Tim Miller: Possible Lawsuit against Casey

[bayouland]

Hmmm. Not a good piece of evidence for TES.

Is this joint stipulation any good for anything?

http://www.ninthcircuit.org/news/Hi...cuments in Possession of Texas Equusearch.pdf

 

[Intermezzo]

I hope there is something in the jail tapes, but the last one was (IIRC) August 14, 2008, so maybe not.

She won't be charged with perjury for this. I promise you. Let's forget about perjury and try to find some evidence for TES. (HI TIM) :seeya:

I hope we can find something
I am looking at the timeline to jog my memory of what was going on, some interviews, articles etc.....

First TES Search
August 21...OCA was released on bond by Padilla

Thurs August 28...Tim Miller arrives in Orlando
http://www.wesh.com/video/17330657/detail.html
this news video shows Tim, a woman (TES worker??)and a large white SUV in the A's driveway during the evening.

Fri August 29...OCA was re-arrested
Sat August 30...Search begins

Fri Sept 5........OCA 2nd release from jail

Sept 7.......TES temporarily calls off search
Sept 15.....OCA re-arrested

Baez had FULL knowledge of the TES ...are we to believe Baez NEVER spoke to OCA about ALL the motions (and there are plenty) he filed regarding TES and the searches they did?

If OCA is going to hide behind the "i was not aware of the searches" is she indirectly accusing Baez of failing to inform her of the actions he was taking on her behalf when he filed motions? and when he, acting as Casey's representative, went to meet and speak with Tim Miller before the Sept search began?

 

[Gnatcatcher]

Forgive me for skimming over today's posts, have SO much going on and I am inspired by a bunch of the latest comments to just throw out a few thoughts quickly.

Cindy did throw Tim out of the house, that was after the X on the map incident. Leonard told that story a hundred times. Also, wasn't there discussion of that when George was thrown out of the house and he hooked up with Tim at a local hotel? Does that spark a memory with anyone?

Tim said on Nancy Grace that he suspended the search IN THAT SPOT .. AT THAT TIME... because of flooding. I remember this because it was the first interview I saw on NG that brought me into the case in the first place. This was long before she was found, he talked about horses and ATVs.

Unfortunately, I don't recall hearing or reading or discussing or thinking ANYTHING about approval of fliers before Tim's latest comments in the press this week.

I'm willing to listen to all the jailtapes again. Right after I make spaghetti and catch up on American Idol.

 

[okiedokietoo]

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1107/06/ijvm.01.html
Aired July 6, 2011 - 19:00:00 ET
just interesting ...

MILLER: We are an organization that searches for missing people. We got called by Cindy Anthony. We did not go over there on our own. We did not call anybody and say, "Do you need our help?" They called, asked us for our help. We went there with nothing in our minds, no motives. It was to do the best we could possibly do to find this little missing girl, that, again, in Jose Baez`s opening statements was never missing. So I was used...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right.

MILLER: Go -- go ahead, I`m sorry.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: No, you say you were used. Finish your sentence and then we`re going to go on to other lawsuits. Finish your sentence.

MILLER: Yes. I was used. We were lied to in the very beginning in the Anthony house. When -- when that juror said extremely dysfunctional family, I know firsthand after spending four days in there. And -- and here we are to help. They call us to help. I`m in the back yard. One of our members is in the house. And George Anthony walks in there and says, "Who`s this clown I`ve got to meet from Texas." I`m telling you we`re not circus clowns. We were there for one reason. This is how it all started. And so anyhow, for us it`s collecting on the money...

bbm

 

[AZlawyer]

Is this joint stipulation any good for anything?

http://www.ninthcircuit.org/news/Hi...cuments in Possession of Texas Equusearch.pdf

Yes. Like the other document someone (was it you?) found a few pages back, it shows she knew (at least by 2010) that TES was searching in 2008. But I think it will be very easy to prove that she knew of the searches in 2008. The hard part will be proving that she asked for or encouraged the searches.

ETA: My point being that just proving that she lied in the response to the question doesn't get you very far. Besides, she is likely to give some asinine "explanation" for the lie, e.g., that she couldn't know that TES was actually SEARCHING as opposed to FAKING a search for publicity.

 

[okiedokietoo]

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1003/23/ng.01.html
Aired March 23, 2010 - 20:00:00 ET

BELICH: He said he had never had a family act like this before. He said that defense attorney Jose Baez introduced himself, thanked him for helping, but said he couldn`t talk to Casey. And Miller was confused about that because Casey was the last person to see Caylee alive, and that`s usually who they would talk to.

I do not believe that Jose knew but she didn't know

 

[cecybeans]

Hmmm. Not a good piece of evidence for TES.

