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  • #361
Well, when no one has new news, I will continue my efforts to correct misinformation in old news.

clipped from Polksaladannie's thread======

Highway Patrol Trooper David Hicks, who investigated the May 2006 car-accident causing Michelle to lose her baby Highway Patrol Trooper David Hicks, who investigated the crash..

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Michelle's doctor told Jason and Michelle the wreck did not cause her to lose the baby. Other "facts" about the wreck are wrong. They're not important, but are wrong.


Wrong again.
The skinny on what Michelle's doctor "told" her comes from the "Jason is my idol and his butt is so sweet" gang. As I said before, no medical professional would have advised attempting let alone succeeding to conceive.
 
  • #362
This is patently false.
There is no way in hell any medical professional would have advised conception of another child so soon for a host of physiological reasons you wouldn't understand.

Oh my goodness, a voice of reason.
Thank you!
 
  • #363
Oh my goodness, a voice of reason.
Thank you!


You're welcome. I'm new as you can probably tell but I've been reading some. There is a lot of crap posted here, mostly by one person whom I suspect is close to the Young family. Perhaps too close. When the gene pool is so shallow it is ill advised to dive into it.
 
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  • #365
Well, when no one has new news, I will continue my efforts to correct misinformation in old news.

clipped from Polksaladannie's thread======

Highway Patrol Trooper David Hicks, who investigated the May 2006 car-accident causing Michelle to lose her baby Highway Patrol Trooper David Hicks, who investigated the crash..

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Michelle's doctor told Jason and Michelle the wreck did not cause her to lose the baby. Other "facts" about the wreck are wrong. They're not important, but are wrong.

Well, what a amazing coincidence.
We will have to add that to the large and ever growing lists of coincidences.
Likely cause of death for MY's second baby? Blunt force trauma to the abdomen causing damage to the placenta which meant less or no oxygen could get to the baby and he died of hypoxia (reduced oxygen due to restricted blood flow through the placenta) or anoxia (complete loss of blood flow with consequent complete loss of oxygen through the placenta). Long before Jason had racked up so many coincidences, that investigating highway patrolman probably did not think it was suspicious. Now though? Suspicious as he11.
 
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  • #367
Well, what a amazing coincidence.
We will have to add that to the large and ever growing lists of coincidences.
Likely cause of death for MY's second baby? Blunt force trauma to the abdomen causing damage to the placenta which meant less or no oxygen could get to the baby and he died of hypoxia (reduced oxygen due to restricted blood flow through the placenta) or anoxia (complete loss of blood flow with consequent complete loss of oxygen through the placenta). Long before Jason had racked up so many coincidences, that investigating highway patrolman probably did not think it was suspicious. Now though? Suspicious as he11.

Traffic accidents/investigations: now we're talking something I know something about, LOL. I also am quite experienced in the fine nuances (sp?) of what an officer will say in public and on paper (case reports) on causes of accidents. THEN there's his/her own personal opinions that will not be publicly stated, as it's their opinion only - yet can come from years of experience. In most investigations, there will be several levels of chain of command reviews. Some of those can become quite involved with disagreements, etc. Questionable details will be reviewed.

What is interesting to note is that unless an officer is absolutely sure, they will NOT want to put the burden of an accident on someone unless they are really confident. As it should be. There was a recent case where a HP officer was sure that the cause of a crash was a teen's suicide, but the public outcry was so loud over that, that the HP agency didn't want to go public with that at the time. They elected to determine it was an "accident" at the time, knowing that upon further investigation, time is on their side - they can amend the report and investigation later. It's awfully hard to tell a mother or father that their son committed suicide by vehicle. The officers better have those proverbial I's and T's handled before making such a finding. That's just human nature.

And...as you hit upon, initial case reports are based upon information known at that time, based upon investigation at that time. Details can become known at a later date, which may change the initial findings a little, or a lot!

IMO, but based upon a little experience as well...I haven't seen enough to convince me that that Jason's crash was anything other than accidental. So, I'm giving Jason the benefit of the doubt on this crash!

And I am 99.9998% sure that based upon what has happened since then, has been greatly discussed by the accident investigators (actually we know that)....but the key part of that? IF, and that's IF, they decide it wasn't a clear cut "accident" they will NOT make that information public at this time. No way. It will be held tight, as part of the larger criminal investigation. They have no reason, nor duty, to alert the public or family, or even Jason, of such a change, at this time. JMO.

FYI, more agencies are revising their vehicle "accident" forms to change the word from "accident" to "crash" to greater distinguish that all auto crashes are indeed NOT accidents.
 
  • #368
DD

Point well taken. I do think however, that LE has looked at this accident from a different perspective than they had originally. The story about his running off the road to his right and overcorrecting and then veering across two lanes and down 100 feet when Cassidy was not with them and Michelle just happened to have her seat belt off? I've done the whole overcorrecting thing too but never have I veered across one lane let alone two. Wonder if there were skid marks? I don't find it odd that Michelle would have deactivated her air bag. Air bags + pregnant women=trauma. Seat belt? She was a good mother to Cassidy. That tells me that she would have taken good care of her while she was in utero. I see no reason to believe she would not do the same with her second pregnancy and taking care would include wearing a seatbelt. So, unhooking the seat belt (although we all do it) is hinky.
 
