Tim Bosma: Dellen Millard & Mark Smich chgd w/Murder; Christina Noudga, Accessory #3

[Deleted member 102539]

Did WM find out DM purchased on MA's account and hit the roof? What excuse did he give WM for purchasing the incinerator? Wonder who all were in charge of day to day accounting at MA and at the time the incinerator was purchased? Will they be a witness to help give evidence? What else did DM buy on MA's account that wasn't used for business purposes?

Being the CEO of MA, DM would have signing rights to write cheques. Who met the incinerator delivery person at the farmland the day it arrived? If it was MS, could have been another way of DM's to drag MS into the picture, making him appear as though he was involved in LB's murder? MOO.

:waiting: To think a year from now will be in the thick of things and getting many answers to our questions and a verdict or two...or three. IMO after the verdict, the guilty will plead guilty on the other charges sparing further trials. I will be content knowing justice has been served for Tim and his loved ones. JMO

bbm= OMG, then I will have forgotten all my questions! :scared:

 

[Kamille]

I remember this news conference very well. DM had been arrested and they were talking about the second suspect. Because DM had been arrested, the reporter asked if the public's safety was still at risk. That was when Kavanaugh said yes, look what he did the first time. Then after MS was arrested, they announced that they felt the public was no longer in danger. I'm sure there is a video of this conference and will see if I can find it when I have more time later tonight.

Okay I've found a link to that news conference.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fk1Zkrxs348

The question was...

"Is there any concern for public safety with this suspect not in custody?"

The answer was...

"Certainly there is fear of that, look what he did the first time to Mr Bosma. So yes there is a fear and we're doing everything we can to identify this person and get him under arrest."

It's interesting to note that throughout the news conference the detective is of the opinion that there is at least 3 people involved and he seems convinced that the second suspect at large was in TB's truck with DM and TB as they drove away from the home and a 3rd suspect was driving the Yukon. That theory seems to have changed. And he does not elaborate on what the second suspect "did" to Mr Bosma.

Also note this exchange in the same news conference...

Reporter question...

"Sir, what can you tell us about your ideas of who may have played a leadership role in what is now considered a conspiracy? Is it the suspect in custody, the suspect(s?) outstanding?"

Reply...

"The person in custody is an accused, he's not a suspect anymore and I don't know the answer to that question."

So at that time, there was no working theory on who may have been the "leader" of this crime. It stands to reason then that there was also no working theory on who may have been responsible for the actual death of TB, as in who actually killed him, especially if there was a weapon involved. Although I do understand cansleuther's original thought on that statement now. It was an odd statement to that question.

MOO

 

[Alethea Dice]

Perhaps that theory has changed, but we haven't been told that it has, only that LE was looking into the possibility that there was no third person. All we really know is that a third person has not been arrested yet in that role. What Kavanaugh actually said was:

“As an investigator, you always talk about tunnel vision and I think it’d be tunnel vision for me to say that I definitely believe there’s a third person or to say there wasn’t,” Staff Sergeant Matt Kavanagh said Wednesday. “It’s possible that there’s only two involved and it’s also possible that there may have been a third. And so we’re looking into that and we still have some doors to shut, some avenues of investigation.”

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/police-question-existence-of-third-suspect-in-bosma-killing/article12370401/

Kavanagh now says police are not sure whether Smich, who is said to have been in the back seat of the truck while Millard was driving, exited that vehicle after leaving Bosma’s home and got into the driver’s seat of the Yukon.
“That is possible right now, yes, but I’m not going to commit either way,” Kavanagh said.
If there is a third suspect, Kavanagh said, police do not have any leads on who it might be.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2013/06/06/tim_bosma_murder_unclear_whether_third_suspect_exists_lead_investigator_says.html

And prior to that, but after MS's arrest:

“We believe the danger has subsided,” Kinsella said, despite a third suspect still being sought, about whom police say they “encourage that individual to turn himself in.”

http://www.therecord.com/sports-story/3243537-oakville-man-is-second-suspect-arrested-in-tim-bosma-murder-case-thir/

So even when they were still actively looking for a third suspect, LE felt the danger to the public had subsided once MS was arrested.

JMO

 

[swedie]

I remember this news conference very well. DM had been arrested and they were talking about the second suspect. Because DM had been arrested, the reporter asked if the public's safety was still at risk. That was when Kavanaugh said yes, look what he did the first time. Then after MS was arrested, they announced that they felt the public was no longer in danger. I'm sure there is a video of this conference and will see if I can find it when I have more time later tonight.

