Tim Bosma: Dellen Millard & Mark Smich chgd w/Murder; Christina Noudga, Accessory #3

[swedie]

If I am reading this correctly, everyone who has ever taken a shopping cart off of store property or has ever sped driving a vehicle is not a decent person? That is highly judgemental, in my opinion. It seems to encompass every poor person who has ever bought groceries but been without a means to transport them, and everyone who has ever owned a vehicle, at one time or another. I'm sure there may be one or two perfect, decent people out there who have never gone a click over the speed limit in their lives, and who have never ended with more things than they could carry home from the store, but I've sure never met one.

I can think of one good reason why someone with a vehicle still might bring home his groceries in a cart, as well. Perhaps it was because he didn't want the groceries spilled around willy-nilly in the back of a truck bed, and perhaps he even left the store the deposit that they request when you ask to bring a cart home.

If I made it appear as if I am against children playing outside, allow me to correct myself, respectfully. If you look at a map of the area where DM's home was, you will see that it is a very well designed area. There are busy main streets, where in my opinion only a fool of a parent would allow their children to play street hockey, and then are tiny little cul-de sacs and circles springing off in regular intervals. Those tiny cul-de sacs are too short for anyone to be able to go fast on, there is no room to build up speed, and they were designed that way to make them safe for children to play street hockey or whatnot. Attitudes haven't changed about that, that is city planning and designing.

You're twisting my words. Reread if that helps.

Sheesh why don't more people think like DM then if that was his plan? :doh: What an intelligent, brilliant idea. Hoist a shopping cart full of groceries into the bed of your truck and have it roll around and/or tip over during the drive home, spilling its contents. Or maybe he had another intelligent idea to keep that from happening.

BTW it's not impossible to speed or act reckless on short streets or cul-de sacs. I lived on one with a neighbourhood guy who had a muscle car. He would turn the corner squealing his tires, speeding around the corner, accelerating the short distance to the cul-de sac, fly around the turnaround, tires squealing and then turn into his driveway. We could even hear him coming and going from blocks away at times. HTH and All MOO.

 

[SnooperDuper]

I don't know why people can't call a thief a thief. If you load a tall, high-center-of-gravity, wheeled grocery cart in the back of your truck 1) it's theft and 2) it's totally impractical, as the cart will roll or tip over at the first opportunity.

DM committed a theft. Why be surprised? It's not like he didn't steal again.

 

[swedie]

Are there any pretty arrests?
Maybe DM just imagined it all, being the liar he is made out to be. Maybe it didnt happen. Maybe he turned himself in? :laughing:

[/B]

Weren't they behind him? They rammed the rear end... unless thats a lie too. How much of a visual advantage would you have from the rear of a vehicle? :thinking:



If they were casing MS home, they would have known when he was home and who had entered or left. Why not enter the home when he was there, they entered anyway at another time, regardless of who may have been there?



So now a murder occurred in the Yukon?

According to DM they rear ended him, that tidbit I can believe. LE's visual advantage, meaning, LE had the visual advantage as in they could see him in his vehicle as opposed to MS. They either knew or didn't know he was in his mother's house and who else may have been in the house posing a threat. If LE had cased his place, even for days, doesn't mean everyone in the house actually left the house. Could it be MS was hiding out in the house for days, afraid to leave, because then LE would certainly know where he was? After all, his buddy had already been arrested. How were LE to know there wasn't a third or fourth suspect inside with MS? MOO.

Respectfully, it really helps to read posts carefully, taking them at face value, without twisting others words or creating something that isn't there. I didn't suggest the murder happened in the Yukon. There is such a thing as blood transfer. If one or both of the charged had TB's blood on them and then got inside the Yukon, there could have been a transfer. HTH and MOO.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Yeah, too bad LE won't enforce it and charge people. All those needy people disrespecting others to get their groceries home should get jail time.

I know one may buy used shopping carts "in very good state" for little money.
Maybe DM had brought his own used (bought) shopping cart to load his groceries?

