TN - Coy Hundley, 38, shot to death, Alcoa, 7 Oct 2003

[Amraann]

4 years?? You raped my childand all I get is 4 years??

Bring it on! I would do it happily knowing that was dead.

And with good behavoir? Could be out when? 2 years?

 

[mysteriew]

4 years?? You raped my childand all I get is 4 years??

Bring it on! I would do it happily knowing that was dead.

And with good behavoir? Could be out when? 2 years?

Well, 4 years is 48 mos. With only serving 1/3 of that, hopefully she will be out in 16 mos. Looks like it would be worth it to me!
Though I still think they should have suspended the sentence on general principal.

 

[Amraann]

But - will you just go kill him without even calling the police? Without even trying to get him jailed? If so - think about the Mc Martin preschool case, and Dale Akiki. Dale was a nice, wonderful man, weird looking, but dedicated to his children. He was arrested after a bunch of them made accusations that he was molesting them in the most horrible ways possible. Not just one child, several. Had you killed him based on that, you'd be wrong, you'd have killed an innocent man. The problem was a psychologist who lead the children, used hypnosis and several other techniques that generated false memories - with the best of intentions on his part, the childrens part, the parent's part, an innocent man was falsely accused, jailed, and tried. At trial, everything came apart - the stories were inconsistient, impossible, and denied by children in the same room as the supposed acts who were not 'helped' by that particular psychologist. Pretty much the same story for McMartin.

I know, all parents believe their children, believe these things happened, especially when more than one child says so, but even if it was only their child. But even without any malice, there can be horrible mistakes, and jumping the gun to go kill someone without even giving the police and the courts a chance is wrong. In this case, it sounds like she probably got the right person, but it isn't a good thing to let go. And sometimes there is malice - misidentifications because the child is too afraid of the molester to name them; divorce cases where a parent uses false accusations to try for better custody or just to hurt the other person, etc.

He probably did it - but we'll never be sure. If the police refused to do anything, then she has no other choice but to take it into her own hands - but that doesn't seem to be the case here.

Details I wanted to say... I don't always believe my children.
I know when they lie ... They really are not good liars.
Would I call the police ?? NO
I would Kill the sorry .
When my sister was 12 a 28 year old friend of my mothers had sex with her.
It was consentual according to him. SCUM Bag WTF??
How does a 12 YO consent? My mother blamed her..
So long story short... Even though the Police were called they did NOTHING!!
They said if my mother chose she could go to the DA..
Nice huh??
The dirt ball later married and had kids and to this day lives free.
Let me tell you I wish I had killed him because there is no doubt he still has "consentual" sex with 12 YO's


And while we are at it this is also why those girls that killed their drunken mother have my sympathy.
Apparently being drunk daily was not enough for DCF to remove my sister.
I will not presume that anyone readily helped them either.

 

[Buzz Mills]

That confuses me, too. Was second degree not offered as an option in the first trial?

Even though they may have the right to try her again, on a lesser charge. If the dead dude, actually did say to the mother, what was testified to; the "What are you going to f---ing do about it", then they should find her "Not Guilty"--time for some of the idiots that are loose from the prison system, to recognize that we aren't going to accept their "tough" attitudes anymore. All we need to do is set a few good examples with these verdicts, and we can send out a pretty strong message.

Did you see the martial arts storekeeper guy who took out the robber the other night. Glad the robber only had a knife. That storekeeper has my vote--might he be prosecuted for using unnecessary, excessive force. If he would have ended up killing the robber, it would have been OK with me.

think I'll change my nick to VigilanteBuzz--I'm developing an attitude.

 

[Details]

Details I wanted to say... I don't always believe my children.
I know when they lie ... They really are not good liars.
Would I call the police ?? NO
I would Kill the sorry .
When my sister was 12 a 28 year old friend of my mothers had sex with her.
It was consentual according to him. SCUM Bag WTF??
How does a 12 YO consent? My mother blamed her..
So long story short... Even though the Police were called they did NOTHING!!
They said if my mother chose she could go to the DA..
Nice huh??
The dirt ball later married and had kids and to this day lives free.
Let me tell you I wish I had killed him because there is no doubt he still has "consentual" sex with 12 YO's


And while we are at it this is also why those girls that killed their drunken mother have my sympathy.
Apparently being drunk daily was not enough for DCF to remove my sister.
I will not presume that anyone readily helped them either.

