Tiger kills man at San Francisco Zoo

[Floh]

It's an especially good point when you combine it with your earlier post about police reports mentioning the officers actually seeing Tatiana biting one of the boys. Either a conspiracy began even before the ambulance was admitted onto zoo grounds, a conspiracy which would benefit the brothers, not the zoo, or the boys really were bit and systematically attacked. Other witnesses would instantly have to have been in on a conspiracy, too, because they reported seeing injuries, too.

Plus, if we all really think about this: Would the hospital have kept those brothers if they were only scratched? Would the hospital have exaggerated the severity of the wounds?

As an aside, and just to point out the amazing resiliance of a strong, youthful body: My young adult son recently suffered a complete respiratory shutdown. He stayed a period of time without oxygen.......a long enough time to cause his kidneys to shut down, to bring about a heart attack and (as we found out later) a major stroke. He was in ICU on LIFE SUPPORT for several days, and walked out of the hospital soon afterwards. Other than having to take precautions, like taking a baby aspirin every day, he is left with no significant deficits.......no significant deficits, even though he suffered (and I am quoting the nuerologist here) massive brain damage to the deep part of the brain that controls movements. My son should not be able to walk, talk, read, or function in any viable way, but don't tell him that! Because other than a slight limp, he is perfect in every way.

These brothers, whether they are "good people" or not, and it sure sounds like they're not, ARE young. And the young are amazing.

What a wonderful recovery your son has made! good for him and long may it continue.

 

[hockeymom]

Not that this makes the zoo any less liable for not meeting standards,but I heard on the news this morning that the boys had sling shots on them. What that means,who knows?
I think the boys were up to no good,but its is up to the zoo to keep the public safe,even if it is their own stupidity that gets them into trouble.

 

[Pharlap]

Not that this makes the zoo any less liable for not meeting standards,but I heard on the news this morning that the boys had sling shots on them. What that means,who knows?
I think the boys were up to no good,but its is up to the zoo to keep the public safe,even if it is their own stupidity that gets them into trouble.

Heard that too. Pine cones and rocks and sticks(don't know what size).:doh:
Hope ALL zoos will put up cams so this doesn't happen again.
Also few more employee's at closing to check and recheck the goings on.

 

[JBean]

This is OT but I was talking to a few posters earlier in this thread about cats in my area where I ride my bike. Lo and behold a lion came down in our area yesterday. Glad I wasn't on my bike
http://www.ocregister.com/news/tree-mountain-waiting-1951921-cat-lion
Monday, December 31, 2007
Mountain lion spotted in San Juan Capistrano

Cat was shot with tranquilizer dart by animal control, but would not climb down from tree, authorities said.

SAN JUAN CAPISTRANO – It will likely be the biggest cat Jo Ann Merrell’s dog, Cody, ever chases up a tree.
But despite facing a mountain lion about five times its size, the small sheltie wouldn’t back down.
Merrell said she knew her 20-pound dog was greatly outmatched when a 100-pound mountain lion made its way into her backyard Monday afternoon. She was watering her plants when Cody started barking.

 

[bakerprune64]

Did I hear/read somewhere that they found a bloody shoe by the gate near the mote? I think these boys taunted this animal, and got what they deserved. I don't feel badly fo them at all and think they need to come forward. But doubt that they will...cowards. Yes I do agree that the zoo should be protecting people from their own stupidity.

 

[hockeymom]

Did I hear/read somewhere that they found a bloody shoe by the gate near the mote? I think these boys taunted this animal, and got what they deserved. I don't feel badly fo them at all and think they need to come forward. But doubt that they will...cowards. Yes I do agree that the zoo should be protecting people from their own stupidity.

I think the shoe thing was found to be untrue.
If these boys went to the zoo with sling shots,(where would one even buy a slingshot?) ,with the intent to taunt animals,it makes you really wonder what kind of people they are? I mean it would be bad enough to go there and spontaneously decide to throw something,but to plan it? Thats just not right.

 

[southcitymom]

Did I hear/read somewhere that they found a bloody shoe by the gate near the mote? I think these boys taunted this animal, and got what they deserved. I don't feel badly fo them at all and think they need to come forward. But doubt that they will...cowards. Yes I do agree that the zoo should be protecting people from their own stupidity.

Baker,

I believe that this has been resolved as untrue, but someone please correct me if I am wrong.

 

[dark_shadows]

(where would one even buy a slingshot?)

My dearest Hockeymom,:blowkiss:
These slingshots are not legal to own in New York, I wonder if this type was used;

Click here for link


Wow have things changed since I was a kid! There are now fiber optic sights that can be attached and light up for a better aim. Here is the link to it. http://www.slingshots.com/html/slingshot_rotating_sights.html


I wonder if they looked for something like this around the area of the tiger enclosure...

so much Love and Respect,
dark_shadows

 

[Details]

The shoe I've heard was not true, probably some reporter going overboard on the shoe-print report - but the slingshot seems more solid. And that wouldn't surprise me. Given everything - the general character of the brothers (anyone who won't talk to police and help them as their supposed friend (heck, even an enemy) is bleeding to death - they're below contempt to me), past police reports, I figured some taunting had to be going on - and since Tiger's don't understand English, nor blonde jokes, it had to be physical. I'd figured a BB gun, but a slingshot is even more likely.