  • #369
This is patently false.
There is no way in hell any medical professional would have advised conception of another child so soon for a host of physiological reasons you wouldn't understand.

You're right. I'm just a man.

However, you jump the gun. No one advised Michelle to have another child. Who told you someone did?
 
  • #370
Pease enlighten us to the "fact" of what DID cause Michelle to lose her baby?

Liveoutloud will tell you. I can't understand things like that.
 
  • #371
DD

Point well taken. I do think however, that LE has looked at this accident from a different perspective than they had originally. The story about his running off the road to his right and overcorrecting and then veering across two lanes and down 100 feet when Cassidy was not with them and Michelle just happened to have her seat belt off? I've done the whole overcorrecting thing too but never have I veered across one lane let alone two. Wonder if there were skid marks? I don't find it odd that Michelle would have deactivated her air bag. Air bags + pregnant women=trauma. Seat belt? She was a good mother to Cassidy. That tells me that she would have taken good care of her while she was in utero. I see no reason to believe she would not do the same with her second pregnancy and taking care would include wearing a seatbelt. So, unhooking the seat belt (although we all do it) is hinky.

Agree it's awfully coincidental (hmmm, again)...and I'm sure the investigators are looking at it as part of the bigger picture. From what I'm hearing, they are a quite competent bunch down there.
 
  • #372
You're right. I'm just a man.

However, you jump the gun. No one advised Michelle to have another child. Who told you someone did?


You're relying on the use of semantics.
Not a problem as I, too, can do that.
It does make your argument weak though your grammar may be strong.
 
  • #373
You're welcome. I'm new as you can probably tell but I've been reading some. There is a lot of crap posted here, mostly by one person whom I suspect is close to the Young family. Perhaps too close. When the gene pool is so shallow it is ill advised to dive into it.

Bashing insults always get better information. You should try it. It makes posters more eager to share.

Now there's the sarcasm some posters love so much.
 
  • #374
Agree it's awfully coincidental (hmmm, again)...and I'm sure the investigators are looking at it as part of the bigger picture. From what I'm hearing, they are a quite competent bunch down there.

I'm hopeful that you are right about their competency.
I have not read as much as I probably need to but I plan on spending this weekend do just that.
 
  • #375
Well, what a amazing coincidence.
We will have to add that to the large and ever growing lists of coincidences.
Likely cause of death for MY's second baby? Blunt force trauma to the abdomen causing damage to the placenta which meant less or no oxygen could get to the baby and he died of hypoxia (reduced oxygen due to restricted blood flow through the placenta) or anoxia (complete loss of blood flow with consequent complete loss of oxygen through the placenta). Long before Jason had racked up so many coincidences, that investigating highway patrolman probably did not think it was suspicious. Now though? Suspicious as he11.

All I know is second hand from what the doctor told Jason and Jason told me. Where does your info come from?
 
  • #376
All I know is second hand from what the doctor told Jason and Jason told me. Where does your info come from?

Physics.
Anatomy and physiology.
Undergraduate degree in mechanized systems engineering.
Been to the NHTSA in Virginia as a result of the above.
How's that for a start?
 
  • #377
DD

Point well taken. I do think however, that LE has looked at this accident from a different perspective than they had originally. The story about his running off the road to his right and overcorrecting and then veering across two lanes and down 100 feet when Cassidy was not with them and Michelle just happened to have her seat belt off? I've done the whole overcorrecting thing too but never have I veered across one lane let alone two. Wonder if there were skid marks? I don't find it odd that Michelle would have deactivated her air bag. Air bags + pregnant women=trauma. Seat belt? She was a good mother to Cassidy. That tells me that she would have taken good care of her while she was in utero. I see no reason to believe she would not do the same with her second pregnancy and taking care would include wearing a seatbelt. So, unhooking the seat belt (although we all do it) is hinky.

More disinformation to correct.

First hand measurement: Not 100 feet. Less than 30 feet. I stood on the roadside (about 1 foot shoulder) and measured.

Second hand from Jason: Michelle's seat belt was fastened. Jason had taken his off to check a noise in back.

Second hand from Jason: He carried Michelle up the bank to the road to wait for help.

Police report: accident.
 
  • #378
Bashing insults always get better information. You should try it. It makes posters more eager to share.

Now there's the sarcasm some posters love so much.


You have me confused with someone who cares.
 
  • #379
More disinformation to correct.

First hand measurement: Not 100 feet. Less than 30 feet. I stood on the roadside (about 1 foot shoulder) and measured.

Second hand from Jason: Michelle's seat belt was fastened. Jason had taken his off to check a noise in back.

Second hand from Jason: He carried Michelle up the bank to the road to wait for help.

Police report: accident.


I would agree with you if I thought you were right.
Jason had removed his seat belt to check a noise in back? While driving? That's intelligent.
You're a busy little man. Wherever Jason has been, you are. You were also at the crime scene I'm told.
 
  • #380
Physics.
Anatomy and physiology.
Undergraduate degree in mechanized systems engineering.
Been to the NHTSA in Virginia as a result of the above.
How's that for a start?

Not so good. You don't know what the doctor told the Youngs.
 
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