 

[Alethea Dice]

DM is a needy person that despite a truck needs a cart to get his groceries home? All those millions, and he's needy?

No DM is a thief. He steals. Repeatedly.



http://www.lfpress.com/2013/04/22/staff-asked-to-recommend-possible-solutions

http://www.mississauga.ca/portal/residents/shoppingcart

Wow, DM could be facing TWO theft over $5k charges?

Or maybe his is just channeling Bubbles from the Trailer Park Boys?

I never said that. But theft is theft, whether it's DM or all those needy people who steal the carts that everyone seems to sympathize with. I was being sarcastic about the jail time, but the same laws apply to everyone.

P.S. - Theft charges are based on the value of the property stolen, not the cost of the fine.

 

[matou]

Maybe DM was selling more scrap metal to scrape up some spare cash?

 

[matou]

Exactly how was DM earning money? Was he getting an allowance once a week or actually working at a job? Is there big business in selling off scrap metal?

 

[Alethea Dice]

Oh that's nothing you can't fix with the tools in the garage in the hangar.

It sure stymies the poor people though.

But remember: DM is needy, so he NEEDS to steal a shopping cart after paying his $.25 or $1 deposit.

DM is needy, so he NEEDS to steal a Dodge RAM truck.

We are not talking economic need, just DM's needs.

No it doesn't. The poor people take them quite easily. As you can see from the picture in your link, the locked wheels don't stop anything. The ones with the deposits are the ones with the wheels that lock.

I personally don't care how poor someone is, they should not be stealing and dumping carts for any reason. One store in Hamilton loses about 200 a year. They have someone who picks up abandoned carts and returns them to the stores and that particular store gets back 10 to 15 every day. That person picks up for other stores as well and collects about 200 carts a day. It's not a small problem. 200 lost carts a year, even at $200 each, is a $40,000 a year loss.

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2223139-shopping-carts-pushed-around-stolen-and-sold-for-scrap/

But regardless of my feelings about stolen carts and your assumption of the importance of DM's needs, do you have a link showing that DM is the person that stole the cart in question?

 

[Alethea Dice]

Exactly how was DM earning money? Was he getting an allowance once a week or actually working at a job? Is there big business in selling off scrap metal?

I guess that would depend on when you are referring to. Apparently he was pretty hands on with the hangar since he was the one in the negotiation meetings with the airport in the planning stages and he seemed to be the one who met with an unproductive employee. If the company is paying all those employees while they wait for business to come in, I don't know why an officer of the company wouldn't get paid too.

JMO

 

[swedie]

Exactly how was DM earning money? Was he getting an allowance once a week or actually working at a job? Is there big business in selling off scrap metal?

Drugs? Chop shop? Photography? Chef? Maybe the producer of gore video MS starred in hired DM to do make up and special effects? Flipping houses was not a real profit maker for him, according to him. That just may have been it Matou. Dear old dad had DM over a barrel. Work or your wages get cut off. MOO.

IIRC back, when more information was shed on LB, there was speculation DM may have been involved in the sex trade business. Guess nothing more has come of that speculation, just some denial. Could DM have been the one who suggested this lifestyle to LB, and was he the one who introduce LB to drugs? Apparently according to articles, she knew who she could turn to to get drugs. I added the years in brackets to the snipped portions of the articles. Does anyone know exactly when LB and DM met? TIA. MOO.

Carbone also said that Babcock became involved in the sex trade as an Internet escort in the months before her disappearance. He said Millard and Babcock had a “romantic relationship,” but that it was not a “traditional dating” one.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/0...ng-woman-laura-babcock-through-phone-records/

Looking back, her friends say the tipping point was when Babcock and Lerner broke up that December (2011).

That June (2012) Thomas Ryan called his niece to talk about his upcoming wedding near the end of the month. She told him she wanted to bring a new date, but was upset when Ryan said no.

