TN - 4 dead, several injured at Waffle House, Nashville, Apr 2018 *Guilty*

[StephanieH]

AKA white privilege

:clap:

 

[jjenny]

Sheriff confirms, they never actually had custody of the weapons, they right away just allowed his father to have the weapons. Even if father gave weapons back to his son, he might have not broken any state laws, because he is allowed to gift the weapons to relatives. So, isn't that funny? If weapons are ordered removed, LE would just leave them with a relative, who is then allowed to gift them back. I guess it would have been funny if it wasn't so sad. Where is the gun control? Loopholes are enough to drive a truck through.

"In addition, it is permissible under Illinois law to “gift” a firearm to a family member. It might not be legal to own that weapon but there is nothing against the law from a person giving a family member a firearm, said Tazewell County State’s Attorney Stu Umholtz, who stressed he didn’t know if the weapons taken last summer, specifically the AR-15 style rifle, was used in the shooting early Sunday."


http://www.pjstar.com/news/20180423...never-had-custody-of-travis-reinkings-weapons

 

[deedee21]

Insane means one does not know the difference between right and wrong.

Exactly. Also insanity has no motive.

 

[deedee21]

Was he captured yet?

 

[CARIIS]

I've wondered also if his parents were in touch while he was in hiding. Wonder if the police will get a warrant for their

cell phones or computers? Like they did with Omar Mateen's wife.?? She didn't commit the crime but LE sure went

after her aggressively.

I noticed both parents have shut down their FB accts. There's lots of negative backlash against them right now.

i thought the same thing in regards to request a attorney that surprised me .

 

[cujenn81]

He has a long history of mental problems.

A lot of detail at the link about his reported, and crazy, interactions with people. I'm more amazed then ever that he was able to possess the rifle and other weapons. Something is terribly deficient in our laws. The parents also have some explaining to do.

https://heavy.com/news/2018/04/travis-reinking-waffle-house-gunman/

Very informative article. The narratives in those police reports are disturbing, to say the least.

 

[CARIIS]

He has a long history of mental problems.

A lot of detail at the link about his reported, and crazy, interactions with people. I'm more amazed then ever that he was able to possess the rifle and other weapons. Something is terribly deficient in our laws. The parents also have some explaining to do.

https://heavy.com/news/2018/04/travis-reinking-waffle-house-gunman/

from this link

[FONT=&amp]According to police reports released by the Tazewell Sheriff’s Office, Reinking said in 2017 that he previously took the three rifles and a handgun away from his son “awhile back” and “locked them up” while Travis was “having problems.”

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Deputies told Jeff Reinking he “might want to lock the guns back up until Travis gets the mental help which he stated he would.”[/FONT][FONT=&amp]



[/FONT]

 

[CARIIS]

In Florida I watched a barefooted women in a tiny thong with pasties grocery shop. No one even blinked. Not sure Walmart has a dress code? or it's just not enforced.

oh my god I stay away from those superstores

the little grocery yellow ones are ok

use Target if wanting that segment of retail

levity break

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxdfrMWbSE0

 

[CARIIS]

Insanity is the term used for the definition under criminal law. The legal definition of insanity or "mental disorder" under criminal law varies some.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insanity_defense

US law

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insanity_defense#United_States_law

Insane is really a hangover from the 50's

There is no such thing as insane in the mental health field

Psychosis and delusions are the outgrowth of 1950's definition of insanity/

Insanity is like cheesy horror films

both psychosis and delusions wane in intensity and duration/

Only the acute are chronically either one or the other most go in and out -- experiencing periods of time or relative stability

Relative important here! When not actively psychotic or delusional most appear a bit off or different but can easily be in aisle 4 in a walmart super store!!

Typically there is an emotional component that is just "different" when stable - but few folks suffering with the malady run around talking to clouds constantly.

It more like in and out or up or down .

In a lot of times media gets reared up about family -- but most family systems are really not anticipating IMO that their family member will go take a machine gun and slaughter other humans.

