Thread No. 23 - General Discussion

[april4sky]

With such a dreadful murder which left a very bloody crime scene I'm amazed no one has yet been charged with Michelle's murder.

I hope the police are still confident they will be able to arrest and charge her killer soon. :behindbar

Prayers and justice for Michelle.

 

[raisincharlie]

Birthday wishes to a special little girl this weekend. Cassidy will be 4 years old. Her little brother might have been about a year old now. Sure wish her Mother and baby brother were around to share this event with her.

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Birthday wishes to a special little girl this weekend. Cassidy will be 4 years old. Her little brother might have been about a year old now. Sure wish her Mother and baby brother were around to share this event with her.

Very well put, RC.

 

[curious1]

Birthday wishes to a special little girl this weekend. Cassidy will be 4 years old. Her little brother might have been about a year old now. Sure wish her Mother and baby brother were around to share this event with her.

Aww, that was sweet RC. It is all just so sad.

 

[sweetmop]

:blowkiss: Happy Birthday Cassidy!

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

 

[raisincharlie]

:blowkiss: Happy Birthday Cassidy!

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

I suspect this birthday has had a few surprises. Hope she enjoyed her brief visit with her maternal Grandmother and Aunt.

 

[NCBanker]

Jilly

The SW said it was a 'receipt', not a reservation print-out. Hampton Inn's show date of stay as 'check-in date'...11-2-06.

Looks like he left Raleigh around 5:15 am, arriving back @ HI 7:45 am
Left Hillsville for Clintwood around 8 am, arriving around 10:30 am.

Sorry if this has already been discussed and put to rest. I just noticed this statement and have to ask, where has this been established and by whom? Is this a published fact or more of a subjective statement?

 

[Just the Fax]

Sorry if this has already been discussed and put to rest. I just noticed this statement and have to ask, where has this been established and by whom? Is this a published fact or more of a subjective statement?

100% speculation on my part. JY told friends he has a 10 am appointment and he arrived 30 minutes late. That would put his departure from Hillsville around 8 am.

The time-line leaving Raleigh that am was probably close to 5 am......

 

[raisincharlie]

Sorry if this has already been discussed and put to rest. I just noticed this statement and have to ask, where has this been established and by whom? Is this a published fact or more of a subjective statement?

If this has been established as fact - the only ones who know it to be fact are LE. LE isn't talking about it.


ETA - neither is jy.

 

[Just the Fax]

If this has been established as fact - the only ones who know it to be fact are LE. LE isn't talking about it.


ETA - neither is jy.

JY did a lot of talking in the days before the funeral. He did tell his friend he arrived 30 minutes late to his meeting (10:30 am).
Now, we have no idea if he was telling the truth, but it is a fact that is what he said.

 

[raisincharlie]

JY did a lot of talking in the days before the funeral. He did tell his friend he arrived 30 minutes late to his meeting (10:30 am).
Now, we have no idea if he was telling the truth, but it is a fact that is what he said.

As I said - only LE knows if it is a fact - they aren't talking and neither is jy.

What lies he told his friends are simply that and not worthy of belief or consideration as fact. What he hasn't said speaks more to the truth.

 

[jilly]

I watched 48 hrs Mystery last nite and they presented a murder case about a college professor Tom Murray who's wife (Carmin) was murdered in Kansas Nov 2003. They had a daughter who was almost 5 at the time.

I thought of Michelle the entire time.

Murray talked to LE for 10 hrs (I think) and he talked his way out of everything. He had small cuts on his hands and bruises on his wrists. In the end they didn't have much against him - only a lot of talk. Didn't find the bloody clothing and never found the murder weapon.

Carmin had left Murray and lived in Lawrence, Kan, 1.5 hrs away from him in Manhattan, Kan. On the day of the murder, Murray was seen at 8:30am when he dropped his daughter off at the babysitters and again around noon when he got her back.

11 months after the murder, the pros decided to take a chance on the CE, however after that decision the DA was voted out of office and the new young DA had never tried a murder case before. In Kansas, however, the victims are allowed to hire a special prosecutor to help the DA so they did that.

Prosecution was able to show that Murray could drive from his home in Manhattan to Lawrence, have plenty of time to kill Carmin and return home.

There was no DNA found at the scene and this was a brutal stabbing & attempted strangulation. A struggle. The pros showed motive was a previous blow-up at a mediation meeting about custody.

Most powerful forensic evidence was on Murray's computer. Yahoo searchs for "murder for hire" "how to hire an assassin", "how to make a bomb" and "how to murder someone and not get caught". Murray explained that by saying he was thinking about writing a script for CSI. He also sent emails which showed his anger with Carmin - "I'm increasingly coming to feel like an animal that's een backed into a corner."

