Tim Bosma: Dellen Millard & Mark Smich chgd w/Murder; Christina Noudga, Accessory #3

[matou]

r.e. neighbours complaining about his speeding: he likely was speeding on the main roadways leading up to his house. I remember the photos of his truck with the shopping cart in the back with the groceries in it. Showing off for his friends IMO. There are skid marks in front of Smich's house too. Likely from DM's ride.

 

[Carli]

Maybe this is just a tip of the iceberg. MS was obviously stupid enough to get caught for breaking laws. DM, wonder how he managed to steer clear of charges. Guess you have to be caught with your hand in the cookie jar. MOO.

In 2009, a former tenant at Dellen’s west-end Toronto rental property —who was engaged in a dispute with him before the Landlord Tenant Board at the time—reported to police that she had found Millard and his friends tampering with the engine of her car the night before her hearing. A few years back, a neighbour of the Millards (who asked not to be identified) complained to police that Dellen and his buddies sped dangerously down the child-filled street. (Nothing came of these complaints.)

http://www.thegridto.com/index.html?p=158713.html

I guess the call may well have gone along these lines....

"Hello, officer? You've gotta get over here right away. You see I haven't paid my rent in a while and now my SOB landlord is trying to seize my car."

MOO. IMHO.

 

[Tamarind]

Can you provide the source for this info please?

Why would someone need a source for what they clearly say is their opinion?

 

[Tamarind]

r.e. neighbours complaining about his speeding: he likely was speeding on the main roadways leading up to his house. I remember the photos of his truck with the shopping cart in the back with the groceries in it. Showing off for his friends IMO. There are skid marks in front of Smich's house too. Likely from DM's ride.

What makes you think it's from DM's car? I thought all tires left grey black skid marks, does DM's car have a different colour tires?

 

[Carli]

r.e. neighbours complaining about his speeding: he likely was speeding on the main roadways leading up to his house. I remember the photos of his truck with the shopping cart in the back with the groceries in it. Showing off for his friends IMO. There are skid marks in front of Smich's house too. Likely from DM's ride.

Skid marks in front of the Smich residence? Where?

Respectfully, if you're referring to the edges of the pavement on the driveway and on the road, they look like residual grunge and dampness after a rainfall to me. The same phenomenon can be seen in the next block too. Are you referring to some other photos?

 

[Alethea Dice]

So DM had "more than a dozen" guys pointing guns at him, and MS got a home visit by "a ten-man SWAT team" (to handle MS and whoever else was in the house and the dogs)

By the numbers, DM needed more guys...was he the bigger threat?

The ten-man SWAT team were the extras. Or as this man says - "guys dressed like paratroopers or military people, and looked like sub-machine guns and military equipment on them, and then a whole crowd of cops were around"

http://www.citynews.ca/2013/05/22/neighbours-shocked-after-mark-smich-arrested-in-bosma-murder/

I'd say, by the numbers and the equipment, MS was the bigger threat. Tactical unit, plus cops, plus sub-machine guns, plus tear gas sounds a lot bigger to me than a dozen plain clothes cops with vests on and their hand guns drawn.

JMO

 

[Alethea Dice]

Can you provide the source for this info please?

Not sure if this has been answered yet.

C* said they used what looked like tear gas, before the heavily armed SWAT team barged through the front door.

http://www.theifp.ca/news-story/5369660-oakville-man-arrested-in-tim-bosma-murder/

Then they arrested him down the street and about 15 police and the canine unit searched the area around his house and the ravine.

Mark Smich, who is known to police, was taken into custody in Oakville, on Dorval Dr., north of Wycroft Dr., shortly after 10 a.m. Wednesday. Police also executed another search warrant, one of 15 they have now conducted, at a house on nearby Montrose Abbey Dr. that is believed to be Smich’s home.

Neighbours said they saw heavily armed tactical officers enter the two-storey brick house around 9:30 a.m.

http://www.nugget.ca/2013/05/22/tim-bosma-case-hamilton-police-make-second-arrest

Edit: removed links to twitter photos as links didn't work.

 

[Alethea Dice]

I guess the call may well have gone along these lines....

"Hello, officer? You've gotta get over here right away. You see I haven't paid my rent in a while and now my SOB landlord is trying to seize my car."

MOO. IMHO.

I wonder if she made it to her hearing the next morning. :thinking:

 

[Sillybilly]

A former tenant hmm. Tampering with her engine ? What did she do leave her car unlocked to give them easy access to the hood latch? How can you tamper with a car at night in the dark without having access to the vehicle? Now if she had said they let hers tires down, I may have been interested, but tampering with engine? No name given, just former tenant who has come out of hiding to tell this questionable snippet of non-information IMO

I was responding to your question ^^ about how someone would have access to the vehicle (which IMO appeared to be the point of your post).

Yes we know, thats part of my point , you see no-one was charged !!!

Reference to police being called was not contained anywhere in your post, so apologies if I misunderstood and your point was not obvious to me.