Not to forget Det. Kav claimed LE did not know who the second suspect was at that time or even whether there was a third or fourth suspect. IMO he was hypothetically speaking. TB was murder and whoever was involved was consider a risk or threat to the public. JMO.

 

[swedie]

Is it possible that TB was killed before MS exited the truck and drove away in the Yukon?


From an article published early on the investigation:




And a quote referring to the second suspect:




It sounds as though, at least at that point in the investigation, LE were leaning towards the second suspect as being the actual murderer.


http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/tim-bosma-murder-leaves-police-anxious-as-hunt-for-suspects-continues


JMO

BBM - That very well could be. If DM say shot TB before they even pulled out of the laneway onto the road, MS could have been covered in blood/matter and freaked out jumping out of TB's truck. And if he didn't know TB was going to be murdered, that would be even more shocking and scary. Did DM then give MS the keys for the Yukon and tell him to follow instead of having to sitting behind a dead TB? Did MS then follow TB's truck or did he go elsewhere leaving DM to do whatever he wanted?

UBM - In the article you posted? Could you point what part that is? TIA. Is it the part I snipped below? To me that doesn't correspond with what I underlined of your above. Are you sure it's the second suspect? At that time LE didn't know how many suspects there were, maybe it was the third suspect... :giggle: JK. For me it appears LE had their murderer in custody being as he was charged with murder already.

Of course LE are going to announce the public is at risk when they have no idea who the suspects are and what they are capable of. They have to cover their hineys. All MOO.

Police have one man in custody: Dellen Millard, 27, part of an aviation dynasty and a prodigy pilot, who is charged with forcible confinement and theft over $5,000; on Wednesday, he will be charged with first-degree murder, police said.

Investigators don’t know who the suspects are and encouraged anyone with information to contact police. Until the others are arrested, he said, the public remains at risk.

 

[Arnie M]

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There were some very early reports (before much else was known) that Tim's phone was disconnected about 4km from home

The last ping was around where Trinity Rd intersects the highway to Brantford

If so , it would appear that whatever happened , happened quickly.

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[Alethea Dice]

BBM - That very well could be. If DM say shot TB before they even pulled out of the laneway onto the road, MS could have been covered in blood/matter and freaked out jumping out of TB's truck. And if he didn't know TB was going to be murdered, that would be even more shocking and scary. Did DM then give MS the keys for the Yukon and tell him to follow instead of having to sitting behind a dead TB? Did MS then follow TB's truck or did he go elsewhere leaving DM to do whatever he wanted?

That would definitely be a shocker if all that happened before they pulled out of the driveway and SB didn't hear or see a thing. What a brilliant idea to have someone covered in blood/matter to jump in another vehicle and have that blood/matter transferred to a second scene. :facepalm:

Of course LE are going to announce the public is at risk when they have no idea who the suspects are and what they are capable of. They have to cover their hineys. All MOO.

Police have one man in custody: Dellen Millard, 27, part of an aviation dynasty and a prodigy pilot, who is charged with forcible confinement and theft over $5,000; on Wednesday, he will be charged with first-degree murder, police said.

Investigators don’t know who the suspects are and encouraged anyone with information to contact police. Until the others are arrested, he said, the public remains at risk.

Except that, after MS was arrested, and still not knowing if there was a third suspect and who it might be, they said the danger was over.

“We believe the danger has subsided,” Kinsella said, despite a third suspect still being sought, about whom police say they “encourage that individual to turn himself in.”

http://www.therecord.com/sports-story/3243537-oakville-man-is-second-suspect-arrested-in-tim-bosma-murder-case-thir/

JMO

 

[Alethea Dice]

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There were some very early reports (before much else was known) that Tim's phone was disconnected about 4km from home

The last ping was around where Trinity Rd intersects the highway to Brantford

If so , it would appear that whatever happened , happened quickly.

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Do you have a link for this information? I have never seen any reports where LE announced where the phone pings were or knew what route was taken. I know it was said to have been turned off shortly after 10:00 and within a mile of his home, and that they were only able to trace the last signal to within a 50 kilometer radius.

