Timeline Discussion

[eyes4crime]

Here's sort of a pictoral representation, based on the postings on this page, the latest presser, and the email from Terri that gave a partial timeline. (If the sheriff's office is not sure that the truck was at the second FM during the time they're looking for a witness, then Terri and Dede's unaccounted for time begins a bit after 9:00 instead of a bit after 10:00.)

STEADFAST - gotta love this time-line! Thanks so much. :heart: You have produced these TL in several cases here at WS and I'm impressed each time with the organization and clarity. Thanks for taking the time to put this together for all of us. :blowkiss:

 

[BeanE]

Cells have time on them. I could see someone taking a call and noting the time.

Are there cells that sort of skip around on time while you're looking at them? Flashing 11:30, then 11:15, then 10, then 9:45, then 10 again, then 10:30 real quick so you don't know have a clue what time it is?

 

[Etilema]

I wonder if these people who say they saw DeDe at her work site at certain times actually made note of the times they saw her, or are they just guesstimating? Did they check their watches and mentally note the time? And why would they have needed to, since it was not known at the time that there was a child missing? Maybe this is why the times are varying.
I can say that I saw someone at "around such-and-such time" but I can't give an accurate time, unless I see a clock or a watch at that moment.

I agree. If it were like this, "I get to work at 9:00 and I saw DDS pulling in at the same time," it would be more reliable than just their general guess. JMO

 

[Etilema]

Ok I'm confused, again....the tag on LE's pics say Terris parking spot at the second FM, so isn't that "placing" her there? :waitasec:

That's how I understood it. I think the tag stating this was her parking spot might have been based on video from the area, showing her exiting the vehicle, etc. JMO

 

[adh74]

It's important to note here, particularly for people who are just starting to follow this case, that KGW's "reliable source" has reported Dede's start time as 11:15, 11:30, then 10:00, then 9:45, then back to 10:00, so people can decide how reliable this information is.

The change in time from 11:15 or 11:30 to 10, 9:45, 10 did not come until after LE distributed the Dede flier with the times noted on it.

It should also be noted that KGW reported that sources stated that Dede 'abruptly left' the place at which she was gardening at 11:15/11:30. If that was accurate, then the new times of 9:45/10 can not also be accurate.

Again, this is just so people following this case can each decide for themselves how much credibility they are comfortable with in this reporting by KGW.

I'm thinking she checked into work around 9am-ish and left shortly thereafter without saying anything to anyone. And since she was probably working alone on the 40 acre property, no one noticed she was gone until lunchtime.

 

[mauirain]

Here's sort of a pictoral representation, based on the postings on this page, the latest presser, and the email from Terri that gave a partial timeline. (If the sheriff's office is not sure that the truck was at the second FM during the time they're looking for a witness, then Terri and Dede's unaccounted for time begins a bit after 9:00 instead of a bit after 10:00.)

If TH has a receipt for the first FM at 9:12 and didn't get to the second FM till 45 minutes later???? Where the heck was she? How far away are the two stores?

 

[mauirain]

I'm thinking she checked into work around 9am-ish and left shortly thereafter without saying anything to anyone. And since she was probably working alone on the 40 acre property, no one noticed she was gone until lunchtime.

Yes, that is what I am thinking. That at first they reported that when lunchtime came around, they tried to find her and call her and she could not be located. I think when they really thought about it, no one remembers seeing her after 9am or so that morning......hence the difference in timeline.

 

[wenwe4]

If TH has a receipt for the first FM at 9:12 and didn't get to the second FM till 45 minutes later???? Where the heck was she? How far away are the two stores?

We just visited the PDX area over last weekend and returned two days ago. I was amazed @ how long it took to get from one area to another with the stop and go traffic on the freeways. On the way home, eastbound out of PDX on Wed. a semi hit the jersey barrier and knocked it into oncoming traffic from the West. The semi continued on down the freeway without a front tire and caught fire. 3 Firetrucks, and 45 minutes later we were able to detour around the scene but we were within 5 miles of the accident when we were slowed to a snails pace. We learned the next day that the freeway was closed for 6 hours to clear both directions of traffic. My recent experience tells me it could take 45 minutes to get from one suburban area to another via freeway. However from the looks of the map she would have crossed Hwy 26 (Sunset Hwy) by going SW approx 5 miles on NW Cornelius Pass from the school and then SE from there to the second FM about another 5 miles, utilizing NW Cornell Rd then NW Walker rd (both appear to be arterials but not Freeways).