All that aside … we don’t know whether or not the incident was documented. Just because nobody was charged doesn't mean the incident didn't happen. I’ve called police numerous times when the situation has not resulted in charges being laid. Sometimes it's just a matter of LE attendance and diffusing a situation. Doesn't mean I'm a liar and the incident never happened.

 

[Sillybilly]

I guess the call may well have gone along these lines....

"Hello, officer? You've gotta get over here right away. You see I haven't paid my rent in a while and now my SOB landlord is trying to seize my car."

MOO. IMHO.

How do we know that it wasn't the tenant taking DM to the landlord and tenant hearing?

From that same article about the 2009 dispute with the tenant and the other neighbour having complained to the police, the preceding paragraph states:

http://www.thegridto.com/index.html?p=158713.html

The Babcock disappearance was not the first time Dellen Millard’s name had been brought to the attention of authorities. But since TPS has released only the barest details about their investigations into the deaths of Babcock and Wayne Millard, it’s not known whether they checked for and knew about Dellen’s previous contacts with police, or just didn’t see them as significant.

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[Juballee]

r.e. neighbours complaining about his speeding: he likely was speeding on the main roadways leading up to his house. I remember the photos of his truck with the shopping cart in the back with the groceries in it. Showing off for his friends IMO. There are skid marks in front of Smich's house too. Likely from DM's ride.

Lots of people speed on main roads, that's one of the things about main roads. One of the other things about them is that if people speed there regularly, the police tend to set up their speed traps in those areas regularly, and then the locals learn not to speed there. Regardless, children should not be playing on main roads, in my opinion.

I believe that even the road leading to DM's little road has a bus route on it, so again, children should not be playing on these roads, in my opinion.

In my opinion, taking a grocery cart home with you is not showing off, otherwise homeless people would look way cooler, since they'd have way more to show off all the time. People bring carts home all the time, and they also return them, or other people drive around and pick them up...in their pick up trucks... OMG, maybe That's why DM wanted the Ram, to start a business stealing and then returning shopping carts!

 

[swedie]

Are you suggesting that framing never occurs, ever?

Are you suggesting that no-one has ever partaken in blackmail , revenge or spite?

IMO it would be quite naive for somebody to completely rule out something that most definitely DOES occur and it often involves blackmail, spite or revenge or another vindictive reason. Sometimes its for monetary gain. Either way someone benefits by way of money, assets, delight, power or satisfaction. I find it strange that anyone would want to rule it out totally when it is well within the structure of human nature for such things to occur.

Not in this case.

Not in this case.

It can and does occur, but not in this case. MOO.

 

[swedie]

The ten-man SWAT team were the extras. Or as this man says - "guys dressed like paratroopers or military people, and looked like sub-machine guns and military equipment on them, and then a whole crowd of cops were around"

http://www.citynews.ca/2013/05/22/neighbours-shocked-after-mark-smich-arrested-in-bosma-murder/

I'd say, by the numbers and the equipment, MS was the bigger threat. Tactical unit, plus cops, plus sub-machine guns, plus tear gas sounds a lot bigger to me than a dozen plain clothes cops with vests on and their hand guns drawn.

JMO

Well let's just say either arrest wasn't too pretty. :notgood:

Oh and BTW some of the information you stated was given to RC via DM. Are we suppose to take DM's word on this also? He claims he saw more than a dozen officers. That could mean IMO there could have been 20 or 30, maybe even 50 officers. Could it be DM failed to mention a SWAT team was also present during his arrest? Or maybe he just didn't see them? These couple articles are pretty much all that was stated in the MSM regarding his arrest. Sheesh for the media who seems to want to blow stories out of proportion/exaggerate or give the most riveting information available, they sure failed providing the details on this instance.

Because it states "without incident", that means DM didn't draw a gun, try to flee, or do anything which would cause LE to use force when arresting him. It's quite understandable as to why the two arrests played out differently. DM's arrest; he's driving along in his vehicle after leaving the hangar. LE gathered the necessary information from tailing him for four hours and from speaking to him at the hangar. They only had so much time to call for back up and arrest him once they knew they had their suspect. LE had a good visual of their suspect because he was in his Yukon.

MS's arrest; they likely had LE casing his home or following him for who knows how long. LE needed a search warrant before descending upon his mother's house and property. LE did not know who or what they would encounter upon entering MS's mother's house. Had a dozen guys come running out with guns, they needed to be prepared.

Did LE check out DM's vehicle at the hangar while they were speaking to him? Maybe they were checking to see if he had guns or weapons in his vehicle before they pulled him over. Maybe they saw blood or evidence; something telling in his Yukon...We will hear how it all played out during the trial. ALL MOO.

Police arrested Millard "without incident while driving" in Mississauga, Ont., on May 10, 2013. Initially, he was charged with forcible confinement and theft over $5,000.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/who-is-dellen-millard-charged-in-tim-bosma-killing-2-others-1.2605821

Millard, who police believe was driving the pickup truck during the incident, has such a tattoo, police said. Millard was arrested on Cawthra Rd. in Mississauga Saturday morning without incident. He was charged with forcible confinement and theft over $5,000.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2013/05/11/tim_bosma_arrest_made_hamilton_police_say.html

While he was driving home two hours later, Millard says, he was rear-ended as he idled at a red light.