I still say, call the police first. If they do nothing, it's different - then all you can do is act on your own. If they investigate, and disprove what your child said - thank goodness you didn't act first. This mother didn't call the police. She just killed him.

The parents in both of the cases I referred to believed their children, and the psychologist. They were wrong. They called the police, the police took it seriously - and found out the truth. Because they called the police, it all ended for the best - there was an investigation, the truth was found, and the innocent were protected - not killed.

 

[mysteriew]

The parents in both of the cases I referred to believed their children, and the psychologist. They were wrong. They called the police, the police took it seriously - and found out the truth. Because they called the police, it all ended for the best - there was an investigation, the truth was found, and the innocent were protected - not killed.

The question is, did they actually disprove the allegations. Child sex abuse is one of the hardest cases to prosecute because child witnesses are often seen as unreliable. Many times those cases are closed as 'not enough evidence to prosecute'. They may believe the child, but don't think they can prove the case in court.

 

[Details]

The question is, did they actually disprove the allegations. Child sex abuse is one of the hardest cases to prosecute because child witnesses are often seen as unreliable. Many times those cases are closed as 'not enough evidence to prosecute'. They may believe the child, but don't think they can prove the case in court.

Yes, they disproved the allegations - completely. What the children said happened was flatly impossible. It was during that time where repressed memories were all the rage, and the therapist at the middle of the case basically used hypnosis with too much suggestion to get the kids to make up stories that they then believed. It was innocent on his side - he thought he was just helping them to remember something. But the stories were flat out impossible. These things happened, according to the kids, while parent volunteers and other adults were in the room where it supposedly happened, pet animals were killed (that are still alive today) in front of their eyes, young baby girls were raped that had no physical signs - etc. Children who were there and did not go to that therapist remembered none of this stuff that the stories said happened in front of everyone.

Yes, it was completely disproven. You can look up the McMartin preschool case, and the Dale Akiki case.

 

[mysteriew]

Yes, they disproved the allegations - completely. What the children said happened was flatly impossible. It was during that time where repressed memories were all the rage, and the therapist at the middle of the case basically used hypnosis with too much suggestion to get the kids to make up stories that they then believed. It was innocent on his side - he thought he was just helping them to remember something. But the stories were flat out impossible. These things happened, according to the kids, while parent volunteers and other adults were in the room where it supposedly happened, pet animals were killed (that are still alive today) in front of their eyes, young baby girls were raped that had no physical signs - etc. Children who were there and did not go to that therapist remembered none of this stuff that the stories said happened in front of everyone.

Yes, it was completely disproven. You can look up the McMartin preschool case, and the Dale Akiki case.

I have heard of the McMartin case. And it is true, those allegations were disproven. But there are also many cases where the prosectution believe the molestation/assault/rape occurred and LE was just unable to get enough evidence to prosecute. And those guys usually go on to assault another kid. They say that the average molester will assault 10 kids before they are caught. And then they may or may not get prosecuted.

 

[Details]

I have heard of the McMartin case. And it is true, those allegations were disproven. But there are also many cases where the prosectution believe the molestation/assault/rape occurred and LE was just unable to get enough evidence to prosecute. And those guys usually go on to assault another kid. They say that the average molester will assault 10 kids before they are caught. And then they may or may not get prosecuted.

Quite true. But there are innocent people accused as well, and I can't see saying that a mother should just go ahead and kill them without even calling the police to let them try to do something, without proof positive. Too many innocent people would be killed, and not to even try LE is just wrong! Acting after LE fails to is a whole other matter, but deciding to jump to killing someone is what I am objecting to.

Dale Akiki was local to San Diego. He was a freakish looking guy, due to birth defects. Dedicated his life to children, probably in part because it wasn't like the world would accept him looking as he did. A real, genuinely great guy, helping out his church and people. He was accused, a lot of people believed it because of his appearance - and he was proven to be innocent (not just not guilty, not lack of evidence - it was another McMartin case). One wrong parent there, and this great guy who has had such a difficult life and still turned out so very giving would be dead now.