Titanic tourist sub goes missing in Atlantic Ocean, June 2023 #4
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I see. So there is a conflict in what NewsNation and this New Yorker article are reporting.
The New Yorker article cited another case of "never sent". For reference, Triton Submarines was another industry contender but used titanium for its subs.
"The Triton’s outside counsel, Brad Patrick, considered the risk to life to be so evident that the government should get involved. He drafted a letter to McDevitt, the osha investigator, urging the Department of Labor to take 'immediate and decisive action to stop OceanGate” from taking passengers to the Titanic 'before people die. It is that simple.' He went on, 'At the bottom of all of this is the inevitable tension betwixt greed and safety.' But Patrick’s letter was never sent. Other people at Triton worried that the Department of Labor might perceive the letter as an attack on a business rival."
The Titan Submersible Was “An Accident Waiting to Happen”
Interviews and e-mails with expedition leaders and employees reveal how OceanGate ignored desperate warnings from inside and outside the company. “It’s a lemon,” one wrote.
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I agree with you, this was never a feasible or deliberate attack on the Sub.
I'm apologize if that is how you interpreted my comment.
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I see. So there is a conflict in what NewsNation and this New Yorker article are reporting.
The New Yorker article cited another case of "never sent". For reference, Triton Submarines was another industry contender but used titanium for its subs.
"The Triton’s outside counsel, Brad Patrick, considered the risk to life to be so evident that the government should get involved. He drafted a letter to McDevitt, the osha investigator, urging the Department of Labor to take 'immediate and decisive action to stop OceanGate” from taking passengers to the Titanic 'before people die. It is that simple.' He went on, 'At the bottom of all of this is the inevitable tension betwixt greed and safety.' But Patrick’s letter was never sent. Other people at Triton worried that the Department of Labor might perceive the letter as an attack on a business rival."
The Titan Submersible Was “An Accident Waiting to Happen”
Interviews and e-mails with expedition leaders and employees reveal how OceanGate ignored desperate warnings from inside and outside the company. “It’s a lemon,” one wrote.www.newyorker.com
All I know is what Bart Kemper said... and, I think he was "clarifying" in that interview.
I think this is BKemper:
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I’m curious to know more about the previous dive where titan lost communication with the mother ship for 24 hours and was floating either under or above the water with no electricity. Was this trip just employees or were there passengers aboard? I can’t imagine how terrifying that would be and surprised that if it was “passengers” or mission specialists we wouldn’t have heard more details of their story by now.
Link please??
You need to verify this story by finding it in MSM and linking it for everyone to read. Thanks
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This was a 4 hr loss of comms. Don’t recall 24 hr loss, they’d abort the trip and go back to the surface from what I recall.
This was a 4 hr loss of comms. Don’t recall 24 hr loss, they’d abort the trip and go back to the surface from what I recall.
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OceanGate CEO Stockton Rush sent his submersible down to the Titanic with a thruster facing the wrong way last year and had to troubleshoot it on the fly
"Yeah — left and right might be forward and back. Huh. I don't know. It might work," Rush told the submersible's pilot, according to the BBC.
www.insider.com
Backwards thruster, I put this up because not everyone can access the Insider article.
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"The whole electrical system — that was our design, we implemented it and it works," 2017 electrical engineering graduate Mark Walsh told WSU Insider in February 2018. "We are on the precipice of making history and all of our systems are going down to the Titanic. It is an awesome feeling!"
Walsh said that he was hired on the spot during a tour of OceanGate's facilities by WSU's Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers club. He said that the company immediately hired him after he and a friend offered some solutions for challenges the company faced.
"If electrons flow through it, I'm in charge of it," he told the outlet with a laugh. He was responsible for such systems as monitors, keyboards, tablets, Wi-Fi, and sonar.
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Walsh said that he was hired on the spot during a tour of OceanGate's facilities by WSU's Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers club. He said that the company immediately hired him after he and a friend offered some solutions for challenges the company faced.
"If electrons flow through it, I'm in charge of it," he told the outlet with a laugh. He was responsible for such systems as monitors, keyboards, tablets, Wi-Fi, and sonar.
Lost Titanic sub: Vessel used electrical system designed by college interns: Report
The Titan submersible that imploded en route to explore the Titanic was using an electrical system designed by college interns, according to a report.
"The whole electrical system — that was our design, we implemented it and it works," 2017 electrical engineering graduate Mark Walsh told WSU Insider in February 2018. "We are on the precipice of making history and all of our systems are going down to the Titanic. It is an awesome feeling!"