Defense argued there was a mystery bloodstain on Carmin's sink that suggested someone else was a Carmin's house. Pros attacked def expert saying he didn't have any certification in the area of bloodstain analysis.

Murray was found guilty of 1st deg murder.

If anyone wants to read this it's here:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/05/12/48hours/main694835.shtml

After seeing this, I believe that the Pros will eventually try jason young. I think if there was anything on jy's computer he would have been charged by now. I think he probably went to the library to do his searching. I'm wondering what he said to Michelle Money in his emails and I'm wondering what Michelle Young said to her therapist. I'm curious about any marks jason had when he had to submit to the NTO. Of course that was about 5 days after the murder so who knows if he'd healed.

Anyways...this guy Murray only had 3.5 hrs to drive to his wife, commit the murder and get back home. The drive itself was 3 hrs. jason had the whole nite.

 

[Just the Fax]

As I said - only LE knows if it is a fact - they aren't talking and neither is jy.

What lies he told his friends are simply that and not worthy of belief or consideration as fact. What he hasn't said speaks more to the truth.

Why would he tell them he arrived 30 minutes late if he did not ?
His words were few and he had no reason to lie about this revelation .
IMO, I do think he was late and knew that would come out as fact very soon (if the administrator leaked). He told his buds he got lost to cover the extra time he was in Raleigh.

 

[raisincharlie]

Why would he tell them he arrived 30 minutes late if he did not ?
His words were few and he had no reason to lie about this revelation .
IMO, I do think he was late and knew that would come out as fact very soon (if the administrator leaked). He told his buds he got lost to cover the extra time he was in Raleigh.

Same reason he didn't tell them where that meeting was and the simple fact that he was only 2.5 hours from his home. CYA.

 

[Just the Fax]

Same reason he didn't tell them where that meeting was and the simple fact that he was only 2.5 hours from his home. CYA.

Oh, but he told them where the hotel was.....It was immediately established he was only 2.5 hours from Raleigh....

 

[raisincharlie]

Oh, but he told them where the hotel was.....It was immediately established he was only 2.5 hours from Raleigh....

Who cares really ? I don't care what he told who. I care that he hasn't bothered to tell LE. I can tell you something right now and by the time you tell 10 people - it will be something I never told you.

I don't care what he told or who he told - he has not told LE anything and right now they are the only ones who matter. Friends and family will hear what they want to hear.

 

[Just the Fax]

Who cares really ? I don't care what he told who. I care that he hasn't bothered to tell LE. I can tell you something right now and by the time you tell 10 people - it will be something I never told you.

I don't care what he told or who he told - he has not told LE anything and right now they are the only ones who matter. Friends and family will hear what they want to hear.

Well, it is quite apparent YOU don't care. Maybe some of the other readers think what I post is valid and find this time-line credible.
Leave it up to them to decide "who cares".

By the way raisincharlie, I am NOT reporting what someone told "10 people". I am reporting what Jason Young told 2 people direct and those same people told me. Like I said before, there is no reason to lie about this story, as it certainly does not help his cause.

 

[NCBanker]

Well, it is quite apparent YOU don't care. Maybe some of the other readers think what I post is valid and find this time-line credible.
Leave it up to them to decide "who cares".

By the way raisincharlie, I am NOT reporting what someone told "10 people". I am reporting what Jason Young told 2 people direct and those same people told me. Like I said before, there is no reason to lie about this story, as it certainly does not help his cause.

OK Kids - let's play nice in the sandbox... :crazy:

 

[raisincharlie]

Well, it is quite apparent YOU don't care. Maybe some of the other readers think what I post is valid and find this time-line credible.
Leave it up to them to decide "who cares".

By the way raisincharlie, I am NOT reporting what someone told "10 people". I am reporting what Jason Young told 2 people direct and those same people told me. Like I said before, there is no reason to lie about this story, as it certainly does not help his cause.

You need to quit taking things personal, it skews one's ability to perceive the point being made. Its not about you. Sorry YOU can't figure that part out.

My point was very simple and spoken from my perspective alone - it does not matter what JY told anyone or when he did so, friends, family, or foes. What he told people was self serving and would be found out regardless - so on this point I will agree.

What also matters, even more, is what he didn't tell, and refuses to tell LE. For example, he hasn't bothered to tell anyone he murdered his wife and son. This IMO speaks much louder than what he has bothered to say to 2 people directly who then reported to you. So we are clear, this is my opinion and not subject to approval.

 

[pack_fan]

Hey Fax,

You been spreading my posts around without asking?

You should be ashamed!

ETA:

My husband wouldn't be happy.....