Titanic tourist sub goes missing in Atlantic Ocean, June 2023 #4

[LinasK]

He almost sounds mentally unbalanced - not that takes any culpability from him.

It's been said that some CEO's are sociopaths.

 

[MrsAddick]

It's been said that some CEO's are sociopaths.

Yes, Jon Ronson’s book ‘The Psychopath Test’ is a good read. Having worked closely with several CEOs, I tend to agree…

IMO Stockton was so chock full of hubris, and singularly goal-orientated, that the end would always justify the means.
Not suicidal at all….but a raging narcissist who truly believed he was smarter than everyone else i.e. so intrinsically superior that his ‘gut-feel’ would override any contrary evidence

 

[Bekind89]

Yes, Jon Ronson’s book ‘The Psychopath Test’ is a good read. Having worked closely with several CEOs, I tend to agree…

IMO Stockton was so chock full of hubris, and singularly goal-orientated, that the end would always justify the means.
Not suicidal at all….but a raging narcissist who truly believed he was smarter than everyone else i.e. so intrinsically superior that his ‘gut-feel’ would override any contrary evidence

Can't help but wonder what his last thoughts were, if he had time to have any.

 

[lonetraveler]

Can't help but wonder what his last thoughts were, if he had time to have any.

Any last thoughts? I would guess that he was pissed that someone else screwed it up.

 

[ch_13]

I will never understand why he would not only take innocent passengers on this dangerous tin can, but did he not fear for himself?
It seems almost suicidal. Jmo

Some people just have a very high level of risk tolerance. Some occupations/activities require one to take one's life in one's own hands: test pilot, race car driver, mountain climber, commercial diver, etc.

That's not the issue. The problem with Rush is that he minimized the risks. Taking passengers underwater in an untested and unregulated hull was putting lives in jeopardy. But if he admitted the danger then he'd have to accept that the company he'd spent the last fifteen years building was fatally flawed.

 

[sds71]

“Besides it being a wreck of historical significance, the fact that it lies at such great depth makes it fascinating to visit,” Patrick Lahey, CEO of Triton Submarines, who is in the midst of building a new commercially available submersible that could handle such a journey, told The Post

“Titanic is a wreck that’s covered in marine life and soft coral. People want to go there for the same reason that they want to climb Mount Everest.”


Triton’s planned $20 million sub will be held to a much higher standard. Lahey has estimated it will be finished by next year.

“I’m very excited to be building this and to change the narrative,” he said.

Titanic wreck to be visited by another billionaire — two years after Oceangate disaster killed 5

Despite a submarine of tourists imploding at the site of the Titanic wreck, it remains a fascination for undersea explorers.

nypost.com

 

[iamshadow21]

Faulty engineering led to Titan submersible implosion

A report has found the owner failed to adequately test the Titan submersible and was unaware of its true durability before it imploded in 2023, killing five people.

www.abc.net.au

 

[mickey2942]

Some people just have a very high level of risk tolerance. Some occupations/activities require one to take one's life in one's own hands: test pilot, race car driver, mountain climber, commercial diver, etc.

That's not the issue. The problem with Rush is that he minimized the risks. Taking passengers underwater in an untested and unregulated hull was putting lives in jeopardy. But if he admitted the danger then he'd have to accept that the company he'd spent the last fifteen years building was fatally flawed.

Personally, I think it was narcissistic tunnel vision. He was so full of himself, his "success", his optimism and faith in his own personal toy submarine was infectious to other people, looking for a unique experience.

I have no doubt that any previous safety issues or flaws/risks were minimized, and anyone who interfered with the "vision" was shut down and out of the project.

I have been around people like this. They are charismatic, and full of vision. It is easy to get swept up in the excitement. Been there, done it. Watching "Mosquito Coast" is an excellent example.

 

[MsMarple]

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www.ntsb.gov

 

[Charlot123]

Yes, Jon Ronson’s book ‘The Psychopath Test’ is a good read. Having worked closely with several CEOs, I tend to agree…

IMO Stockton was so chock full of hubris, and singularly goal-orientated, that the end would always justify the means.
Not suicidal at all….but a raging narcissist who truly believed he was smarter than everyone else i.e. so intrinsically superior that his ‘gut-feel’ would override any contrary evidence

I don’t know whether it is goal-oriented or idea-oriented and if we can start discussing it as the case of overvalued idea, tbh. JMO.

I don’t even know how to name his main trait. “I always know the best,” disregarding the reality and the cost. How does one call obsessive self-righteousness? There is also a little bit of histrionic personality at play, it seems. Rush gets so high off attention that the rest is hopeless.

 

[Charlot123]

Personally, I think it was narcissistic tunnel vision. He was so full of himself, his "success", his optimism and faith in his own personal toy submarine was infectious to other people, looking for a unique experience.

I have no doubt that any previous safety issues or flaws/risks were minimized, and anyone who interfered with the "vision" was shut down and out of the project.

I have been around people like this. They are charismatic, and full of vision. It is easy to get swept up in the excitement. Been there, done it. Watching "Mosquito Coast" is an excellent example.

I fail to find the word for it, but it is something that the revolutionaries had. First, one has to subscribe to an idea, an own one or borrowed from someone else. doesn’t matter. Simply, the idea is “too good not to be true.” And then, tunnel vision develops, and total obsession. People around are split into the ones who are “pro” the idea or “against” it (these are the enemies, met with intense anger). This idea is shoved into people’s throats, “for their own good, they’ll see it”. Such idealists are not above lying or juggling numbers and data to prove that the idea is right. Usually it ends in human causalities, and depending on the idea, the toll varies greatly.