Walsh said that he was hired on the spot during a tour of OceanGate's facilities by WSU's Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers club. He said that the company immediately hired him after he and a friend offered some solutions for challenges the company faced.
"If electrons flow through it, I'm in charge of it," he told the outlet with a laugh. He was responsible for such systems as monitors, keyboards, tablets, Wi-Fi, and sonar.
Lost Titanic sub: Vessel used electrical system designed by college interns: Report
The Titan submersible that imploded en route to explore the Titanic was using an electrical system designed by college interns, according to a report.
People with little to no experience in real life situations come cheap.
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A Subway restaurant in Georgia has come under fire for its sign, which references the Titan sub which imploded killing five people onboard as it descended toward the Titanic.
The store in Rincon, Georgia, a suburb of Savannah, had a sign read, “Our subs don’t implode,” WTOC 11 reported. A store manager told the news outlet that the sign has since been removed.
“We have been in contact with the franchise about this matter and made it clear that this kind of comment has no place in our business,” a statement from Subway said. “The sign has since been removed.”
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The store in Rincon, Georgia, a suburb of Savannah, had a sign read, “Our subs don’t implode,” WTOC 11 reported. A store manager told the news outlet that the sign has since been removed.
“We have been in contact with the franchise about this matter and made it clear that this kind of comment has no place in our business,” a statement from Subway said. “The sign has since been removed.”
Georgia Subway faces backlash over ‘distasteful’ sign about Titan: ‘Our subs don’t implode’
Five people were killed when the Titan sub imploded as it was descending to the Ocean floor and the Titanic wreckage.
A Subway restaurant in Georgia has come under fire for its sign, which references the Titan sub which imploded killing five people onboard as it descended toward the Titanic.
The store in Rincon, Georgia, a suburb of Savannah, had a sign read, “Our subs don’t implode,” WTOC 11 reported. A store manager told the news outlet that the sign has since been removed.
“We have been in contact with the franchise about this matter and made it clear that this kind of comment has no place in our business,” a statement from Subway said. “The sign has since been removed.”
Georgia Subway faces backlash over ‘distasteful’ sign about Titan: ‘Our subs don’t implode’
Five people were killed when the Titan sub imploded as it was descending to the Ocean floor and the Titanic wreckage.
Bet that franchisee is removed, they cannot inhale without permission from Head Office.
Disgusting to think people want to make money on the back of this tragedy.
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As they were enclosed inside the submersible, Christine watched anxiously from the support ship, accompanied by their daughter, Alina.
"You sit in a plane without knowing how the engine works," said Christine.
The Dawood family's fascination with the Titanic began in 2012 when they visited an exhibition commemorating the ship's 100th anniversary. This passion grew, leading them to OceanGate's offer to explore the Titanic. In 2019, the family visited Greenland and was intrigued by the glaciers that sheathed into icebergs that's when Ms. Dawood spotted an OceanGate ad, offering trips to the Titanic, reported New York Times.
The Dawood family encountered cramped cabins during their journey. In order to accommodate everyone, the husband and wife resorted to sleeping in bunk beds, with the wife occupying the top bunk. Each of the children was assigned their own cabin. As for meals, the family gathered together in the ship's galley, where they enjoyed buffet-style dining, with food served on trays.
Every day, at both 7 a.m. and 7 p.m., hour-long or even longer all-hands meetings were held onboard the ship, Polar Prince. Main idea was to keep the paying customers; the “explorers, adventurers, and citizen scientists" to be active participants.
OceanGate's marketing material portrayed a blend of excitement and scientific exploration, appealing to a mix of clients seeking both validation and adventure. Mission participants, referred to as "mission specialists," received personalized gear and embarked on what OceanGate described as "SpaceX for the ocean." The adventurers were given shirts and jackets embroidered with their names and the flags of their countries while A patch on the sleeve read, “Titanic Survey Exploration Crew."
However, OceanGate faced criticism and skepticism within the submersible community. Concerns were raised regarding the submersible's cylindrical design, the size of the porthole, and the durability of the materials used. Despite these doubts, Rush continued to take on customers and make revisions to address safety concerns, reported New York Times.
OceanGate had planned a series of expeditions to the Titanic site. Unfavourable weather conditions in May and June and rough seas prevented the previous four attempts from reaching the Titanic. The ill-fated dive marked the final mission, known as Mission V.
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"You sit in a plane without knowing how the engine works," said Christine.