 

[panthera]

I wonder why they would pay $11.00 each to get into the zoo to do drugs? surely there are cheaper (cost free) places to go? :waitasec:

There's a lot of open space to wander around and not be seen by other people especially on Christmas at closing time when it's dark. There's the food area where alcohol is served. I'd hate to think they went there with plans to harm the animals, but I sure wouldn't put it past them either.

 

[panthera]

I think the shoe thing was found to be untrue.
If these boys went to the zoo with sling shots,(where would one even buy a slingshot?) ,with the intent to taunt animals,it makes you really wonder what kind of people they are? I mean it would be bad enough to go there and spontaneously decide to throw something,but to plan it? Thats just not right.

I heard there were pine cones found in the tiger's grotto that wouldn't have fallen there naturally, but a slingshot? OMG! I hadn't thought of that and it does sound possible, or something else like a BB gun, but wouldn't there be more evidence found in her grotto? It just makes me sick to think of what these three could've been up to but it doesn't sound good since they lied to Carlos's dad and then ran away from Carlos after the tiger had attacked him.

 

[fundiva]

Post #274 tells what the document says about what happened that night. It says that both brothers were injured in the back of the head. If that's true, then those injuries might not be that visible in a video.

The video showed the brothers from both the front as they walked towards the reporters and briefly from the back as they walked back into the hospital. One had a hoodie on covering the back of his head, but he had no scratches or bandages on his neck or head. The other brother did not have a hat or hoodie. He also had no visible scratches nor bandages. There also were no shaved areas, which usually happens with scalp wounds when they have to stitch them up.

 

[southcitymom]

I heard there were pine cones found in the tiger's grotto that wouldn't have fallen there naturally, but a slingshot? OMG! I hadn't thought of that and it does sound possible, or something else like a BB gun, but wouldn't there be more evidence found in her grotto? It just makes me sick to think of what these three could've been up to but it doesn't sound good since they lied to Carlos's dad and then ran away from Carlos after the tiger had attacked him.

We don't know this to be true.

 

[southcitymom]

The video showed the brothers from both the front as they walked towards the reporters and briefly from the back as they walked back into the hospital. One had a hoodie on covering the back of his head, but he had no scratches or bandages on his neck or head. The other brother did not have a hat or hoodie. He also had no visible scratches nor bandages. There also were no shaved areas, which usually happens with scalp wounds when they have to stitch them up.

As kgeaux pointed out in an earlier post, it's (IMHO) ludicrous to question whether or not the brothers were hurt by the tiger. Too many people would have to be in on the conspiracy (LE, witnesses, ambulance workers, hospital employees) to pretend they were harmed when they actually were not. Enough independent sources verify that the brothers were attacked by the tigers.

Now - how badly they were hurt and did they somehow taunt the tiger into aggression - those questions still seem open and up in the air to me. The slingshot stories are most interesting.

 

[panthera]

We don't know this to be true.

Maybe I misread something but I thought Carlos was found nearby her grotto and the others had run back to the food court which was some distance away, like 300 yd.?

 

[Buzz Mills]

Sticks, and pine cones, were found where they shouldn't have been. Anything else found hasn't been diviulged. The brothers were bitten, and clawed. Tigers have very large teeth, and very long, and strong, claws. The presence of the young men, and the timing of the incident, both lend themselves to the suspicion that there was intent on the young men's part to create a disturbance. The fact that the two brrothers refused to provide their names, or the name of the deceased, when first questioned, also lends to the suspicion.

 

[Buzz Mills]

Maybe I misread something but I thought Carlos was found nearby her grotto and the others had run back to the food court which was some distance away, like 300 yd.?

That's true.

 

[bakerprune64]

I think the shoe thing was found to be untrue.
If these boys went to the zoo with sling shots,(where would one even buy a slingshot?) ,with the intent to taunt animals,it makes you really wonder what kind of people they are? I mean it would be bad enough to go there and spontaneously decide to throw something,but to plan it? Thats just not right.

Thank you for responding. I have been following the story on and off. Again, If they were taunting the animal, they got what they deserved, IMO.

 

[southcitymom]

Maybe I misread something but I thought Carlos was found nearby her grotto and the others had run back to the food court which was some distance away, like 300 yd.?

You are correct, but I took your initial post to infer that they didn't first try to help Carlos - either before the tiger attacked him or after. At some point - it is true - the brothers ran back to the food court for help - but what they did or didn't do to help Carlos, we simply cannot say.

 

[dark_shadows]

Not saying that they did use slingshots, but if they did......

Here is an article from China dated April 23, 2007. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/china/article1690634.ece

The boy and his friends used slingshots at the zoo and a boy was killed by a croc.



Respectfully,
dark_shadows