Maybe it's just me, but I don't understand why it would necessarily be bad for TES. If FCA did not want to publicly admit her daughter was dead in 2008 (and she has since publicly admitted she knew she was all along), then she is essentially saying she was willing to go along with the charade that Caylee was alive at the time even though she knew otherwise. That she was willing to allow an organization, LE agencies, or even individual searchers to look for a baby she insisted was "kidnapped" even though she admitted at trial she knew Caylee was already dead the entire time.

There is only one reason for this; because she was trying to avoid prosecution for Murder One. It certainly wasn't to protect the person she accused at her trial; if she had accused GA of all that stuff right then she would not have had to spend three years in jail eating cheese puffs, lounging around writing letters and feeling famous. (Oh wait, I just answered the reason for that). So it appears as if at the time this occurred, she knew she was the only person who could reasonably say Caylee was dead, which would also imply she hadn't thought of throwing GA under the bus yet at all; another indication her story was fabricated well after the fact, long after she was re-incarcerated and indicted for murder.

If what she claimed at her trial was even remotely true, then why did she wait until the eleventh hour to spin that story, especially if it could have cast doubt on her guilt from the get-go? The fact she delayed revealing anything until the actual trial (which in itself was years after her indictment) and allowing LE and others to launch expensive investigations, and force the taxpayers to not only house her but pay for her indigence once her money ran out, when she claimed in court something totally different happened seems on the face of it to me yet another lie to the state.

I also have a feeling that JB was behind the whole TES thing to begin with as his initial strategy seemed to be building a high-profile case. CA seemed pleased and shocked that Caylee was on the cover of People magazine and that there was a $250K reward being offered. The fact that CA and GA needed LA's help in even setting up a website always made me think they were complete amateurs when it came to marketing. JB showed from the beginning with his relationship with "Todd Black" that he was all about garnering national interest and promoting himself through his client.

I think JB planted the idea in CA's head that it would be good for publicity and she was too naive to think far enough ahead to realize that TES was all about recovery and not rescue or she would never have made the call. The very shortsighted JB, regardless of his plausible deniability ruse in using CA to initiate matters, still had to insert himself in the mix to make sure his loquacious little client didn't blather something incriminating when she got out on bail and TES showed up ready to find poor Caylee's body.

While all parents of missing children want to believe their child is alive, I've never seen anyone refuse others the opportunity to search for a body, unless they were absolutely certain that's what would be found and it would impact them legally.

 

[bayouland]

Yes. Like the other document someone (was it you?) found a few pages back, it shows she knew (at least by 2010) that TES was searching in 2008. But I think it will be very easy to prove that she knew of the searches in 2008. The hard part will be proving that she asked for or encouraged the searches.

ETA: My point being that just proving that she lied in the response to the question doesn't get you very far. Besides, she is likely to give some asinine "explanation" for the lie, e.g., that she couldn't know that TES was actually SEARCHING as opposed to FAKING a search for publicity.

Gotcha, looking and listening to jail tapes.

 

[okiedokietoo]

Yes. Like the other document someone (was it you?) found a few pages back, it shows she knew (at least by 2010) that TES was searching in 2008. But I think it will be very easy to prove that she knew of the searches in 2008. The hard part will be proving that she asked for or encouraged the searches.

ETA: My point being that just proving that she lied in the response to the question doesn't get you very far. Besides, she is likely to give some asinine "explanation" for the lie, e.g., that she couldn't know that TES was actually SEARCHING as opposed to FAKING a search for publicity.

but isn't the point, that she knew and didn't stop the searches and TES spent the money? If, in fact, Baez did meet with Tim Miller (which means he knew who he was and what he was doing there) and thank him etc and told him he couldn't talk with her - that Baez was speaking for her as her legal representative - so it's the same as talking to her?

 

[Intermezzo]

Yes. Like the other document someone (was it you?) found a few pages back, it shows she knew (at least by 2010) that TES was searching in 2008. But I think it will be very easy to prove that she knew of the searches in 2008. The hard part will be proving that she asked for or encouraged the searches.

ETA: My point being that just proving that she lied in the response to the question doesn't get you very far. Besides, she is likely to give some asinine "explanation" for the lie, e.g., that she couldn't know that TES was actually SEARCHING as opposed to FAKING a search for publicity.

bbm
Would the link to that be Baez? unfortunately,
Baez spoke with Tim, he knew Tim and TES were in Orlando to search for Caylee...are we to believe Baez NEVER informed his client of the events?

 

[AZlawyer]

Originally Posted by okiedokietoo
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../07/ng.01.html
Aired October 7, 2008 - 20:00:00


Quote:
Jose Baez would not comment, however, his spokesman tells us that Casey is not interested in helping Texas Equusearch because that would be equivalent to admitting that her daughter is dead.

This was one of those video/audio clips on the show but don't know who the reporter was....
bbm

Hmmm. Not a good piece of evidence for TES.