Having read through articles, I think it is a case of “overvalued ideation”. In this case, with engineering innovation. It is not a delusion, as the initial idea was reality-based, only it became unrealistic.

“ Overvalued ideation is an abnormally strong, single belief that dominates a person's thinking and behavior but is not delusional. These ideas may have some basis in reality but are held with such intense conviction that they interfere with daily life and are resistant to challenge, differing from obsessions because the individual doesn't try to fight them.”

 

[tricia]

Here is another good roundup of the final report from The National Transportation Safety Board in USA TODAY.

 

[Curiousobserver]

I fail to find the word for it, but it is something that the revolutionaries had. First, one has to subscribe to an idea, an own one or borrowed from someone else. doesn’t matter. Simply, the idea is “too good not to be true.” And then, tunnel vision develops, and total obsession. People around are split into the ones who are “pro” the idea or “against” it (these are the enemies, met with intense anger). This idea is shoved into people’s throats, “for their own good, they’ll see it”. Such idealists are not above lying or juggling numbers and data to prove that the idea is right. Usually it ends in human causalities, and depending on the idea, the toll varies greatly.

Having read through articles, I think it is a case of “overvalued ideation”. In this case, with engineering innovation. It is not a delusion, as the initial idea was reality-based, only it became unrealistic.

“ Overvalued ideation is an abnormally strong, single belief that dominates a person's thinking and behavior but is not delusional. These ideas may have some basis in reality but are held with such intense conviction that they interfere with daily life and are resistant to challenge, differing from obsessions because the individual doesn't try to fight them.”

Zealot-

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Christine Dawood, the widow who lost her husband and son in the Titan Submersible disaster three years ago, said she remembers getting their remains back nine months after the implosion in two small boxes — like "shoeboxes."

"We didn’t get the bodies for nine months," Dawood told the Guardian in a story published on Saturday. "Well, when I say bodies, I mean the slush that was left. They came in two small boxes, like shoeboxes."

She added that "There wasn’t much they could find" of Shahzada Dawood, 48, and their son, Suleman, 19, of London, after the implosion.


"They have a big pile they can’t separate, all mixed DNA, and they asked if I wanted some of that, too. But I said no, just what you know is Suleman and Shahzada."

Shahzada and Suleman were killed along with OceanGate CEO Stockton Rush, businessman Hamish Harding and Titanic expert Paul-Henri Nargeolet, when the submersible imploded as it descended toward the Titanic wreck in the North Atlantic Ocean on June 18, 2023.

Dawood told the Guardian she remembers the last time she saw her husband and son that morning they got in the submersible as she battled seasickness aboard the ship that took them out to where they descended.

"Suleman had his Rubik’s Cube, because he was planning to get the record for solving it at the deepest depth ever," she remembered. "And we were giggling, because Shahzada is clumsy and when he was going down the stairs he was wobbling a bit. I waved. And that was it. They got into a dinghy and sped off. It went very fast, the goodbye."

A few hours later in the ship’s dining room, Dawood heard someone say: "They’ve lost communications."

Titan sub widow remembers husband, son's remains returned in small boxes | Fox News

Titan submersible widow Christine Dawood recalls receiving her husband's and son's remains in something like 'shoeboxes' nine months after the catastrophic 2023 implosion.

www.foxnews.com

 

[PrairieWind]

Christine Dawood, the widow who lost her husband and son in the Titan Submersible disaster three years ago, said she remembers getting their remains back nine months after the implosion in two small boxes — like "shoeboxes."

"We didn’t get the bodies for nine months," Dawood told the Guardian in a story published on Saturday. "Well, when I say bodies, I mean the slush that was left. They came in two small boxes, like shoeboxes."

She added that "There wasn’t much they could find" of Shahzada Dawood, 48, and their son, Suleman, 19, of London, after the implosion.


"They have a big pile they can’t separate, all mixed DNA, and they asked if I wanted some of that, too. But I said no, just what you know is Suleman and Shahzada."

Shahzada and Suleman were killed along with OceanGate CEO Stockton Rush, businessman Hamish Harding and Titanic expert Paul-Henri Nargeolet, when the submersible imploded as it descended toward the Titanic wreck in the North Atlantic Ocean on June 18, 2023.

Dawood told the Guardian she remembers the last time she saw her husband and son that morning they got in the submersible as she battled seasickness aboard the ship that took them out to where they descended.

"Suleman had his Rubik’s Cube, because he was planning to get the record for solving it at the deepest depth ever," she remembered. "And we were giggling, because Shahzada is clumsy and when he was going down the stairs he was wobbling a bit. I waved. And that was it. They got into a dinghy and sped off. It went very fast, the goodbye."

A few hours later in the ship’s dining room, Dawood heard someone say: "They’ve lost communications."

Titan sub widow remembers husband, son's remains returned in small boxes | Fox News

Titan submersible widow Christine Dawood recalls receiving her husband's and son's remains in something like 'shoeboxes' nine months after the catastrophic 2023 implosion.

www.foxnews.com

Sad. And to only get remains in that condition. I sort of amazed they were able to retrieve ANY remains to be honest.