GUILTY TN - CT, 9, Rogersville, 4 May 2016 #3

[JeannaT]

I'm sensing that posters have seen video or pictures of Carlie after she was rescued.

Are ALL these opinions of her facial expressions based on what she looked like before the abduction, or are some after?

 

[perfectingpink]

On the evening of Thursday, May 12, two Hawkins County residents, Stuart Franklin and Donnie Lawson, searched their property as instructed by TBI. They found Simpson and Carlie off a trail that is only accessible by 4-wheelers. The two tied up Simpson with a belt and held him at gunpoint until authorities could arrive.

http://www.local8now.com/content/news/Rescuers-of-Carlie-Trent-to-get-reward-money-379447331.html

I'm confused. The video said that one of the men had seen the van, and called the other man who he knew had a gun to go with him, that's when they found GS and CT. One of the men left the barn with CT while the other stayed with GS. They had no cell service and had to go to a house to call 911.

BUT, Carpenter isn't mentioned as being there, or finding the van.... I'm thankful for all 4 of the men that were searching! I don't like when someone tries to get credit for something that didn't happen though.

I don't think Carpenter ever claimed to be there. I think it was rushed reporting. This was posted today.

"My dad called me and said someone shouted, 'We got the girl' and the good Lord above me told me it was my two buddies," Carpenter told WATE.

[video=cnn;us/2016/05/12/carlie-trent-found-tennessee-amber-alert-tbi-mark-gwyn-sot.wztv]http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/12/us/missing-tennessee-girl-found-safe/index.html[/video]

 

[BelleIsle]

http://www.wbir.com/news/local/watch-carlie-trents-reunion-with-her-little-sister/190512694

She looks happy

I'm sensing that posters have seen video or pictures of Carlie after she was rescued.

Are ALL these opinions of her facial expressions based on what she looked like before the abduction, or are some after?

There is a link above. This whole situation makes me sad for her, I do wish the family had kept her away from the media, for now at least, JMHO. Once she is an adult it is her choice if she wants to be photographed or interviewed. The best thing right now would be for the people who found her to donate the reward money to a binding therapy and/or college fund for her and her sister, so that they can escape the cycle of addiction, poverty and neglect.

 

[Mountaingazer]

There is a link above. This whole situation makes me sad for her, I do wish the family had kept her away from the media, for now at least, JMHO. Once she is an adult it is her choice if she wants to be photographed or interviewed. The best thing right now would be for the people who found her to donate the reward money to a binding therapy and/or college fund for her and her sister, so that they can escape the cycle of addiction, poverty and neglect.

I agree! I was so disappointed to see they allowed the media in. I hope social services gives her family some guidance on effectively managing the situation and support in helping her to heal emotionally.

 

[ArianeEmory]

http://www.local8now.com/content/news/Trent-rescuers-I-think-its-the-Lord-leading-us-379295271.html

This video interviews a woman who saw police going by her house. The reporter stated the woman may have tipped the men off to searching that place, but the woman herself isn't on video saying that. Nothing written below this video even mentions the woman.


So much lost when the entire story isn't below the video, and each video must be watched to see what information is in them.

This is sort of what I was getting at when I thought it was weird that the guy giving interviews BEFOREHAND also seems to have been part of the search and/or rescue party that found her. Did more people know what was going on and where they were?

 

[Dee10]

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Good point, that is possibility, but it's that mentality or that ideology in this day and age can be dangerous to them and their children. All the info. was put there in this case. People need to apply common sense not just think/wish "rainbows" to avoid feeling sorry the real victim. Reality people, TBI told it as well as they could legally and IMO couldn't be more clearer.

Just to add, if this 9 yr. old victim was filmed being happy to see her sister after 9 days after being kidnapped...that means what Pretty sure, she is happy to be home regardless of anything!!!! It may take days/weeks/months for things to unravel, so please be patient for the victim's sake not the kidnappers.

 

[1&2&3]

I am curious as to what Carlie was told the week they were gone? How did this mad man explain it to this child? She is old enough to figure something was odd with the way the van was hidden so far away from a road.

What did Carlie think when the stranger approached her, grabbed her, took her hand, or however he got her? This would be terrifying for a child who thinks she is just camping with her uncle! I can't imagine the terror that went through her at that point!
Did she have a suspicion that something was wrong? And then to see men tying her uncle up with a belt and pointing a gun at
him. I sincerely hope she had a gut feeling during the week that the trip was not normal, something was off, she was just too young to figure it out. Assuming she had not been touched by her kidnapper.

Is there a way to charge GS without word getting out that she was sexually abused, if she was. Thinking about it, it is really no ones business, but it is a child's future that lies at stake if the truth becomes known.

She is such an innocent delicate looking child. Living in a small community, fingers will be pointing. I want to protect her!

 

[J4cknsal1y]

Or LE has asked the family not to talk about the specifics of the case anymore (now that she has been found) due to the ongoing investigation, and may have told them speculating or talking to the media about the situation wouldn't be in CT's best interest re charges, prosecution, trial, etc. of GS. This is common IMO once the victim has been found, for the family to go from talking about things to mum as soon as the suspect is in custody. I'm surprised that people would expect the family to speculate and talk to the MSM about his motives now that he's in custody.

