Tire Tracks, Shoe Prints and DJH's cars

[human]

Thanks. It is important to remember, I think, that Jacob's case was one of the early ones that got national attention. And even today, most reporters cover missing kids as a news or feature story. There is precious little investigative journalism going on even on issues of corruption. Whatever we think of national politics these days, for example, it's apparent that the news media that covers those with political power are more concerned with maintaining access than getting at the truth. I can sort of see that in crime cases, given that the media shouldn't interfere in a good investigation. But certainly, much more could be done to hold people accountable for investigative failures.

And while I am happy to make the argument that LE in Jacob's case did the best it knew how to do in the hours after the abduction, but what excuse is there for not connecting the dates from the Paynesville cluster to Jared to Jacob? Geez. A blogger and a writer/researcher did it.

As far as the news, because of the net, newspapers no longer have the money to invest.

The Wetterlings have probably received all kinds of info over the years from many sources.

They had a great network of people who helped them. ELOC has it in his book. The MN Vikings even. Truckers. So many. Not sure if any other child has had such an outpouring.

And yes, LE made the connection and watched him for months. Since this is America and proof is required, what could be done until the advances of technology nailed him for Jared.

 

[Sasquatch321]

This is the hard evidence convincing people of heinrichs guilt, can you make the match?

 

[Sasquatch321]

https://www.google.com/search?q=jac...AUICCgC&biw=360&bih=560#imgrc=m3WRFHU5ZWcbPM:

Who has told you this footprint that is facing straight towards a tire track is actually Jacobs? I believe its been proven Footprint specialist Steve Mund was wearing Nikes too. There were never any other footprints in this pic or perp footprints behind it like there should be. You also dont leave an impression facing straight towards the vehicle when getting in one. So this paused media video, does someone just assume it is Jacobs? Was the media really just showing off tire tracks here after steve mund had done his work already? Who confirmed it?

 

[Sasquatch321]

This is a planted footprint folks imo, and meaning I was somewhat right all along. I think the picture of half a footprint facing straight towards the tire track and implanted into the ground is simply Steve Mund doing another kneel down there for tire impression work. That footprint never made sense to me, I think it is now.

 

[human]

Was the media allowed on the crime scene? I doubt it. Not until it was cleared

 

[Sasquatch321]

Was the media allowed on the crime scene? I doubt it. Not until it was cleared

Thats what Im saying after mund was in there putting footprints near the tire tracks in different places, then the media moved in and took pictures, only to cause future internet speculation that one of the clear ones in a paused video is actually Jacobs. Has LE told us whose footprint this is? Not yet.

 

[Sasquatch321]

Look at the detail in the gravel from the shoeprint. Someone knelt down, twisting his foot in place and for balance, then cleanly stepped out from that spot. The conclusion here tonight, "Don't be making conclusions about anything yet".

https://www.google.com/search?q=jac...AUICCgC&biw=360&bih=560#imgrc=m3WRFHU5ZWcbPM:

 

[cGorg]

You're going against your own train of thought....that being that only LE has the entire print field in their possession. Now you're making assumptions based upon a few pictures.

 

[cGorg]

Look at the detail in the gravel from the shoeprint. Someone knelt down, twisting his foot in place and for balance, then cleanly stepped out from that spot. The conclusion here tonight, "Don't be making conclusions about anything yet".

https://www.google.com/search?q=jac...AUICCgC&biw=360&bih=560#imgrc=m3WRFHU5ZWcbPM:

You just made a conclusion...or conclusions....

 

[cGorg]

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This is the hard evidence convincing people of heinrichs guilt, can you make the match?

How do YOU know the 2 separate sets of pictures are related?

 

[cGorg]

Thats what Im saying after mund was in there putting footprints near the tire tracks in different places, then the media moved in and took pictures, only to cause future internet speculation that one of the clear ones in a paused video is actually Jacobs. Has LE told us whose footprint this is? Not yet.