 

[STEADFAST]

If TH has a receipt for the first FM at 9:12 and didn't get to the second FM till 45 minutes later???? Where the heck was she? How far away are the two stores?

Well, the LE timeline has approximate times of 9:00 for the first FM and 10:00 for the second one, so that could shorten it up a little. It's also possible she was never really at the 2nd FM.

 

[SerendipitySeeker]

If TH has a receipt for the first FM at 9:12 and didn't get to the second FM till 45 minutes later???? Where the heck was she? How far away are the two stores?

First post on this forum, and haven't read all the threads yet....
What about the Rock Creek Park / Falkenberg reservoir between the two FM stores and the other secluded parks off Cornell and Evergreen Parkway?
The truck looks so clean, maybe the Kaady carwash at 14740 NW Cornell was a stopover in the area before the fitness center on Twin Oaks.
If the truck was towed because of "the starter", maybe the high pressure carwash was the cause?
Just a first thought from my limited research....

 

[loves2bmom]

If TH has a receipt for the first FM at 9:12 and didn't get to the second FM till 45 minutes later???? Where the heck was she? How far away are the two stores?

Depending on her route...anywhere from 10-15 min.

 

[Kat010]

For quite awhile now, TH's timeline has bugged me, but I haven't been sure why.

While relaxing before heading to bed, I suddenly realized what it was that's bugging me.

It's *how* the timeline is being view.

It isn't a timeline for a rocket launch that has to be timed to l/100 of a second. Nor is it a timeline for a precise military operation.

It's just a mom running errands that on any other day would be...just running errands.

So I'd like to take a look at it from a simple, human perspective.

It's been a busy time: Kyron's science fair, getting the project set up the day before. Baby K is fussy. Maybe she was last night, too, and maybe TH has been up with her a couple of times. Dunno. Maybe she's a little tired--not uncommon for busy moms.

There's the science fair today, and later TH may be the one driving Kyron for the weekend swap with DY. That's been mentioned.

So far, her timeline re: FM and being at the gym checks out. Not to the second, but it's getting backed up.

Suppose that she's telling the truth about a fussy baby and driving around. And maybe after the chaos and noise of the excited kids at the science fair, the idea of a little peace and quiet sounds like a good idea to her, too, for herself.

So, they're rolling along. Baby K is settling down. Then --ooops. Baby K has a big, big urpsie, as babies will do. Or maybe a big, big, liquid poopy.

Whatever. It's unpleasant, baby K is crying, and it has to be taken care of.

TY finds a safe place to pull over in the country. Whips out the mommy bag. (I'm convinced that in case the planet explodes or something, we could rebuild civillization from what moms carry in those bags!)

She cleans up baby K, gets her settled down. Maybe has to change her shirt or panties, too. Gets the mess corraled into plastic bags--one for trash, including wipes, one for laundry (ooooh yuck).

TH has rolled down the window to get fresh air. Lots of fresh air.

At this point, let's say that the clean-up and soothing baby K has taken 10 minutes. Now Th is sitting back for a bit.

Nice fresh air. She's tired. Her head goes back, and she dozes off for maybe 10 minutes. She and baby K just doze happily in the fresh air.

Another 10 minutes.

It would be very very easy to speculate how 20 minutes of the 90 minutes "driving around" could be accounted for. There's driving around. There's cleaning up. There's soothing. There's dozing off without meaning to.

Does that make sense to anyone else?

The timeline, IMHO, can't be expected to have military precision. And in human terms, I think it's very likely that some time can be accounted for by normal stuff that might not even be talked about. As in "driving around" might include baby urpsie. I doubt she'd timeline 5 minutes to clean up urpsie, 3 minutes to put new top on, etc.

It's all just a normal part of running around with little kids. But it takes p time in that 90 min. span.

 

[gibby207]

Yes, I completely agree with you. I spent my time this Saturday running errands, and I can't even give you the approximate times in which I did these things. I know of 2 bullet points on the errand running because:
A) It was 12:01 and we needed lunch

.... and.....

B) Checked time as was going home from errands: 4:36.

