Thread No. 20

[gorealtors]

Does anyone here have a really good link to the Jeffery McDonald case ? As I recall Wade Smith was the grand pooba for Mr. McDonald and occasionally still bemoans Mr. McDonald's innocence. I'm curious about any link that may summarize the defense tactics through that case. I suspect the Ms. Holt is reviewing the same - I'm curious about how the defense proceeded...it may tell us some things, it may not.

TIA

Debums is a great source for Jeffrey McDonald material.

 

[raisincharlie]

Debums is a great source for Jeffrey McDonald material.

Thanks - is she still at CTV, if you know? Will try to send her a pm. I'm very curious about the defense points - we may see something similar in the future.

 

[jilly]

Debums is a great source for Jeffrey McDonald material.

Somebody at CTV posted a site for everything you need to know on McDonald. Can't really remember who it was - might have been Scout or Hay Paula.

 

[Bellgardin]

Does anyone here have a really good link to the Jeffery McDonald case ? As I recall Wade Smith was the grand pooba for Mr. McDonald and occasionally still bemoans Mr. McDonald's innocence. I'm curious about any link that may summarize the defense tactics through that case. I suspect the Ms. Holt is reviewing the same - I'm curious about how the defense proceeded...it may tell us some things, it may not.

TIA

:crazy: Hi RC!!! This is the best one I've ever seen! Happy reading!

http://www.thejeffreymacdonaldcase.com/

BG

 

[raisincharlie]

:crazy: Hi RC!!! This is the best one I've ever seen! Happy reading!

http://www.thejeffreymacdonaldcase.com/

BG

Thank you Bellgardin - exactly what I wanted ! Appreciate it very much - now for some heavy reading...

 

[Bellgardin]

Thank you Bellgardin - exactly what I wanted ! Appreciate it very much - now for some heavy reading...

You're welcome!! It's a really interesting website! Enjoy!

 

[Lurker]

Hey everybody, I'm kind of new here but I've been reading this thread on and off for quite a bit. I have a question, I keep seeing where people are speculating that JY may have killed Michelle because of something she told the therapist she was seeing, that he was afraid it would get out. How could he be afraid of that? If Michelle told the therapist, the therapist can't repeat it and if she choose to see a therapist to talk about it, she wasn't going to go public. This may have been discussed but I was just wondering the angle on that thought.

TIA!

 

[athy]

i don't believe they mean the therapist would have revealed something but that perhaps Michelle had threatened to or was afraid she might.

 

[Lurker]

i don't believe they mean the therapist would have revealed something but that perhaps Michelle had threatened to or was afraid she might.

Or maybe the embarrassment was too much for him?

Someone also mentioned that maybe he suggested a threesome with her sister.

I was thinking if he had "feminine" tendancies, maybe he suggested one with her friend? (Can't remember his name now) and that's why she went to the therapist.

 

[sweetmop]

I have given some thought to the therapist,to her specialty & also to the fact that Jason was running his mouth to coworkers about a sex act Michelle refused to go along with. What if JY was wanting a 3 way, with him ,Michelle and another man! This is to the extreme, I know. But I do have a feeling that we will be hearing alot of things that are hard to believe or hard to hear! Sorry for the graphics! I truely believe that much will be coming out that will prove that JY is not the sweet, loving, down home country boy that some want to portray him as... I think he may just be a super freak!

 

[sweetmop]

Oooops, sorry Lurker, didn't see you had already posted the above thought! I have another thought( because I have a coworker whose ex requested this! ) Maybe JY wanted Michelle to have sex with some other guy, while he hid in the closet and watched! I know, I know, SICK... but I think we are going to find alot of SICK inside of Mr JY!!! JMHO, of course

 

[strach304]

I don't think sexual perversion would be out of the norm for a case like this. I was actually watching to see if something of that nature was going to come out since the early days of this case. So many other parallels with other spousal murder cases. SP and Neil Entwistle come to mind. Age category is also very close for these three. I suppose some kind of chemical imbalance could exist that is imparing their brain for rational thought factored in with several months of stress and desperation leading up to the actual act. Their actions after the fact would also indicate a clear dysfunction in their logic as well that some want to excuse as shock or whatever when in fact screams they are crazy and or extremely stupid imo. Something's not firing right.