Maybe so.....but just what is it that Detective Mund is spraying? Mund is facing North. Jacob's "supposed" last footprint is facing south. So he's obviously focused on something.

 

[Sasquatch321]

If that has never been Jacobs footprint, it suddenly annhialates any evidence that he was put into a vehicle or that one was even involved. Which starts playing into the theory that LE made in 2004, that the perp was on foot. I believe they have some explaining to do.

In fact I believe it is Munds footprint and that is where kevin stopped on the driveway. We don't know where Jacobs are, We don't know where the perps are, and we don't know how they correlate with one another and the vehicle.

 

[human]

Maybe so.....but just what is it that Detective Mund is spraying? Mund is facing North. Jacob's "supposed" last footprint is facing south. So he's obviously focused on something.

Photo op

I really doubt the media is there on a fresh unsecured crime scene. Remember, they had crime scene tape up. That includes the media to keep out

 

[Trackergd]

If that has never been Jacobs footprint, it suddenly annhialates any evidence that he was put into a vehicle or that one was even involved. Which starts playing into the theory that LE made in 2004, that the perp was on foot. I believe they have some explaining to do.

In fact I believe it is Munds footprint and that is where kevin stopped on the driveway. We don't know where Jacobs are, We don't know where the perps are, and we don't know how they correlate with one another and the vehicle.

What I believe to be reasonable at this time is that a) the sneaker print is consistent with the sneaker brand, size and model that Jacobs parents and LE have disclosed that Jacob was wearing when he was abducted and that due to size, preclude them being an adult, b) that in my professional opinion, the pressure releases evident (and that I have run simulation tests on in damp sand) in the photograph of the print show that Jacob was leaning or stepping forward up into a vehicle, c) that in my professional opinion based on available photographs, DJH's shoes are consistent with the wavy pattern shoe prints in the driveway and that, d) that in my professional opinion based on the photographs of the tire prints in the driveway and of three of the photographs of the tires on DJH's EXP, that they are consistent with each other (and it appears the FBI is of the same opinion). Barring my personally inspecting DJH's shoes, tires and the actual casts and scene photographs, this is my position at this time.

You Sir, are entitled to your own opinion of the available information, and of course you are entitled to disagree with my analysis. I would hope you would respect my opinion/theories/analysis as much as I do yours.

 

[human]

What I believe to be reasonable at this time is that a) the sneaker print is consistent with the sneaker brand, size and model that Jacobs parents and LE have disclosed that Jacob was wearing when he was abducted and that due to size, preclude them being an adult, b) that in my professional opinion, the pressure releases evident (and that I have run simulation tests on in damp sand) in the photograph of the print show that Jacob was leaning or stepping forward up into a vehicle, c) that in my professional opinion based on available photographs, DJH's shoes are consistent with the wavy pattern shoe prints in the driveway and that, d) that in my professional opinion based on the photographs of the tire prints in the driveway and of three of the photographs of the tires on DJH's EXP, that they are consistent with each other (and it appears the FBI is of the same opinion). Barring my personally inspecting DJH's shoes, tires and the actual casts and scene photographs, this is my position at this time.

You Sir, are entitled to your own opinion of the available information, and of course you are entitled to disagree with my analysis. I would hope you would respect my opinion/theories/analysis as much as I do yours.

Damp sand is different from the material in the driveway. What impact would that have?

Do you think that if that is Jacob's footprint where Mund is casting, that it is very strange it is being oberved by a reporter and the area is not secure? Do you think the media was allowed to cross the crime scene tape?

 

[dexter75]

What I believe to be reasonable at this time is that a) the sneaker print is consistent with the sneaker brand, size and model that Jacobs parents and LE have disclosed that Jacob was wearing when he was abducted and that due to size, preclude them being an adult, b) that in my professional opinion, the pressure releases evident (and that I have run simulation tests on in damp sand) in the photograph of the print show that Jacob was leaning or stepping forward up into a vehicle, c) that in my professional opinion based on available photographs, DJH's shoes are consistent with the wavy pattern shoe prints in the driveway and that, d) that in my professional opinion based on the photographs of the tire prints in the driveway and of three of the photographs of the tires on DJH's EXP, that they are consistent with each other (and it appears the FBI is of the same opinion). Barring my personally inspecting DJH's shoes, tires and the actual casts and scene photographs, this is my position at this time.