That's all I have. I can't verify what times I was at certain places except with receipts. (aha moment...) Some places, I shopped but didn't purchase because what I wanted wasn't there. I had unaccountable time, but not a huge distance. I'm talking 4or so blocks here. LOL! Plus, this is a very busy part of Federal Way, WA. Lotsa traffic, lotsa stores... None of that time was I running around for 90 minutes unaccounted for. My receipts would tell that story.

 

[Emma Peel]

If it helps, I think her timeline in question has been whittled down by 15 minutes to one hour and 15. Somewhere around here today or yesterday IIRC, we figured that out.

Anyway I have always agreed that this is a very likely toddler alibi. And I like this human approach to what I've always said is not a large amount of time given a fussy toddler.

(Doesn't mean I'm not on another thread writing a theory about why, when given this is a perfectly reasonable alibi, LE feels Terri is being evasive about this part of her timeline.)

 

[Jo in Calif]

Like I posted in the connect the dots theories thread. I'm not real sure LE doesn't believe Terry that she was at the two FM at the time she was there, I think it could possibly be her reasons for being at the two stores, that IMO might have sent up red flags to them. 1st FM Terry says she went there for a specific medication for baby K, stated they were out of it, got a timed stamped receipt, IMO from Starbuck's. Went to the 2nd FM to see if they had the medication she was hell-o bent on purchasing, don't know if she has a receipt for that store, or states that FM, doesn't have the particular medication either, but has an eye witness to corroborate her story. I would hope LE checked with the two FM to see in fact they were out of the medications she was after, if the FM stores weren't out of the medication, this would of made LE suspicious of the story told to them, as to the reason she was really at those stores.

 

[DairyGirl]

I'm thinking that Terri really thought that the only time they would be looking at was 9:00 am to 10:00 am, when "it" happened. She probably thought that if she had those times covered no one would look closely at the other times.

 

[wondering1]

For quite awhile now, TH's timeline has bugged me, but I haven't been sure why.

While relaxing before heading to bed, I suddenly realized what it was that's bugging me.

It's *how* the timeline is being view.

It isn't a timeline for a rocket launch that has to be timed to l/100 of a second. Nor is it a timeline for a precise military operation.

It's just a mom running errands that on any other day would be...just running errands.

So I'd like to take a look at it from a simple, human perspective.

It's been a busy time: Kyron's science fair, getting the project set up the day before. Baby K is fussy. Maybe she was last night, too, and maybe TH has been up with her a couple of times. Dunno. Maybe she's a little tired--not uncommon for busy moms.

There's the science fair today, and later TH may be the one driving Kyron for the weekend swap with DY. That's been mentioned.

So far, her timeline re: FM and being at the gym checks out. Not to the second, but it's getting backed up.

Suppose that she's telling the truth about a fussy baby and driving around. And maybe after the chaos and noise of the excited kids at the science fair, the idea of a little peace and quiet sounds like a good idea to her, too, for herself.

So, they're rolling along. Baby K is settling down. Then --ooops. Baby K has a big, big urpsie, as babies will do. Or maybe a big, big, liquid poopy.

Whatever. It's unpleasant, baby K is crying, and it has to be taken care of.

TY finds a safe place to pull over in the country. Whips out the mommy bag. (I'm convinced that in case the planet explodes or something, we could rebuild civillization from what moms carry in those bags!)

She cleans up baby K, gets her settled down. Maybe has to change her shirt or panties, too. Gets the mess corraled into plastic bags--one for trash, including wipes, one for laundry (ooooh yuck).

TH has rolled down the window to get fresh air. Lots of fresh air.

At this point, let's say that the clean-up and soothing baby K has taken 10 minutes. Now Th is sitting back for a bit.

Nice fresh air. She's tired. Her head goes back, and she dozes off for maybe 10 minutes. She and baby K just doze happily in the fresh air.

Another 10 minutes.

It would be very very easy to speculate how 20 minutes of the 90 minutes "driving around" could be accounted for. There's driving around. There's cleaning up. There's soothing. There's dozing off without meaning to.

Does that make sense to anyone else?

The timeline, IMHO, can't be expected to have military precision. And in human terms, I think it's very likely that some time can be accounted for by normal stuff that might not even be talked about. As in "driving around" might include baby urpsie. I doubt she'd timeline 5 minutes to clean up urpsie, 3 minutes to put new top on, etc.