“She said he’d be taking her travelling for a little bit. She was impressed that he was a good photographer and had money and a good-looking fella,” Ryan said about the new flame he now believes was Millard. Babcock never showed up to the wedding.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2...ck_leaves_lingering_questions_for_police.html

 

[swedie]

From this article dated June 2013. I doubt his situation has changed and gives some people piece of mind. If he's found guilty, I doubt much will change other then his address. Maybe they will allow him to be a chef in the kitchen. MOO.

Paradkar said he has no complaints about his client’s treatment in jail. “They have treated him with respect and maintained his security,” he said.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2013/06/13/tim_bosma_murder_trial_could_be_held_in_late_2014.html

 

[cansleuther]

IIRC back, when more information was shed on LB, there was speculation DM may have been involved in the sex trade business. Guess nothing more has come of that speculation, just some denial. Could DM have been the one who suggested this lifestyle to LB, and was he the one who introduce LB to drugs? Apparently according to articles, she knew who she could turn to to get drugs. I added the years in brackets to the snipped portions of the articles. Does anyone know exactly when LB and DM met? TIA. MOO.

It's not an exact date, but SL said that LB and DM had been friends for 'several years'.

The woman and Mr. Millard had been friends for several years, Mr. Lerner said.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/05/18/missing-woman-reportedly-contacted-murder-suspect-dellen-millard-before-her-disappearance/

 

[swedie]

It's not an exact date, but SL said that LB and DM had been friends for 'several years'.



http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/05/18/missing-woman-reportedly-contacted-murder-suspect-dellen-millard-before-her-disappearance/

So prior to her meeting DM it appeared as though LB had her life on track.

Almost a full year after TB's murder, new details and another look into LB's disappearance, LE have charged DM and MS with her murder. Obviously LE didn't rush into judgement. And to state she was murdered AND on a particular day, leads me to believe there is solid evidence to prove both accused were involved, how she was murdered and disposed of. JMO.

Those close to Babcock, 23, knew about her deteriorating mental health months before she vanished in early July 2012 — before accused triple murderer Dellen Millard and his friend, Mark Smich, were ever charged with her murder.

“Her mental health problems were nothing new,” said Lerner, who dated Babcock for 18 months. “She had them as long as I knew her. It was sort of a chronic thing she was dealing with.”

April 9, 2014: Millard and Smich are charged with Babcock’s murder. Millard is charged with his father’s murder.

http://metronews.ca/news/toronto/10...abcock-leaves-lingering-questions-for-police/

 

[cansleuther]

So prior to her meeting DM it appeared as though LB had her life on track.

LB was actually friends with DM before she started dating SL. DM even flew her to London to meet up with SL while they were dating. She also attended university and worked at the toy store at the same time she was friends with DM.

A couple years ago, #Millard flew now #missing Laura Babcock from #London to #Toronto to see her boyfriend, bf says.

https://twitter.com/tamaracherry/status/335529073038213121


It seems her downward spiral really began when she started dating DA in January of 2012.

Within weeks they were dating and Babcock quickly moved in with him. In many ways, Austerweil was the opposite of Lerner: he was unemployed, doing drugs and living in his father’s basement.

The three partied hard that night, Austerweil said, snorting coke, doing ecstasy, smoking weed and drinking.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2014/06/07/dellen_millard_murder_of_laura_babcock_leaves_lingering_questions_for_police.html


JMO

 

[Tamarind]

According to DM they rear ended him, that tidbit I can believe. LE's visual advantage, meaning, LE had the visual advantage as in they could see him in his vehicle as opposed to MS. They either knew or didn't know he was in his mother's house and who else may have been in the house posing a threat. If LE had cased his place, even for days, doesn't mean everyone in the house actually left the house. Could it be MS was hiding out in the house for days, afraid to leave, because then LE would certainly know where he was? After all, his buddy had already been arrested. How were LE to know there wasn't a third or fourth suspect inside with MS? MOO.

Respectfully, it really helps to read posts carefully, taking them at face value, without twisting others words or creating something that isn't there. I didn't suggest the murder happened in the Yukon. There is such a thing as blood transfer. If one or both of the charged had TB's blood on them and then got inside the Yukon, there could have been a transfer. HTH and MOO.

