Tim Miller: Possible Lawsuit against Casey

[LambChop]

I guess I'm not getting my point across very well.

Tim: I feel I should be reimbursed the money I chose to spend searching for a dead child.

Court: Why do you feel that way?

Tim: Because Casey didn't tell me she was dead.

Court: But you were searching for a dead body, right?

Like I said, I want Tim to win but I think he's going to have to change his strategy in order for that to happen. Tim wasn't looking for a living child, he assumed Caylee was dead. He wouldn't have searched any differently if Casey had informed him of the death.

But that being proposed is a simple answer to a simple question. The problem here is this was not a missing child case. The mother knew full well the child was not missing yet looked TM in the eye and told him Caylee was alive. Most people do not lie to you when they want you to look for their missing loved one. They cooperate and answer your questions to the best of their ability. Tim was looking for a missing child...alive or dead. Caylee was NEVER missing as Casey reported to LE. KC knew Caylee was already dead.

KC essentially asked Tim to search under false pretenses. Tim's search was based on a lie because the very person who asked him to search for her daughter knew exactly where she was. It's because she lied that it was unnecessary for Tim to search.

EXP: If I were to call LE and say my car was stolen and I had actually parked it in my garage, filed a report with the insurance company to get paid for the vehicle that was stolen and then was caught....I'd be arrested. One for filing a false police report and two the insurance company would want to bring charges against me for fraud. jmo

 

[lowens1975]

But that being proposed is a simple answer to a simple question. The problem here is this was not a missing child case. The mother knew full well the child was not missing yet looked TM in the eye and told him Caylee was alive. Most people do not lie to you when they want you to look for their missing loved one. They cooperate and answer your questions to the best of their ability. Tim was looking for a missing child...alive or dead. Caylee was NEVER missing as Casey reported to LE. KC knew Caylee was already dead.

KC essentially asked Tim to search under false pretenses. Tim's search was based on a lie because the very person who asked him to search for her daughter knew exactly where she was. It's because she lied that it was unnecessary for Tim to search.

EXP: If I were to call LE and say my car was stolen and I had actually parked it in my garage, filed a report with the insurance company to get paid for the vehicle that was stolen and then was caught....I'd be arrested. One for filing a false police report and two the insurance company would want to bring charges against me for fraud. jmo

BBM - I agree, she totally mislead him and let TES conduct a two week search knowing that Caylee was dead. She was home at the time the search was done, Tim M. was at the A's house looking for direction on where to search and she didn't say a word. JB facilitated those lies by telling TM he could search, but he couldn't ask FCA to help. Between the two of them, they totally duped TM into expending his time and resources. That's theft by deception.

 

[MissJames]

I guess I'm not getting my point across very well.

Tim: I feel I should be reimbursed the money I chose to spend searching for a dead child.

Court: Why do you feel that way?

Tim: Because Casey didn't tell me she was dead.

Court: But you were searching for a dead body, right?

Like I said, I want Tim to win but I think he's going to have to change his strategy in order for that to happen. Tim wasn't looking for a living child, he assumed Caylee was dead. He wouldn't have searched any differently if Casey had informed him of the death.

Casey did say Caylee was alive ,but she also said she had not seen Caylee since June 9(16) because she had been abducted. Statistically children who have been abducted are found dead,unless it was a parental abduction,so TM was still basing his search on Casey's statement ,even though he was looking for a body and not a live Caylee. JMO

 

[dsntslp]

Hypothetical here:

Let's just say you own a Non-Profit SAR.
One of your major sponsors gives you $100,000.
You spend more than that looking for just one child whose mother knew exactly where she was.

Do you think you owe it to your sponsor(s) to try and recoup that money as so many other legitimately missing persons can/could be helped?

If you did not pursue legal action in an attempt to recoup those losses do you think that particular sponsor(s) would be so quick to donate again?

If you were the sponsor/donor of 100,000 to the Non-profit would you give to that same organization again? As much as before? Less? Not at all?

Do you think other major or lesser sponsors and donors would contribute/donate if they thought the organization wasted money or was defrauded and did not pursue legal action to remedy the situation and recoup their losses?

Just questions. Just hypothetical. Just some of the points to ponder. The first things that spring to mind.

