farm also provides a unique training environment for FBI agents, crime-lab technicians, homicide detectives, and cadaver dogs. (p. 4)

http://bbs.historytravel.com/tv/shows/coldcasefiles/evidence/ccf60/ccf60_book_deaths_acre.pdf

Well, that tells me stuff about dogs, but not a thing about the parents.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

actual evidence provided by LE:

--hit on parents' bedroom by FBI cadaver dog*
--aforementioned hit by FBI cadaver dog used by LE to request search warrant to search parent's home
--judge agreed to/signed search warrant that included FBI cadaver dog hit in parent's home


*re: FBI cadaver dog:

just read that the FBI agents and their dogs are trained at the Tennessee Body Farm using the scent of decomp... add this to the FBI agent who said their cadaver dogs' accuracy is 90%+ ... so yeah, i believe the dog... and i believe that LE believes the dog too

The Body Farm also provides a unique training environment for FBI agents, crime-lab technicians, homicide detectives, and cadaver dogs. (p. 4)

http://bbs.historytravel.com/tv/shows/coldcasefiles/evidence/ccf60/ccf60_book_deaths_acre.pdf

So we only have one piece of evidence, the HRD dog hit, that's less than 100% reliable. Seems like evidence is thin to me. Maybe that's why there has been no arrest yet. JMO.

 

[vlpate]

So we only have one piece of evidence, the HRD dog hit, that's less than 100% reliable. Seems like evidence is thin to me. Maybe that's why there has been no arrest yet. JMO.

You have the cadaver dog evidence that was taken from the home? Please share!

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

Geeze is that what they do in Indiana?

It was asked what we did before all this testing, please go back and read the post I quoted, I did not say this is what we do in Indiana. :banghead:

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

Then what do you think should be done? Cause the current system is only letting the many who are guilty get away with it on technicalities.

I think they should be judged on evidence, not statistics. :banghead:

 

[vlpate]

So we only have one piece of evidence, the HRD dog hit, that's less than 100% reliable. Seems like evidence is thin to me. Maybe that's why there has been no arrest yet. JMO.

By the way, the initial hit was by a cadaver dog which was probably of herding dog breed, as opposed to a poodle. I see this all the time here. A herding dog is just that, a herding dog until they are trained as scent dogs. They are trained to detect both dead and live human scents (animal scents too)....and are trained specifically.

It was a cadaver dog hit.

 

[vlpate]

Well, that tells me stuff about dogs, but not a thing about the parents.

How about the dog hit on a scent at the side of the Irwin/Bradley bed in the Irwin/Bradley bedroom in the Irwin/Bradley house.

Irwin and Bradley are Lisa's parents.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Well, that tells me stuff about dogs, but not a thing about the parents.

So we only have one piece of evidence, the HRD dog hit, that's less than 100% reliable. Seems like evidence is thin to me. Maybe that's why there has been no arrest yet. JMO.

MOO and all that ...

IIRC, the only reason we know about the HRD dog "HIT" is because it was contained in the Search Warrant that was released and signed off by a Judge.

LE has been extremely :silenced: about this case ... They haven't even released the 9-1-1 CALL in this case ... so WHY the "silence" from LE ?

I am sure LE has more evidence, they are just not releasing it for whatever reason ...

:waitasec: Oh yes, there is a "lack of evidence" ... and that is that there is NO evidence that an "intruder" went into the home ...

And LE knew this from the get-go when JI called 9-1-1 and they arrived and LE knew that an intruder did NOT go through that window ...

Sure wish they would release JI's 9-1-1 call ...

MOO ...

 

[Deleted member 39678]

MOO and all that ...

IIRC, the only reason we know about the HRD dog "HIT" is because it was contained in the Search Warrant that was released and signed off by a Judge.

LE has been extremely :silenced: about this case ... They haven't even released the 9-1-1 CALL in this case ... so WHY the "silence" from LE ?

I am sure LE has more evidence, they are just not releasing it for whatever reason ...

:waitasec: Oh yes, there is a "lack of evidence" ... and that is that there is NO evidence that an "intruder" went into the home ...

And LE knew this from the get-go when JI called 9-1-1 and they arrived and LE knew that an intruder did NOT go through that window ...

Sure wish they would release JI's 9-1-1 call ...