Your posts are read carefully for one reason or another. None of your words are twisted, although sometimes they may need deciphering IMO. You said about blood being in the Yukon. I simply asked if a murder had taken place in there based on the blood that you suggest was there. The fact is we don't know that there was blood inside the Yukon, so basically suggesting there was or implying it was a transfer of blood or that an assault/murder took place there is speculative at best IMO

 

[Carli]

LB was actually friends with DM before she started dating SL. DM even flew her to London to meet up with SL while they were dating. She also attended university and worked at the toy store at the same time she was friends with DM.



https://twitter.com/tamaracherry/status/335529073038213121


It seems her downward spiral really began when she started dating DA in January of 2012.





http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2...ck_leaves_lingering_questions_for_police.html


JMO

I was interested to learn that serious charges against DA were dropped in Sept. What would cause LE to drop such charges? It seems they were not investigating them very seriously at least between July and September. Otherwise wouldn't you think they'd notice that their prime witness had been reported missing. IMO. MOO. Did a look at LB's internet sessions help them conclude her allegations were groundless? Puzzling. MOO. IMHO.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2...ck_leaves_lingering_questions_for_police.html

"In March 2012, Austerweil was charged with assaulting her, theft under $5,000 (what he owed for the vet bill) and sexually assaulting her friend. Court records show all the charges were withdrawn that September — after Babcock disappeared."

 

[Carli]

So.... Whatcha want. Da fence or da sink. One man's court case is another man's bathroom reno.

http://www.moneysense.ca/property/r...e-sink-for-your-bathroom-think-petrified-wood

Tell ya what. If DM is just an eensie bit cautious about signing on the dotted line, maybe it's not so difficult to understand.

Nice sinks, though. Well, if you're into petrified stuff. Kinda partial to old fashioned china myself.

Whatevah.

IMO. MOO.

 

[Carli]

From this article dated June 2013. I doubt his situation has changed and gives some people piece of mind. If he's found guilty, I doubt much will change other then his address. Maybe they will allow him to be a chef in the kitchen. MOO.

Paradkar said he has no complaints about his client’s treatment in jail. “They have treated him with respect and maintained his security,” he said.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2013/06/13/tim_bosma_murder_trial_could_be_held_in_late_2014.html

Curious. Why would you doubt his situation has not changed after abt 23 MONTHS in solitary confinement?

Here's an idea, just to put the thing in perspective. Go into your bathroom. Lock the door. No matter what, do not come out for 23 hours. After that first period, how do you feel? Now multiply that experience by 365 days plus 335 days (abt 23 mos so far) times 23 hours. That approx 16,000 hours. Still fine with that? If this person is not guilty, how is the precious memory of TB being served?. If the person IS guilty, how is the precious memory of TB being served? IMO. IMHO. MOO.

Is someone's exquisite memory best served by vengefulness? What if the wrong person is accused? Does it matter? Or is anger and the need to avenge a wrong become so limitless that it ceases to matter who bears responsibility, only that there is someone, anyone, to exact blind fury upon. Is that what we call "justice"?

Just asking. MOO. IMHO. etc.

 

[Juballee]

I find it interesting that DP mentioned that the jail has 'maintained his security'. It almost makes you wonder who the jail is protecting DM's from? I wonder if any of his friends have any other friends in jail that are looking harm him, hence his extended stay in solitary?

 

[Tamarind]

I find it interesting that DP mentioned that the jail has 'maintained his security'. It almost makes you wonder who the jail is protecting DM's from? I wonder if any of his friends have any other friends in jail that are looking harm him, hence his extended stay in solitary?

It is one of the usual reasons to be in solitary, to be protected from those who seek to do harm. Couple of other reasons may be health issues or bad behaviour ( obviously not the case here).

I have wondered about this myself and the only thing that makes sense to me is the 'protection from harm' reason. If this is true it would be interesting to know who/what the threat is, just as you say.