Maybe it's just me, but I don't understand why it would necessarily be bad for TES. If FCA did not want to publicly admit her daughter was dead in 2008 (and she has since publicly admitted she knew she was all along), then she is essentially saying she was willing to go along with the charade that Caylee was alive at the time even though she knew otherwise. That she was willing to allow an organization, LE agencies, or even individual searchers to look for a baby she insisted was "kidnapped" even though she admitted at trial she knew Caylee was already dead the entire time.

There is only one reason for this; because she was trying to avoid prosecution for Murder One. It certainly wasn't to protect the person she accused at her trial; if she had accused GA of all that stuff right then she would not have had to spend three years in jail eating cheese puffs, lounging around writing letters and feeling famous. (Oh wait, I just answered the reason for that). So it appears as if at the time this occurred, she knew she was the only person who could reasonably say Caylee was dead, which would also imply she hadn't thought of throwing GA under the bus yet at all; another indication her story was fabricated well after the fact, long after she was re-incarcerated and indicted for murder.

If what she claimed at her trial was even remotely true, then why did she wait until the eleventh hour to spin that story, especially if it could have cast doubt on her guilt from the get-go? The fact she delayed revealing anything until the actual trial (which in itself was years after her indictment) and allowing LE and others to launch expensive investigations, and force the taxpayers to not only house her but pay for her indigence once her money ran out, when she claimed in court something totally different happened seems on the face of it to me yet another lie to the state.

I also have a feeling that JB was behind the whole TES thing to begin with as his initial strategy seemed to be building a high-profile case. CA seemed pleased and shocked that Caylee was on the cover of People magazine and that there was a $250K reward being offered. The fact that CA and GA needed LA's help in even setting up a website always made me think they were complete amateurs when it came to marketing. JB showed from the beginning with his relationship with "Todd Black" that he was all about garnering national interest and promoting himself through his client.

I think JB planted the idea in CA's head that it would be good for publicity and she was too naive to think far enough ahead to realize that TES was all about recovery and not rescue or she would never have made the call. The very shortsighted JB, regardless of his plausible deniability ruse in using CA to initiate matters, still had to insert himself in the mix to make sure his loquacious little client didn't blather something incriminating when she got out on bail and TES showed up ready to find poor Caylee's body.

While all parents of missing children want to believe their child is alive, I've never seen anyone refuse others the opportunity to search for a body, unless they were absolutely certain that's what would be found and it would impact them legally.

It is a bad piece of evidence for TES because it shows that Casey didn't want TES to search. Her pretend reason was that "Caylee was alive"; her real reason was that Caylee was dead and TES might find the evidence. But it doesn't matter what the reason was.

but isn't the point, that she knew and didn't stop the searches and TES spent the money? If, in fact, Baez did meet with Tim Miller (which means he knew who he was and what he was doing there) and thank him etc and told him he couldn't talk with her - that Baez was speaking for her as her legal representative - so it's the same as talking to her?

No, there is no legal obligation to stop people from spending money to "help" you. IMO there is no legal claim unless, at the very least, Casey asked for or encouraged the search in some way.

ETA: But you're correct that TES can use Baez's statement "we appreciate you being out here" or whatever it was as evidence that Casey encouraged the search. But when he ALSO says "Casey won't help TES search because they're looking for a dead baby," the messages sort of cancel out.

 

[Ricki]

audio interview with Tim Miller and Osco
http://youtu.be/Vr3HNo6OGGw
Starting about the 14 minute mark starts to talk about Tim conversations with the A's

 

[LinTX]

It is a bad piece of evidence for TES because it shows that Casey didn't want TES to search. Her pretend reason was that "Caylee was alive"; her real reason was that Caylee was dead and TES might find the evidence. But it doesn't matter what the reason was.



No, there is no legal obligation to stop people from spending money to "help" you. IMO there is no legal claim unless, at the very least, Casey asked for or encouraged the search in some way.

ETA: But you're correct that TES can use Baez's statement "we appreciate you being out here" or whatever it was as evidence that Casey encouraged the search. But when he ALSO says "Casey won't help TES search because they're looking for a dead baby," the messages sort of cancel out.

But the question was whether or not she knew they were searching, and she said no. The above quote of Baez was from Oct., and she knew they were searching enough to say she didn't want to help them, etc. (proving her lie to the question.) The point of the lawsuit is that she continued to insist Caylee was kidnapped before the body was found and specifically during the time Equisearch was out there. At trial she says she knew she was dead all along and hinted @ who disposed of the body.... IOW, she could have stopped it, but chose not to by insisting Caylee was kidnapped.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

This is an interesting NG episode (9/02/08) with Tim and Cindy. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/02/ng.01.html

Tim complains of getting no cooperation:

"MILLER: Well, I am saying, if Casey got us out here and she gave that child to somebody she trusted and will not give up the name and phone number, and wasting our resources for somebody that really needs us..."