It's all just a normal part of running around with little kids. But it takes p time in that 90 min. span.

those details you're referencing are exactly what you'd expect to hear from a toddler mom. Maybe she gave them, maybe she didn't. But all we know right now is that she drove around *for a few minutes trying to get baby to sleep* or trying to get baby to sleep *for a few minutes*, depending on how you read that sentence. We have no information that TH provided detail, but if I had been questioned for hours on end multiple times, I think I would have mentioned the explosive poop and diaper detail. And I can't imagine a mom falling asleep on the side of the road with a baby in the car when her house was nearby. As I've posted, I'm SO FAR from mother of the year, and I've never done that or considered doing that, or put myself in a position where i *might* do that.

 

[Aedrys]

This could be right. I've never said that she absolutely, positively could not be innocent. Just because I believe she isn't doesn't mean for certain that she is guilty. This could be just a mom running errands and soothing a baby on a day that her stepson goes missing. It could be likely, and if it is proven that she's innocent, well there you go. She was just being a mom.

However, if that was the case, I don't think LE would spend so much time and resources on verifying her timeline to a T. I don't think they'd be looking for accomplices and doing searches on her friends properties if this was Terri just being a mom. I'd love for her to just be this unfortunate mom that happened to have a have timeline with some unaccounted for time on the day her stepson disappeared. I'd love also for Kyron not to be missing, and for this whole case to not have happened.

But even if she is innocent, it is incumbent on LE to thoroughly check her out and if she is innocent, then they will have to focus elsewhere. They cannot just look the other way and say, "Oh, she's just this poor mom with a sick baby and couldn't have possibly done this. No caring, loving mother like her could ever disappear a young boy."

Look at other cases of loving, caring moms killing their kids. Casey Anthony had no record at all and she killed her daughter. She was known to have bad behaviors like stealing and partying, but that's not against the law, especially if who she stole from doesn't report it. Her friends and especially her mother couldn't believe that she would hurt her child since Caylee was so well taken care of. If it wasn't for that darn smell of decomp in her trunk, I'm sure her being a good mother would still be argued (okay, well it is by her mother, but that doesn't really count in the scheme of things). Look at Susan Smith, Diane Downs, the woman in texas who drowned her five kids, I could go on and on. I doubt that anyone thought of them as bad mothers before they did what they did. If the police didn't take a close look into them, then what? Mothers can kill their kids and get away with it because gosh darnit, they're just good mothers with good mother alibis?

What bothers is me is that so many want Terri to be this great mother that couldn't have done this so much that they get irked if, oh my GOD, the police dare to look into what is just a simple, good mother explanation that should suffice for the day Kyron disappeared. How dare they think anything else but she's a good mother taking care of her baby.

All I'm saying is, whether she is innocent or not, LE has every right to look into her and make the decision of whether or not she did this. They are not going to turn a blind eye because she's a good mom and that's it. That would be lunacy. Most perverts and killers blend into society, not stick out from it. She could be just a good mom that makes a lot of destructive and bad decisions in her life that have nothing to do with Kyron. She could also be a cold blooded murderer of a little boy and I don't think that should be just thrown to the wayside because she's not talking.

LE is doing their job. They, not us, will determine if she's guilty or innocent. If her timeline checks out, then it's time to move on to something else. If it doesn't, then they need to charge her and find out from her where this little boy is. Their hands are tied. They can't move on because she won't talk, and they can't call her innocent either because she won't talk. What are they to do but keep looking into her and verifying her timeline as much possible to try to arrive at some sort of answer either way?

It doesn't matter how we feel, it matters how LE feels. And they definitely don't see this timeline as that of a good mom soothing her baby and working out at the gym. If it were that easy, the entire case wouldn't be where it is right now.

But it is correct to say that it COULD be just a good mom soothing her baby for all we know. Because that's how little we, the public, know. We are stuck in a continuous conundrum, endless circles of what if's until this either goes to trial, or LE announces they're looking into another situation besides Terri and accomplices helping her to do away with Kyron.

I'm sorry, but my sarcastic and cynical glasses just aren't as rosy as yours. I wish they could be.

 

[gibby207]

Yes... my post was basically cut and dry: LE is not convinced of her timeline, and receipts were my "aha moment." lol

 

[human]

I am so wondering about her June 3 time line. LE has been very mum on that except for wanting vids of that day as well. Why?

Perhaps there are some very strange things about that day as well.