When he got out of the car, he saw more than a dozen people &#8212; plainclothes officers with protective vests &#8212; pointing guns at him.

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/4...dellen-millard-says-he-didn-t-kill-tim-bosma/

 

[swedie]

I wonder if she made it to her hearing the next morning. :thinking:

Maybe DM didn't show and she dropped the case. He was known for being late for things. MOO.

 

[swedie]

Lots of people speed on main roads, that's one of the things about main roads. One of the other things about them is that if people speed there regularly, the police tend to set up their speed traps in those areas regularly, and then the locals learn not to speed there. Regardless, children should not be playing on main roads, in my opinion.

I believe that even the road leading to DM's little road has a bus route on it, so again, children should not be playing on these roads, in my opinion.

In my opinion, taking a grocery cart home with you is not showing off, otherwise homeless people would look way cooler, since they'd have way more to show off all the time. People bring carts home all the time, and they also return them, or other people drive around and pick them up...in their pick up trucks... OMG, maybe That's why DM wanted the Ram, to start a business stealing and then returning shopping carts!

Isn't speeding against the law? Isn't taking shopping carts off the business's property theft? Unless of course you're a decent person and return them, then I guess there isn't an issue. Something tells me DM likely didn't return his. Something tells me DM thought he was above the law no matter how trivial or serious the law was. What was the purpose of taking a shopping cart when he had his vehicle to transport his groceries in? Any idea? Needed it or a few for around the hangar possibly? Something to store car parts in? Maybe a picture of one or two will show up in evidence photos during trial. TWT.

Respectfully, I see nothing wrong with children playing on the road as long as they do it in a safe manner and drivers are aware and courteous when approaching them. Heaven forbid, all those children who have nowhere else to play road hockey, basketball, skip rope, skateboard and/or cycle. For years my children played road hockey on the road with their father and other neighbourhood families. It's sad times or attitudes have changed and children are now being told they shouldn't play on the road in their own neighbourhood. No wonder children are cooped up inside with their faces planted into computers and televisions. ALL MOO.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

R.I.P. :heartbeat:

 

[Juballee]

Maybe DM didn't show and she dropped the case. He was known for being late for things. MOO.

That's not the way court works. If all you had to do to have charges dropped when you are accused of something was fail to appear at court, no respondent would ever show up voluntarily. Hope that helps.

 

[Juballee]

Isn't speeding against the law? Isn't taking shopping carts off the business's property theft? Unless of course you're a decent person and return them, then I guess there isn't an issue. Something tells me DM likely didn't return his. Something tells me DM thought he was above the law no matter how trivial or serious the law was. What was the purpose of taking a shopping cart when he had his vehicle to transport his groceries in? Any idea? Needed it or a few for around the hangar possibly? Something to store car parts in? Maybe a picture of one or two will show up in evidence photos during trial. TWT.

Respectfully, I see nothing wrong with children playing on the road as long as they do it in a safe manner and drivers are aware and courteous when approaching them. Heaven forbid, all those children who have nowhere else to play road hockey, basketball, skip rope, skateboard and/or cycle. For years my children played road hockey on the road with their father and other neighbourhood families. It's sad times or attitudes have changed and children are now being told they shouldn't play on the road in their own neighbourhood. No wonder children are cooped up inside with their faces planted into computers and televisions. ALL MOO.

If I am reading this correctly, everyone who has ever taken a shopping cart off of store property or has ever sped driving a vehicle is not a decent person? That is highly judgemental, in my opinion. It seems to encompass every poor person who has ever bought groceries but been without a means to transport them, and everyone who has ever owned a vehicle, at one time or another. I'm sure there may be one or two perfect, decent people out there who have never gone a click over the speed limit in their lives, and who have never ended with more things than they could carry home from the store, but I've sure never met one.

I can think of one good reason why someone with a vehicle still might bring home his groceries in a cart, as well. Perhaps it was because he didn't want the groceries spilled around willy-nilly in the back of a truck bed, and perhaps he even left the store the deposit that they request when you ask to bring a cart home.

If I made it appear as if I am against children playing outside, allow me to correct myself, respectfully. If you look at a map of the area where DM's home was, you will see that it is a very well designed area. There are busy main streets, where in my opinion only a fool of a parent would allow their children to play street hockey, and then are tiny little cul-de sacs and circles springing off in regular intervals. Those tiny cul-de sacs are too short for anyone to be able to go fast on, there is no room to build up speed, and they were designed that way to make them safe for children to play street hockey or whatnot. Attitudes haven't changed about that, that is city planning and designing.

 

[Tamarind]

Not in this case.

Not in this case.

It can and does occur, but not in this case. MOO.

Without inside information suggesting it is not the case, it most definitely COULD be the case MOO
Are you aware of something we are not ?

 

[matou]

So I guess that must be the reason for taking such mundane photos of the shopping cart with the groceries in the back of the truck: he paid a deposit on the carts.