He is 29 the families only recourse would be to go to court and prove that he cant cut his food count money do the laundry dress correctly drive pay bills to get any family system to take control over an adult

and the above mentioned had better be easily proven over time

I have found correlations with socioeconomic religion and education history in terms of how family systems view mental illness/

There are very real differences/

If we had a schizophrenic male 23 years of age

and had the same person in a lower socioeconomic setting and then the same
person in an affluent system generally speaking the exact same illness and its consequences are responded to very
differently

Lets make it T Giving. In both setting the person suffering loses it and turns over the dining room table with food flying all over

Just using an general example

In the lower socioeconomic / education family system in all likelihood the cops would
be called

In the affluent setting an ambulance would be called with a request to transport the individual to a psyc hospital.

There are also differences in terms of hiding a family member suffering with illiness/

Generally speaking in more educated family systems it is much more out in the open - is not an embarrassment and nothing to be ashamed of.

It is different .

In this context I found dads description of the situation very telling

"When he was having problems" struck me as kinda in denial of the situation/

Age impacts also. This generation is much more educated and empathetic than the previous generations.

If we notice the sister went over to deescalate him and had no fear of him

I would be very curious if they did try intervention earlier however.

Onset tho , in this situation pretty well fits sounds like he starting having more and more issues as he got older and that is often how it progresses.

I did get the sense that dad had been talking to him while he was on the run. However as parents would you not do the same thing for your child -- tell him to ask for a lawyer and hope he remembers to do so.

I have always had empathy for family systems in these situations.

In terms of public media perception tho IMO the family systems that are open and authetic with the media (Elliot ROgers folks ) imo tend to fair better in the public sphere.

But in this instance they appear to be very religious so there may be some of that this is gods choice kind of thing.

It would behove them imo to be straight up and acknowledge his history.

It seems to me the public tends to be kinder if the system is honest with the public -- not vanish

There are imo also gender differences in responding to a mentally ill family member

and that goes both ways/ By that I mean if it is a son or a daughter who is ill the system will respond differently -- as will the mother and the father

father to sick son different than with sick daughter -- its just socialization .

father to sick daughter would be different.

same with mom to son daughter

same with siblings

its complicated

for some reason tho I get a sense that dad really wanted his sons issued hidden and that his illness was a source of intense conflict within the marriage.

It just feels like dad was kinda over it but at the end of the day when your son goes and shoots up people it is kind of
parenty" for dad not to want his son to get himself in more legal trouble than he already is in

He was on a downward spiral got fired recently am confident dad was not all that thrilled exacerbates his decompensation

if we look at just what we know he was on a downward spiral stealing a car etc etc

the notion however IMO that he can say he wants a lawyer does not negate any of his illiness

The pants to me just struck me as totally afraid someone or something was coming after him -- i get a feeling of fleeing danger

the four minutes in the truck is also haunting imo for some reason there was some torment going on

the long term history we know of at this point is congruent with the reality that he suffered with profound mental illness and like most before him is not excuse to get away with a murder -- its the illness itself

Sick people have been killing people for decades

it feels more hideous because machine guns destroy more people than a revolver or knife


at some point our nation is going to have to address their addiction to the right to bear machine guns

Parkland shows that the next generation is heading in the right direction.

Until then ----- keep your news on ----


did you all hear about the mentally disturbed young man in canada ................

just my ramblings................

 

[black_squirrel]

Sheriff confirms, they never actually had custody of the weapons, they right away just allowed his father to have the weapons. Even if father gave weapons back to his son, he might have not broken any state laws, because he is allowed to gift the weapons to relatives. So, isn't that funny? If weapons are ordered removed, LE would just leave them with a relative, who is then allowed to gift them back. I guess it would have been funny if it wasn't so sad. Where is the gun control? Loopholes are enough to drive a truck through.