The Dawood family's fascination with the Titanic began in 2012 when they visited an exhibition commemorating the ship's 100th anniversary. This passion grew, leading them to OceanGate's offer to explore the Titanic. In 2019, the family visited Greenland and was intrigued by the glaciers that sheathed into icebergs that's when Ms. Dawood spotted an OceanGate ad, offering trips to the Titanic, reported New York Times.
The Dawood family encountered cramped cabins during their journey. In order to accommodate everyone, the husband and wife resorted to sleeping in bunk beds, with the wife occupying the top bunk. Each of the children was assigned their own cabin. As for meals, the family gathered together in the ship's galley, where they enjoyed buffet-style dining, with food served on trays.
Every day, at both 7 a.m. and 7 p.m., hour-long or even longer all-hands meetings were held onboard the ship, Polar Prince. Main idea was to keep the paying customers; the “explorers, adventurers, and citizen scientists" to be active participants.
OceanGate's marketing material portrayed a blend of excitement and scientific exploration, appealing to a mix of clients seeking both validation and adventure. Mission participants, referred to as "mission specialists," received personalized gear and embarked on what OceanGate described as "SpaceX for the ocean." The adventurers were given shirts and jackets embroidered with their names and the flags of their countries while A patch on the sleeve read, “Titanic Survey Exploration Crew."
However, OceanGate faced criticism and skepticism within the submersible community. Concerns were raised regarding the submersible's cylindrical design, the size of the porthole, and the durability of the materials used. Despite these doubts, Rush continued to take on customers and make revisions to address safety concerns, reported New York Times.
OceanGate had planned a series of expeditions to the Titanic site. Unfavourable weather conditions in May and June and rough seas prevented the previous four attempts from reaching the Titanic. The ill-fated dive marked the final mission, known as Mission V.
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On Father's Day, a British-Pakistani businessman and his son embarked on a journey to explore the wreckage of Titanic, but the expedition ended in tragedy.
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Didn’t he get the pilot qualification at 19? How could he pass the exam?
OceanGate CEO Stockton Rush sent his submersible down to the Titanic with a thruster facing the wrong way last year and had to troubleshoot it on the fly
"Yeah — left and right might be forward and back. Huh. I don't know. It might work," Rush told the submersible's pilot, according to the BBC.
OceanGate employee raised concerns about doomed Titan submersible
A new report claims nixed OceanGate director David Lochridge - pictured doing work on the ill-fated sub circa 2017 - emailed a fellow staffer to warn about the sub's failings in 2018.
Re: the 24-hour time period being “stuck” on the ocean floor, I think OP was referencing this portion from the New Yorker article:
It’s not clear that Rush could always stop his descent. Once, as he piloted passengers to the wreck, a malfunction prevented Rush from dropping weights. Passengers calmly discussed sleeping on the bottom of the ocean, thirty-eight hundred metres down; after twenty-four hours, a drop-weight mechanism would dissolve in the seawater, allowing the submersible to surface. Eventually, Rush managed to release the weights manually, using a hydraulic pump. “This is why you want your pilot to be an engineer,” a passenger said, smiling, as another “mission specialist” filmed her.
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Pelagic Research Services, the company that operated the ROV that made the previous debris findings, said on Wednesday that its team had successfully completed off-shore operations and was now in the process of demobilisation after 10 days of work. The company said a press conference will be held later in the day.
Photos from the wharf show what appear to be several pieces of the submersible being lifted from the ship, including the nose cone with its distinctive circular window. The pieces were unloaded from the American ships Sycamore and Horizon Arctic at a port in St John’s, Newfoundland.
“We are not able to provide any additional information at this time as the investigation is ongoing,” said Liam MacDonald, a spokesperson for the TSB said.
The Coast Guard announced just hours later that “presumed human remains” had been found on the sea floor. They will now be formally analysed.
Imploded Titanic submarine seen for first time as pieces recovered from sea floor
The Titan’s wreckage was seen for the first time in pictures taken on Wednesday, more than a week after it imploded in the depths of the Atlantic
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Titan sub disaster raises question over who insured OceanGate for voyage
Suing OceanGate for the Titan disaster could be difficult for the victims' families, but not impossible.
www.newsweek.com
I don't think anyone has yet confirmed if Ocean Gate or the Titan and its dives were insured, and if so, by who.
But the Polar Prince, the Mother Ship, was registered in Canada, so certainly that vessel was insured. I'm curious what the company is doing right now? Emptying out bank accounts and liquidating assets?
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