This is exactly what I'm thinking, too.

best case scenario: CT was not hurt beyond being taken from her family

more likely probable IMO:

1- LE has advised family to keep details (like motivation, findings from her physical exam, interview findings, etc.,) quiet as it is an ongoing criminal investigation

2- LE is keeping some of those details close to the vest. it could be Possible that LE doesn't want any family to warn or lash out at Gross Gary after finding out just what he did as to not let him know what they know/suspect to see if he'll give more of a confession? Maybe they know what happened would trigger emotions that even if family said they would not provide details to any one else, they may be so angry & hurt by it that they literally cannot stop themselves.

3-family does know, but is choosing to say they don't know because what happened is so painful to even think of that they do not want to have to talk about it (rightfully so) to the public at this time (or ever for that matter).

Look at the Sierra LaMar case, for example. Poor Marlene stayed so strong for Sierra for so so long. Many even speculated about Malene, Sierra's dad, &/or Marlene's (now) ex-husband possibly being involved to some extent, at some point or another, but then we realized, LE had probably given Marlene info that was not released to the public pretty early on, but she had to keep that info to herself because it was (& sadly still is) an ongoing criminal investigation. (Example: see post #1160: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...&p=7754210&highlight=Poor+Marlene#post7754210). (Example see post #546: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...&p=7765000&highlight=Poor+Marlene#post7765000).

Im hoping the family is saying they don't know the motivation because they truly do not know/the worst has been ruled out/disproved. I also hoped in the very beginning GS took Carlie because he thought he needed to rescue her, but that well of hope dried up real quick. I don't feel that smidge of hope that maybe just maybe he hasn't had a chance to act against her in the 9 days he had her hidden. I wish I did, but I just don't. I hope I am 100% wrong here.

All MOO.

 

[J4cknsal1y]

Or LE has asked the family not to talk about the specifics of the case anymore (now that she has been found) due to the ongoing investigation, and may have told them speculating or talking to the media about the situation wouldn't be in CT's best interest re charges, prosecution, trial, etc. of GS. This is common IMO once the victim has been found, for the family to go from talking about things to mum as soon as the suspect is in custody. I'm surprised that people would expect the family to speculate and talk to the MSM about his motives now that he's in custody.

This is exactly what I'm thinking, too.

best case scenario: CT was not hurt beyond being taken from her family

more likely probable IMO:

1- LE has advised family to keep details (like motivation, findings from her physical exam, interview findings, etc.,) quiet as it is an ongoing criminal investigation

2- LE is keeping some of those details close to the vest. it could be Possible that LE doesn't want any family to warn or lash out at Gross Gary after finding out just what he did as to not let him know what they know/suspect to see if he'll give more of a confession? Maybe they know what happened would trigger emotions that even if family said they would not provide details to any one else, they may be so angry & hurt by it that they literally cannot stop themselves.

3-family does know, but is choosing to say they don't know because what happened is so painful to even think of that they do not want to have to talk about it (rightfully so) to the public at this time (or ever for that matter).

Look at the Sierra LaMar case, for example. Poor Marlene stayed so strong for Sierra for so so long. Many even speculated about Malene, Sierra's dad, &/or Marlene's (now) ex-husband possibly being involved to some extent, at some point or another, but then we realized, LE had probably given Marlene info that was not released to the public pretty early on, but she had to keep that info to herself because it was (& sadly still is) an ongoing criminal investigation. (Example: see post #1160: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...&p=7754210&highlight=Poor+Marlene#post7754210).

Im hoping the family is saying they don't know the motivation because they truly do not know/the worst has been ruled out/disproved. I also hoped in the very beginning GS took Carlie because he thought he needed to rescue her, but that well of hope dried up real quick. I don't feel that smidge of hope that maybe just maybe he hasn't had a chance to act against her in the 9 days he had her hidden. I wish I did, but I just don't. I hope I am 100% wrong here.

All MOO.

 

[krig101]

I am curious as to what Carlie was told the week they were gone? How did this mad man explain it to this child? She is old enough to figure something was odd with the way the van was hidden so far away from a road.

What did Carlie think when the stranger approached her, grabbed her, took her hand, or however he got her? This would be terrifying for a child who thinks she is just camping with her uncle! I can't imagine the terror that went through her at that point!
Did she have a suspicion that something was wrong? And then to see men tying her uncle up with a belt and pointing a gun at
him. I sincerely hope she had a gut feeling during the week that the trip was not normal, something was off, she was just too young to figure it out. Assuming she had not been touched by her kidnapper.

Is there a way to charge GS without word getting out that she was sexually abused, if she was. Thinking about it, it is really no ones business, but it is a child's future that lies at stake if the truth becomes known.

She is such an innocent delicate looking child. Living in a small community, fingers will be pointing. I want to protect her!

http://www.wbir.com/mb/news/crime/carlie-found/187622318

In the interview it says that CT seemed glad to see the rescuers so I definitely think she knew something was wrong.