My own opinion only and every disclaimer that can attach. I do not speak for TES.

 

[Chilly Willy]

But that being proposed is a simple answer to a simple question. The problem here is this was not a missing child case. The mother knew full well the child was not missing yet looked TM in the eye and told him Caylee was alive. Most people do not lie to you when they want you to look for their missing loved one. They cooperate and answer your questions to the best of their ability. Tim was looking for a missing child...alive or dead. Caylee was NEVER missing as Casey reported to LE. KC knew Caylee was already dead.

KC essentially asked Tim to search under false pretenses. Tim's search was based on a lie because the very person who asked him to search for her daughter knew exactly where she was. It's because she lied that it was unnecessary for Tim to search.

EXP: If I were to call LE and say my car was stolen and I had actually parked it in my garage, filed a report with the insurance company to get paid for the vehicle that was stolen and then was caught....I'd be arrested. One for filing a false police report and two the insurance company would want to bring charges against me for fraud. jmo

BBM - IMO, that (bold) works against Tim's case, not for it. You say Tim's search was based on a lie, which it was, of course, but if the lie was that Caylee was alive and Tim instead chose to search for a dead child, it shows that he didn't believe Casey and that it was HIS choice to search the way he did. Casey didn't ask him to search for a dead child.

Using your example of reporting a false car theft: Casey DID get charged and convicted of lying to the police. As for fraud with the insurance company, that supports what I'm saying - Tim's complaint should be that Casey knew the entire time where Caylee was (car in the garage) and allowed him to waste valuable time and resources looking for her anyway. That makes sense. The "I looked for a dead body even though Casey didn't tell me she was dead" claim does not.

 

[Chilly Willy]

Hypothetical here:

Let's just say you own a Non-Profit SAR.
One of your major sponsors gives you $100,000.
You spend more than that looking for just one child whose mother knew exactly where she was.

Do you think you owe it to your sponsor(s) to try and recoup that money as so many other legitimately missing persons can/could be helped?

If you did not pursue legal action in an attempt to recoup those losses do you think that particular sponsor(s) would be so quick to donate again?

If you were the sponsor/donor of 100,000 to the Non-profit would you give to that same organization again? As much as before? Less? Not at all?

Do you think other major or lesser sponsors and donors would contribute/donate if they thought the organization wasted money or was defrauded and did not pursue legal action to remedy the situation and recoup their losses?

Just questions. Just hypothetical. Just some of the points to ponder. The first things that spring to mind.

My own opinion only and every disclaimer that can attach. I do not speak for TES.

I am not saying Tim should not press this lawsuit against Casey, I'm only saying, IMO, he's going about it wrong. I totally agree (and it's what I've been saying all along) - Casey knew where the body was but allowed Tim to spend all that time and money searching. That should be the basis of his lawsuit, not that he searched for a dead Caylee who WAS actually dead, he just didn't find her.

 

[dsntslp]

Apologies Chill Willy,

I should have prefaced my post with "This post lands at random".

 

[annalia]

I am not saying Tim should not press this lawsuit against Casey, I'm only saying, IMO, he's going about it wrong. I totally agree (and it's what I've been saying all along) - Casey knew where the body was but allowed Tim to spend all that time and money searching. That should be the basis of his lawsuit, not that he searched for a dead Caylee who WAS actually dead, he just didn't find her.

I'm confused, does Tim's lawsuit specifically state it was due to TES searching for a dead Caylee vs searching for an alive Caylee?

I thought it was due to JB stating that Caylee was never really missing at all, not whether it was over TES thinking she was alive or dead during the searches.

 

[EPfan]

I'm confused, does Tim's lawsuit specifically state it was due to TES searching for a dead Caylee vs searching for an alive Caylee?

I thought it was due to JB stating that Caylee was never really missing at all, not whether it was over TES thinking she was alive or dead during the searches.

KC according to JB's opening statements is that she knew Caylee drown. The theory was she didn't know where the body was. I believe that is what was said(claimed), GA disposed of the body. Since KC was found, Not Guilty of any kind of murder, or any crime that associated her with being the one that put the body on Suburban drive, the only thing that Tim could sue for would be knowing Caylee was already dead.
Nothing in court was proven she knew, and still to this day nobody knows for sure what happened.