They learned from police that Bosma’s phone was turned off within a mile of the house.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2013/05/18/tim_bosma_the_painful_search_for_a_missing_man.html

Bosma had his cellphone on him, but it was turned off shortly after his disappearance. Because of the rural area’s poor reception, police were able to track its last signal only to within 50 kilometres.

http://www.bramptonguardian.com/news-story/3233503-tim-bosma-s-wife-pleads-for-his-return-after-test-drive-disappearance/

Police say the cell phone was turned off shortly after 10:00 Monday night and hadn’t been turned back on since…

http://www.chch.com/timeline-for-bosma-case/

But yes, it does appear that it happened very quickly. They left TB's house around 9:20. The phone was turned off shortly after 10:00 within a mile (about 1.6 kilometres) of his home. The truck was seen in Brantford around 10:10. It's about a 20 minute drive to downtown Brantford. My guess would be that whatever happened happened within a mile of his home between 9:30 and 10:00, they then drove to Brantford where they dumped the phone in the industrial area and continued on into downtown Brantford. But how then did they get to downtown Brantford in 10 minutes?

JMO

 

[SnooperDuper]

^ drove downtown first, dumped phone second

Personally I don't think they dumped the phone until SB called it: I think they forgot about it

 

[Kamille]

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There were some very early reports (before much else was known) that Tim's phone was disconnected about 4km from home

The last ping was around where Trinity Rd intersects the highway to Brantford

If so , it would appear that whatever happened , happened quickly.

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Does anyone remember how often a phone that is not being used but is on pings a tower?

 

[Kamille]

Do you have a link for this information? I have never seen any reports where LE announced where the phone pings were or knew what route was taken. I know it was said to have been turned off shortly after 10:00 and within a mile of his home, and that they were only able to trace the last signal to within a 50 kilometer radius.



http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2013/05/18/tim_bosma_the_painful_search_for_a_missing_man.html



http://www.bramptonguardian.com/news-story/3233503-tim-bosma-s-wife-pleads-for-his-return-after-test-drive-disappearance/



http://www.chch.com/timeline-for-bosma-case/

But yes, it does appear that it happened very quickly. They left TB's house around 9:20. The phone was turned off shortly after 10:00 within a mile (about 1.6 kilometres) of his home. The truck was seen in Brantford around 10:10. It's about a 20 minute drive to downtown Brantford. My guess would be that whatever happened happened within a mile of his home between 9:30 and 10:00, they then drove to Brantford where they dumped the phone in the industrial area and continued on into downtown Brantford. But how then did they get to downtown Brantford in 10 minutes?

JMO

If they could only trace the ping to within a 50km radius of the tower, how did they know it was within a mile of his house?

 

[matou]

If they could only trace the ping to within a 50km radius of the tower, how did they know it was within a mile of his house?

Hey Kamille, put Tim's address in this site. See what pops up.

http://www.ertyu.org/steven_nikkel/cancellsites.html

 

[swedie]

That would definitely be a shocker if all that happened before they pulled out of the driveway and SB didn't hear or see a thing. What a brilliant idea to have someone covered in blood/matter to jump in another vehicle and have that blood/matter transferred to a second scene. :facepalm:



Except that, after MS was arrested, and still not knowing if there was a third suspect and who it might be, they said the danger was over.



http://www.therecord.com/sports-story/3243537-oakville-man-is-second-suspect-arrested-in-tim-bosma-murder-case-thir/

JMO

What would be so shocking about it? Maybe SB thought she heard something and that is why she tried to contact him via cell phone and then ended up calling LE so soon. Realistically though, if SB was inside the house (maybe with the TV or music on) and it happened at the end of the laneway, in TB's truck, I tend to believe she wouldn't have heard anything going on. JMO.

A brilliant idea eh? Seems DM had a lot of brilliant ideas while committing three murders. Fortunately his brilliant ideas while committing the last murder got him caught. Do you honestly think that if the scenario I mentioned actually happened, if MS was freaking out, DM wouldn't give him the keys to the Yukon just to have MS cooperate? You really think he would care if MS transferred evidence? DM would have cleaned up that evidence.

I suspect by that time, MS's arrest, LE pretty much figured no one else was involved. Did MS cooperate after his arrest?

 

[Juballee]

Wasn't it at the press conference to announce MS's arrest that LE stated that they believed that the danger to the public was caught? They didn't say that they weren't looking for a third suspect any longer, just that they believed the public was no longer in danger once MS was in custody.