You Sir, are entitled to your own opinion of the available information, and of course you are entitled to disagree with my analysis. I would hope you would respect my opinion/theories/analysis as much as I do yours.

Trackergd,
Thank you, for your opinion & many explanations throughout this topic. You certainly have helped me to understand quite a bit, in regard to tracking/prints/etc.

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[Sasquatch321]

I knew that footprint was planted somehow within the first ten minutes of seeing it for the first time 2 years ago. It's facing straight toward the tire track, every detail left in place from the shoe, and no sensible perp footprints surrounding it. I ask not to make a decision one way or the other.

 

[Trackergd]

Damp sand is different from the material in the driveway. What impact would that have?

Do you think that if that is Jacob's footprint where Mund is casting, that it is very strange it is being oberved by a reporter and the area is not secure? Do you think the media was allowed to cross the crime scene tape?

I find it reasonable that a media or police/fire company photographer was permitted on the grass on either side of the driveway. This is consistent with what I currently experience at crime/abduction/missing person scenes.

It is reasonable to assume that the photographer may have been outside any restriction markers and used a telephoto lens to take the picture of Mund looking at something. It is also reasonable to assume that the photograph was taken after all the print field analysis was complete and was staged for the media.

LE "may" have assumed that the print field was the driveway and failed to appreciate that the grass on either side was also a potential print field. Not an uncommon error with departments that are not experienced in forensic investigation.

I have no reference to determine if Mund is looking at a print or the photograph is staged. As for "secured", we have had a number of debates. I think it is safe to assume from what we currently know, it was not secured in a manner that would be acceptable by today's standards. This "may" be in part why the information is being held close to the vest by SCSD as a good defense would have a field day with any hint of evidence contamination.

 

[Trackergd]

I knew that footprint was planted somehow within the first ten minutes of seeing it for the first time 2 years ago. It's facing straight toward the tire track, every detail left in place from the shoe, and no sensible perp footprints surrounding it. I ask not to make a decision one way or the other.

Did you take into account the small stones in the edges of the print, and that the front half of the print is much sharper and deeper than the back half? It is very difficult to fake a print. The print would be devoid of any pressure releases as it would be a flat down in and back up with a hand inside the shoe..no deeper toe or heal impression as in a walking gait. This print has at least three visible pressure releases/indicators. There is also a larger and some smaller stones in the right rear part of the print that is forced into the dirt slightly, but not fully indicating Jacobs full weight was not on the rear portion of his shoe. There is also some debris in the back half of the print from dirt/dust falling out of the sneaker pattern. A hand in a sneaker would have pushed the stone down further and the print would have been uniform front to back. A further indication this was not faked is the "mounding" around the toe and front sides of the print. The foot/sneaker that made this print slid forward slightly with weight in the front half before the sneaker was lifted out heal first and toe last. It is why the stones at the front are outside the print, not in it.

 

[human]

It does not seem like the media is allowed on the crime scene

http://www.csitechblog.com/crime-scene-investigation/

The responding officer(s) should:

Control all individuals at the scene — prevent individuals from altering or destroying physical evidence by restricting movement, location, and activity while ensuring and maintaining safety at the scene.
Identify all individuals at the scene, such as:
Suspects. Secure and separate.

Witnesses. Secure and separate.

Bystanders. Determine whether they were witnesses, if so treat as above, if not, remove from the scene.

Victims/family/friends. Control while showing compassion.

Medical and other assisting personnel.

Exclude unauthorized and nonessential personnel from the scene (e.g., law enforcement officials not working the case, politicians and media).