 

[pinkfly]

FCA has had so many victims in her path of destruction. I have always felt bad for Tim. I think this case took far more than money from him. He was treated very badly by CA and I think Tim took all things very personally. I feel bad and hope that he can recoup both money and respect but I am not expecting it.

 

[annalia]

KC according to JB's opening statements is that she knew Caylee drown. The theory was she didn't know where the body was. I believe that is what was said(claimed), GA disposed of the body. Since KC was found, Not Guilty of any kind of murder, or any crime that associated her with being the one that put the body on Suburban drive, the only thing that Tim could sue for would be knowing Caylee was already dead.
Nothing in court was proven she knew, and still to this day nobody knows for sure what happened.

It was the defense story that she he knew all along that Caylee was never really missing, therefore Casey knew she was never missing. Yet Caylee's mother let people go on wild goose chases, spending valuable time and resources searching for her daughter that she knew was never missing.

JB's OS was a fairy tale. There was not one shred of evidence presented that showed GA's involvement, so to me it was all garbage thrwon out by the DT to scapegoat George in order to save Caseys hide. The defense comes out and says that Casey knew all along, they just threw out an unsubstantiated claim that Caylee drowned and an unfounded accusation that it was GA who disposed of caylee.

That's not the basis for the suit tho, the basis for the suit is that they spent their time and resources searching for a child whose mother knew was never missing.
JMHO

 

[EPfan]

It was the defense story that she he knew all along that Caylee was never really missing, therefore Casey knew she was never missing. Yet Caylee's mother let people go on wild goose chases, spending valuable time and resources searching for her daughter that she knew was never missing.

JB's OS was a fairy tale. There was not one shred of evidence presented that showed GA's involvement, so to me it was all garbage thrwon out by the DT to scapegoat George in order to save Caseys hide. The defense comes out and says that Casey knew all along, they just threw out an unsubstantiated claim that Caylee drowned and an unfounded accusation that it was GA who disposed of caylee.

That's not the basis for the suit tho, the basis for the suit is that they spent their time and resources searching for a child whose mother knew was never missing.
JMHO

The conversation that I am responding to was why Tim was suing KC for the money that he used to search for Caylee when KC knew her daughter was already dead. Some were talking about KC knowing where the remains were. It was never proven she knew where the remains were and that she was the one that put Caylee there. This was by the verdict of Not Guilty. So I was referring to why TM was suing the way he is. He is suing on the statement that KC knew Caylee was already dead, when everyone was searching for an alive Caylee.

 

[Chilly Willy]

The conversation that I am responding to was why Tim was suing KC for the money that he used to search for Caylee when KC knew her daughter was already dead. Some were talking about KC knowing where the remains were. It was never proven she knew where the remains were and that she was the one that put Caylee there. This was by the verdict of Not Guilty. So I was referring to why TM was suing the way he is. He is suing on the statement that KC knew Caylee was already dead, when everyone was searching for an alive Caylee.

If it was never proven that Casey knew where the remains were, when (or how) was it proven that Casey knew Caylee was dead? Baez's opening statement is not evidence or proof.

Besides the Anthonys, who was searching for an alive Caylee? Tim certainly wasn't.

 

[com n sense]

The conversation that I am responding to was why Tim was suing KC for the money that he used to search for Caylee when KC knew her daughter was already dead. Some were talking about KC knowing where the remains were. It was never proven she knew where the remains were and that she was the one that put Caylee there. This was by the verdict of Not Guilty. So I was referring to why TM was suing the way he is. He is suing on the statement that KC knew Caylee was already dead, when everyone was searching for an alive Caylee.

JB said in OS Caylee was never missing & he also stated Caylee died June 16th when she drowned in the family pool. So yes, KC knew she was dead.

Her reaction when the remains were found compared to when the bones were found in the river, that the jury never did see, is proof enough she knew whhere the body was IMO.