I know I've read many reports of studies over the years where violence and have been connected as a contributing factor in violence against women. Certainly hard core like sadomasochism and rape spring to mind. It can advance from viewing to participating to a complete perverted state where they no longer get anything from a normal relationship. A look at the vast amount of serial killers over the years with sexual motivation and their progression should tell us something. I don't think these men killing their wives with this kind of background surfacing makes them normal in any sense of the word from the get go.

 

[BirdHunter]

Ahhh...tmi

 

[sweetmop]

I don't think sexual perversion would be out of the norm for a case like this. I was actually watching to see if something of that nature was going to come out since the early days of this case. So many other parallels with other spousal murder cases. SP and Neil Entwistle come to mind. Age category is also very close for these three. I suppose some kind of chemical imbalance could exist that is imparing their brain for rational thought factored in with several months of stress and desperation leading up to the actual act. Their actions after the fact would also indicate a clear dysfunction in their logic as well that some want to excuse as shock or whatever when in fact screams they are crazy and or extremely stupid imo. Something's not firing right.

I know I've read many reports of studies over the years where violence and have been connected as a contributing factor in violence against women. Certainly hard core like sadomasochism and rape spring to mind. It can advance from viewing to participating to a complete perverted state where they no longer get anything from a normal relationship. A look at the vast amount of serial killers over the years with sexual motivation and their progression should tell us something. I don't think these men killing their wives with this kind of background surfacing makes them normal in any sense of the word from the get go.

Great post! This all makes sense to me. I don't understand this , but I certainly do agree that this is most likely the case, in some form or fashion. And, you are absolutely correct in regards to the link between and violence against women. Plus a self centered, selfish, all about me attitude goes hand in hand with these particular guys. I think alot of these type scenarios will play out in this case. No JY is not normal at all. JY has many deep dark secrets and many demons, I think we will learn. JMHO

 

[raisincharlie]

You're welcome!! It's a really interesting website! Enjoy!

Bellgardin,

Sure is a lot of information there, I am no where near being close to the end but I have noted there was significant argument about hair and fibre evidence, even argued over a dog hair...shades of things to come perhaps. Thanks again, will continue reading...

 

[spring]

charlie,
we can hope that they use some of the same defenses jmkg is spewing. every one has been transparent so far! transparent because they are trying to set a killer free!

 

[panthera]

I'm really getting tired of this waiting! They need to arrest and try the SOB!
He knows he did it. WE know he did it. LE knows it too!:banghead:

Get his butt behind bars where he belongs!:behindbar

JMHO
fran

Hi fran and everyone else! I haven't given up on Michelle there just hasn't been much going on with her case lately. I do want to add something to your post fran. Since there is no statute of limitations on murder they don't have to be in a rush to arrest and bring him to trial. But once they do arrest & charge him, he has a right to a speedy trial and the DA has to have everything together then to be able to prove his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt ~ and as we all know, if he's acquitted he can't be retried. So I think they just don't have that one "smoking gun" piece of evidence that would ensure a conviction. We just have to keep thinking positively that someday soon they'll get what they need.

 

[raisincharlie]

charlie,
we can hope that they use some of the same defenses jmkg is spewing. every one has been transparent so far! transparent because they are trying to set a killer free!

Spring,

There are clearly some bizarre theories - killers with knives is rather crazy given that Michelle was bludgeoned to death. Not sure why two killers would do that with perfectly good weapons already in hand. Given the focused nature of the bludgeoning, it seems to also rule out two killers IMO. I think this is called grasping at straws...kind of like claiming a paper trail proves someone did not murder Michelle. I believe Sorsita made a very poignant point - the mountain folk don't know what JY was like when he lived in Raleigh - people who live in Raleigh and knew Jy when he lived in Raleigh do know.

 

[jilly]

I think these mountain men are suffering the effects of oxygen deficiency. They're not making sense at all.

 

[spring]

I think these mountain men are suffering the effects of oxygen deficiency. They're not making sense at all.

they might grow their own "tobacco" with all that manure! it sure is RICH!