MOO ...

I agree. And it goes without saying that there is not enough evidence for an arrest at this time or we would have seen that happen.

 

[hambirg]

:seeya: TY.

BBM: That's what I thought -- that we do NOT know where he was working earlier in the day.

JMO, but I think it IS important in the "timeline" :waitasec: or should I say with respect to the TRUTH as to what happened to Baby Lisa :

SPECULATING here and MOO :

The reason I think it is important is this : IF -- a BIG IF here -- something happened to Lisa BEFORE Jeremy went to work that evening at the SB, HOW would he be able to "work" knowing that something happened to Lisa ?

I am NOT defending Jeremy here -- just saying -- IF something UNexpected happened to your 10 month old baby, how in the world would you be able to go to WORK -- and do "electrical work " -- and how would you be able to "concentrate" ?

I know -- some people may be able to -- but a "normal person" would be a "nervous wreck" having to go to work after something happened to their baby ...

I don't know ... just SPECULATING here ... this is why I believe that at a MINIMUM, Jeremy was involved in the "cover-up" ...

But who knows -- maybe he knew something and was still able to go work ...

:waitasec:

MOO ...

But maybe that is why that Starbucks job took so much longer than it was suppose to. :waitasec:

 

[redheadedgal]

Well, that tells me stuff about dogs, but not a thing about the parents.

infer:

1 to derive by reasoning; conclude or judge from premises of evidence
2 to indicate or involve as a conclusion; lead to
3 to guess; speculate; surmise
4 to hint; imply; suggest
5 to draw a conclusion as by reasoning

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/infer

 

[cityslick]

But maybe that is why that Starbucks job took so much longer than it was suppose to. :waitasec:

He was trying to get over it while he was working? :waitasec:

 

[cityslick]

infer:

1 to derive by reasoning; conclude or judge from premises of evidence
2 to indicate or involve as a conclusion; lead to
3 to guess; speculate; surmise
4 to hint; imply; suggest
5 to draw a conclusion as by reasoning

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/infer

But by itself it means nothing. It doesn't infer anything. If you live in a house and a friend comes over and leaves a bag of cocaine in your house without you knowing it, then LE gets a tip and finds cocaine in your house, is it automatically yours then?

 

[vlpate]

If you remember a few weeks ago, I asked if people thought if DB loved her daughter and I think I remember you answering 'yes' (if you didn't, I apologize). Do you think this scenario would be possible if you still believed that answer?

IF DB is an alcoholic, I believe she could cover this up and still love her baby. Why? Because an alcoholic loves alcohol more than they love anything else in the world, and they will defend and make excuses for their drinking. They will defend to the death that alcohol doesn't change them because admitting it would be admitting they have a problem - admitting they have a problem 1)makes them look bad 2) means they have to give up the drug that is, to them, what air is to the rest of us.

Listening to DB talk about what she feels is a normal progression when drinking (forget what happens, passing out, etc.), makes me think she is.

JI fought for his little boy, and for some reason, won. We haven't heard that the mother was a prostitute or a drug addict, or even an abusive mother. I do think he had something on her, just not what. The point is, he won.

DB may be a different story - she may be a great mother when sober, but neglectful when left to her own devices - he's always there to make sure the kids are ok, so it hasn't become a major issue - except for him. Maybe he wanted Lisa and not DB. Where I part ways with my JI had it done theory is, I can't come up with a possible follow-through. Where would he go once Lisa was safe somewhere - an island in the Pacific? Not feasible. Would he give her away for her own sake? Not seeing it.

Then Jeremy says they are closer now than they have ever been and I don't believe that for one minute. One or the other HAS to have enough brain cells to see how little sense this "kidnapping" makes. He says himself she was the only one there that night and therefore the only one under suspicion (paraphrasing), instead of how he knows DB and knows she is a good and loving mother and would never do something like this. He doesn't say it because he has to know, like the rest of us, a good mother would not put her sick child in bed at 6:40, get drunk, and never check on her again and the lie about it the next day. How can he even look at the woman who was too drunk to hear HIS precious baby girl being taken? Come on, he loses it over a stray cat and lights being left on and he doesn't lose it over that?

Only DB continually talks about what a good mother she is... who is she trying to convince, us or herself.

Back and forth, back and forth.