And Cindy indicates that Casey isn't allowed (by Baez) to cooperate:

"ANTHONY: Casey was under full instruction not to speak to outside, you know, people, even including the family, so that we weren`t put in any jeopardy of, you know, obstructing justice if she told us something.

So she`s not going to cooperate with anybody other than her attorneys and maybe anybody he appoints on his staff that has confidentiality. So that`s going to kind of clear that up a little bit."

This seems to indicate that Casey did have knowledge, at the time of the searches, that they were being done but not allowed to talk with Tim Miller. Does this help?

 

[momtective]

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0810/07/ng.01.html
Aired October 7, 2008 - 20:00:00

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: As early as this weekend, the head of Texas Equusearch tells us, he`d like to resume his group`s recovery efforts in and around Orlando. And Tim Miller says he would love to have Casey`s help.

Jose Baez would not comment, however, his spokesman tells us that Casey is not interested in helping Texas Equusearch because that would be equivalent to admitting that her daughter is dead.

The only searches she wants to participate in, according to the spokesman, are live sightings of Caylee. The efforts to bring the child home alive.

This was one of those video/audio clips on the show but don't know who the reporter was....
bbm

BBM She wanted to participate in searches (for a child she knew was dead). She knew Tim was there, she knew he was searching for Caylee and she knew only searches for a "dead Caylee" would yield results, that's why she only wanted to participate in searches for a "live Caylee."
The very fact that she wanted to participate in searches, albeit searches for a child she knew was dead, indicates she knew Tim was there to search for Caylee.

 

[angeldust]

I'm holding out that it won't be a problem because the question is not did she talk to him, or did she hire him. The question is, did she know he was searching? for Caylee.

and if she said she wasnt speaking to him because hes not looking for a live caylee and that she would have to admit she was dead if she did that it does proof she was aware they were searching so she still lied.

also by that time wouldnt you think if your child truely was abducted you would want them found regardless ?

oops just saw above sorry x

 

[cecybeans]

I guess another reason she only wanted to participate in searches for a "live" Caylee, which would be based on "sightings", is that they tended to come in from places fun to visit like Puerto Rico and California and Texas.

She probably thought she'd put all that pretend event planner experience to work organizing "Let's Look for Caylee" cruises or something.

It's so funny that someone who initially pretended to be protecting her daughter and her family from an evil "kidnapper" by not reporting her missing, suddenly cast that logic aside and jumped on the search bandwagon, particularly since doing so involved her release from jail. My eyes have never rolled so much in my life as they have the last three years seeing all this hogwash.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

audio interview with Tim Miller and Osco
http://youtu.be/Vr3HNo6OGGw
Starting about the 14 minute mark starts to talk about Tim conversations with the A's

Even then Baez was in protection mode. He actually thanked Tim and then told him not to talk to FCA about the case?? He is beneath contempt...JB KNEW the entire time.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

This is an interesting NG episode (9/02/08) with Tim and Cindy. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/02/ng.01.html

Tim complains of getting no cooperation:

"MILLER: Well, I am saying, if Casey got us out here and she gave that child to somebody she trusted and will not give up the name and phone number, and wasting our resources for somebody that really needs us..."

And Cindy indicates that Casey isn't allowed (by Baez) to cooperate:

"ANTHONY: Casey was under full instruction not to speak to outside, you know, people, even including the family, so that we weren`t put in any jeopardy of, you know, obstructing justice if she told us something.

So she`s not going to cooperate with anybody other than her attorneys and maybe anybody he appoints on his staff that has confidentiality. So that`s going to kind of clear that up a little bit."

This seems to indicate that Casey did have knowledge, at the time of the searches, that they were being done but not allowed to talk with Tim Miller. Does this help?

Haha so true. Did FCA think Tim was there to hang out or something?? What are the odds that CA wasn't telling FCA EVERYTHING that was going on? Unbelievable.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

I guess another reason she only wanted to participate in searches for a "live" Caylee, which would be based on "sightings", is that they tended to come in from places fun to visit like Puerto Rico and California and Texas.

She probably thought she'd put all that pretend event planner experience to work organizing "Let's Look for Caylee" cruises or something.

It's so funny that someone who initially pretended to be protecting her daughter and her family from an evil "kidnapper" by not reporting her missing, suddenly cast that logic aside and jumped on the search bandwagon, particularly since doing so involved her release from jail. My eyes have never rolled so much in my life as they have the last three years seeing all this hogwash.

Her willingness to cooperate with CA in those first 9-11 calls was baffling when you look at her Zanny story...why was it suddenly ok to be cooperating with LE?