And his black eye gave me the feeling he wasn't that cooperative, but that's just my opinion.

 

[swedie]

O/T but felt the need to share.
Justice has been served. Rot in hell Kyle and Daniel. JMHO.
RIP Mr. Lawrence.

Two Nova Scotia men have been sentenced to life in prison for murder after they set a man on fire as he slept inside a bus shelter.

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/crime/men-sentenced-to-life-in-bus-shelter-murder/ar-BBiLucC

 

[swedie]

I also miss our journalist who use to share with us. I guess we can go back over some of her articles and bring things forward for further discussion. COME BACK ABro! :tears:

A lot of the time, he seems calm and resigned to his situation, but on other occasions, he flares up in anger. He writes about prison life and, often — maybe, too often — about death. He also discusses topics like fashion, his battles to stay trim, and what he’s reading in jail. He can come across as a major narcissist and shockingly naive about the trouble he’s in. Yet on other occasions, he seems like an empathetic friend.

http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/category/this-weeks-agenda

 

[swedie]

Wasn't it at the press conference to announce MS's arrest that LE stated that they believed that the danger to the public was caught? They didn't say that they weren't looking for a third suspect any longer, just that they believed the public was no longer in danger once MS was in custody.

And his black eye gave me the feeling he wasn't that cooperative, but that's just my opinion.

BBM - He was in attendance at his sister's wedding the Saturday before his arrest. Although he doesn't have a black eye in that one picture floating around the www, perhaps he received it that night. Weddings are a time of celebrating and some people are known to really enjoy themselves, indulging in too much alcoholic. Maybe he was in a scuffle at the wedding or so inebriated he fell and ended up with a black eye.

Did he get into an argument with his girlfriend? Maybe his mother roughed him up for one reason or another? Drug deal gone wrong? Maybe he was out doing graffiti with his buddy and he threw a paint can and it hit MS in the eye? I can think of hundreds of reason how someone could end up with a black eye, sheesh. We need to think outside the box. JMO.

 

[Juballee]

BBM - He was in attendance at his sister's wedding the Saturday before his arrest. Although he doesn't have a black eye in that one picture floating around the www, perhaps he received it that night. Weddings are a time of celebrating and some people are known to really enjoy themselves, indulging in too much alcoholic. Maybe he was in a scuffle at the wedding or so inebriated he fell and ended up with a black eye.

Did he get into an argument with his girlfriend? Maybe his mother roughed him up for one reason or another? Drug deal gone wrong? Maybe he was out doing graffiti with his buddy and he threw a paint can and it hit MS in the eye? I can think of hundreds of reason how someone could end up with a black eye, sheesh. We need to think outside the box. JMO.

Weddings that end in fist fights, physically abusive girlfriends and mothers, bad drug deals and partners in crime violently assaulting him; yes, all those things make MS's life sound way better than if he had gotten that black eye from his swat team-takedown arrest for murder, now that's thinking outside the box! JMO

 

[swedie]

Weddings that end in fist fights, physically abusive girlfriends and mothers, bad drug deals and partners in crime violently assaulting him; yes, all those things make MS's life sound way better than if he had gotten that black eye from his swat team-takedown arrest for murder, now that's thinking outside the box! JMO

You just may be right about the swat team take down. I have thought inside that box and then stepped out to consider other possibilities for his black eyes. Did you know numerous suspects have been taken down and received black eyes and worse? Look what's going on in Baltimore right now over a police take down with Freddie. It happens. MOO.

I don't know, I guess if MS's life was that chaotic, I could see why he thought his rich friend was the cat's azz and would do anything for him, including involving himself in a murder....twice. MOO.

 

[swedie]

Wasn't it at the press conference to announce MS's arrest that LE stated that they believed that the danger to the public was caught? They didn't say that they weren't looking for a third suspect any longer, just that they believed the public was no longer in danger once MS was in custody.

And his black eye gave me the feeling he wasn't that cooperative, but that's just my opinion.

Would you have expected LE to announce that statement after DM's arrest when LE knew there was still one other person on the lam, who was seen on surveillance?

Yes I believe it went something like that but they were not only referring to MS, DM was already behind bars so he was no longer a threat/danger to the public either. I assume by the time of MS's arrest, two weeks of investigating, LE felt pretty confident there were only two suspects involved. MOO.