"In addition, it is permissible under Illinois law to “gift” a firearm to a family member. It might not be legal to own that weapon but there is nothing against the law from a person giving a family member a firearm, said Tazewell County State’s Attorney Stu Umholtz, who stressed he didn’t know if the weapons taken last summer, specifically the AR-15 style rifle, was used in the shooting early Sunday."


http://www.pjstar.com/news/20180423...never-had-custody-of-travis-reinkings-weapons

The father knows that the weapons were taken from the son because he had been a threat to people. Then he gave the weapons to the son and the son follows through on the threat. I think the father can be prosecuted for that.

 

[cybervampira]

Mugshot:

https://twitter.com/mnpdnashville/status/988552568522633216?s=21

 

[x_files]

The father knows that the weapons were taken from the son because he had been a threat to people. Then he gave the weapons to the son and the son follows through on the threat. I think the father can be prosecuted for that.

As he should. He knew he was suicidal and violent threat to others and gave him back his guns.

 

[x_files]

Mugshot:

https://twitter.com/mnpdnashville/status/988552568522633216?s=21

Doesn't look sad or remorseful to me.

 

[x_files]

"Police chased the Nashville Waffle House shooter and the car he allegedly stole through rush-hour traffic just days before he open fired on the restaurant and killed four people."
https://news.vice.com/en_us/article...olice-on-rush-hour-chase-days-before-shooting

 

[enelram]

"Police chased the Nashville Waffle House shooter and the car he allegedly stole through rush-hour traffic just days before he open fired on the restaurant and killed four people."
https://news.vice.com/en_us/article...olice-on-rush-hour-chase-days-before-shooting

...proving again that this young man-child had no respect for the law. No moral understanding of you don't take what doesn't belong to you. No guidelines to what it takes to be a good citizen. Or desire to be one. totally acting out
like an angry, disgruntled teen... at 29 yrs. old

....how's that homeschooling and uber religious home and gun loving dad working for you today mom and dad?.

 

[Isabelle]

"Police chased the Nashville Waffle House shooter and the car he allegedly stole through rush-hour traffic just days before he open fired on the restaurant and killed four people."
https://news.vice.com/en_us/article...olice-on-rush-hour-chase-days-before-shooting

So, police were involved in a rush hour chase days before the shooting. Did police capture and arrest the person driving the stolen BMW, or did they just let him go his merry way? Seems a part of this story that is important is missing???

 

[x_files]

So, police were involved in a rush hour chase days before the shooting. Did police capture and arrest the person driving the stolen BMW, or did they just let him go his merry way? Seems a part of this story that is important is missing???

"The alleged shooter, Travis Reinking, 29, posed as a customer at a Brentwood BMW dealership on Tuesday, April 17, stole a vehicle key fob from a salesperson, and drove away from the dealership, according to Brentwood Police. At the time, however, police hadn’t identified the person responsible as Reinking. Five days later, he’d show up to a Waffle House with an AR-15, wearing nothing but a green jacket."

He seems to ne adapt at evading the cops! Crazy as a fox. Anyone with expertise on premediated murder and schitzophrenia? He seemed organized enough to commit crimes but also crazy enough to show up naked. Is it an act? Do we know if he is really crazy or extremely intelligent and is playing the part? Is he a psychopath with high IQ?

 

[CARIIS]

Doesn't look sad or remorseful to me.

he has the eyes

a vacancy

saw it all the time

they typically dont get in touch with feelings --that is the hallmark of this cluster of illiness

 

[x_files]

Anyone else notice a pattern of troubled teens, young adults to full grown adults (males) that have many brushes with the law, none of which result in any real consequences and then turn out to become mass shootings or violent criminials?
I'm perplexed at how they can seem to evade any jail time.
Are the parents bailing them out? or LE unable to actually press charges that stick?

 

[x_files]

he has the eyes

a vacancy

saw it all the time

they typically dont get in touch with feelings --that is the hallmark of this cluster of illiness

Agreed. I'd love to know what causes that? Not in reality? shock? Mentally ill or side effects or withdrawals of psych meds or street drugs? Or are they just psychopaths?