 

[Baznme]

The conversation that I am responding to was why Tim was suing KC for the money that he used to search for Caylee when KC knew her daughter was already dead. Some were talking about KC knowing where the remains were. It was never proven she knew where the remains were and that she was the one that put Caylee there. This was by the verdict of Not Guilty. So I was referring to why TM was suing the way he is. He is suing on the statement that KC knew Caylee was already dead, when everyone was searching for an alive Caylee.

That doesn't matter......if it was not proven she knew where the remains were and that she was the one that put Caylee there......(sigh). She encouraged them to look for "Caylee" knowing it was for naught and that her alibi would be SODDI (only she hadn't made up her mind at that point if it was going to be "nanny" or "daddy" as the SODDI and all for the ultimate purpose of covering her own a$$. She may have hornswoggled the jury with the GA disposal but the fact remains that with JB's opening statements it was an admission that she knew before Tim ever got there that Caylee was dead. So, if you use an organization like this based on a lie, you have no conscience, therefore there should be consequences for the money and resources that were provided under false pretenses, (well, what do you know, another lie?). This being 40% of the organization's annual budget should push it over in the realm of "fraud". It falls in the same category as her theft from AmyH.....but this is on a much larger scale. She should be made to make restitution.

 

[Baznme]

If it was never proven that Casey knew where the remains were, when (or how) was it proven that Casey knew Caylee was dead? Baez's opening statement is not evidence or proof.

Besides the Anthonys, who was searching for an alive Caylee? Tim certainly wasn't.

Justifiably so and now you know why. To be doing both would have bankrupted TES!

She was already dead by admission that she drowned on 6/16/08.

He read KC like a book. I think maybe almost a thousand cases under his belt might have something to do with his insight.

 

[LambChop]

JB said in OS Caylee was never missing & he also stated Caylee died June 16th when she drowned in the family pool. So yes, KC knew she was dead.

Her reaction when the remains were found compared to when the bones were found in the river, that the jury never did see, is proof enough she knew whhere the body was IMO.

In his opening statement JB established that two people knew Caylee was dead on June 16th. One was KC and the other was GA. GA testified that JB saying he found Caylee in the pool was false. It never happened. KC never testified that her father was lying. That leaves only one person in front of that jury that knew Caylee was dead on June 16th. This is where TM has her. JB admits the child was dead all along and was never able to establish anyone other than KC knew about it. jmo

 

[dani]

Tim Miller will be suing Casey in Civil Court, just as Fred Goldman successfully sued O.J.. It's a different playing field with lesser standards. It will be tough to find a jury that hasn't heard of this case and hasn't formed an opinion. (Heck, if I lived in Orange County, FL I'd lobby to be on the jury myself.) I expect the jury will want to show the "Pinellas County 12" how it's really done. I also expect Tim Miller to prevail.

I hope Tim can just "consider the source" as far as the abuse he had to endure from Cindy Anthony. She's an equal opportunity hater. (She spews her hate on everyone.) Just ask her neighborhood. She has to tie a bone around her neck to get her dogs to play with her!

There's a special place in heaven for men like Tim. :angel:

 

[MissJames]

The OS might not legally be evidence to the criminal jurors,but JB stated it as fact and never clarified publicly that it was his theory.

So I guess Tim's lawyer can depose Casey and find out just what she has to say. JB's the one that put it out there ,with no qualifiers attached. "Caylee was never missing." It's in the court records.

 

[suzihawk]

Tim Miller will be suing Casey in Civil Court, just as Fred Goldman successfully sued O.J.. It's a different playing field with lesser standards. It will be tough to find a jury that hasn't heard of this case and hasn't formed an opinion. (Heck, if I lived in Orange County, FL I'd lobby to be on the jury myself.) I expect the jury will want to show the "Pinellas County 12" how it's really done. I also expect Tim Miller to prevail.

I hope Tim can just "consider the source" as far as the abuse he had to endure from Cindy Anthony. She's an equal opportunity hater. (She spews her hate on everyone.) Just ask her neighborhood. She has to tie a bone around her neck to get her dogs to play with her!

There's a special place in heaven for men like Tim. :angel:

This ^ and THIS ^!! The thanks button wasn't enough.

And as there is, indeed, a special place in heaven for men like Tim Miller there is also a special place in Hell for the killer of Caylee Marie and ALL that aided, abetted, lied and covered for her.

MOO