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[Twistinginthewind]

I'm sensing that posters have seen video or pictures of Carlie after she was rescued.

Are ALL these opinions of her facial expressions based on what she looked like before the abduction, or are some after?

I can't speak for mpnola, but in looking at videos of her before, during, and after her abduction (one of her at home before her abduction, one at the Save-a-Lot after he had taken her from school but before going into hiding, and then today back home playing with her sister), I have to agree that she looks like she is putting on a brave face for the camera, and like she wants anyone scrutinizing her to see she is fine and to go away and leave her alone. It's a very subjective, intuitive kind of feeling that maybe has no place on this type of forum, but her sad and knowing/troubled eyes to me seem to be just barely able to hide behind her smile and acting like she is "okay" or "fine", JMO. I hope she is just playing along with LE and family who said if she could handle it, it would be better for her and all to act like everything was okay for now, while they continue to gather evidence and testimony on GS's heinous crimes and get everything in order to fully cook his goose.

 

[shana]

If/when this case moves to trial, CT will be the key/star witness - no matter in what format her testimony might be presented.

I find it odd that LE apparently did not instruct the family to keep her away from cameras, even if only to preserve its case. I realize so doing could not be mandated, but still...

I watched the video at the linked article referenced below(1) several times today. Each time I reloaded the page, the footage was different and showed more of CT and her spoken words as well. In all, there was a lot, including not just visuals of her younger sister but also words from her too.

The GOOD news is that CT looks fine (and yes, I realize that is not all-telling, but I've never seen this before in any similar case).

I'm just not understanding why this display was done on the very afternoon she had been released from the hospital and met-up with her aunt (Gary's wife).

Your thoughts, please. TIA.

(1) http://www.wbir.com/news/local/watch-carlie-trents-reunion-with-her-little-sister/190512694

 

[LinasK]

Having a hard time quoting the post I want to quote- it just keeps spinning and hanging up- so let me just say that I think it's more likely than not that she was sexually abused,so here on out I will refer to C by her initial, but I refuse to use Gary Simpson's initials. That pig deserves to be called out!!!

 

[JanetElaine]

I have a hard time catching up, may I ask a question before I respond - did the family invite the press over to take pictures/video of CT, or did the press 'camp out' and shoot their footage wherever they could get it without being invited or specifically allowed by CT's family?

 

[Twistinginthewind]

This is exactly what I'm thinking, too.

best case scenario: CT was not hurt beyond being taken from her family

more likely probable IMO:

1- LE has advised family to keep details (like motivation, findings from her physical exam, interview findings, etc.,) quiet as it is an ongoing criminal investigation

2- LE is keeping some of those details close to the vest. it could be Possible that LE doesn't want any family to warn or lash out at Gross Gary after finding out just what he did as to not let him know what they know/suspect to see if he'll give more of a confession? Maybe they know what happened would trigger emotions that even if family said they would not provide details to any one else, they may be so angry & hurt by it that they literally cannot stop themselves.

3-family does know, but is choosing to say they don't know because what happened is so painful to even think of that they do not want to have to talk about it (rightfully so) to the public at this time (or ever for that matter).

Look at the Sierra LaMar case, for example. Poor Marlene stayed so strong for Sierra for so so long. Many even speculated about Malene, Sierra's dad, &/or Marlene's (now) ex-husband possibly being involved to some extent, at some point or another, but then we realized, LE had probably given Marlene info that was not released to the public pretty early on, but she had to keep that info to herself because it was (& sadly still is) an ongoing criminal investigation. (Example: see post #1160: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...&p=7754210&highlight=Poor+Marlene#post7754210).

Im hoping the family is saying they don't know the motivation because they truly do not know/the worst has been ruled out/disproved. I also hoped in the very beginning GS took Carlie because he thought he needed to rescue her, but that well of hope dried up real quick. I don't feel that smidge of hope that maybe just maybe he hasn't had a chance to act against her in the 9 days he had her hidden. I wish I did, but I just don't. I hope I am 100% wrong here.

All MOO.

Thanks, I agree wholeheartedly with your MOOs. I am also confident LE has taken into account CT's and family's capabilities and CT's best interests in how to prosecute GS. So however they've decided to handle or spin it is the best approach for now, and "what really happened" is for another day as far as the public and media are concerned or entitled to.

This is CT's personal life and recovery from her own trauma and she is a young child, and this is LE's only opportunity to "do the right thing" as they are setting up the case against GS, so I am totally fine with LE and family spinning and playing with the public's perception of things in as many ways as they can if that will benefit poor CT in any way, shape, or form in the long run.

I feel bad her dad even had to ask the MSM to give her some privacy to get back to her life (after she's just home within 24 hours of being rescued from an 8-day kidnapping ordeal)....

 

[shana]

I have a hard time catching up, may I ask a question before I respond - did the family invite the press over to take pictures/video of CT, or did the press 'camp out' and shoot their footage wherever they could get it without being invited or specifically allowed by CT's family?

I wondered the same, at first. But the footage was not shot from afar, it was up close and personal, with interviews to accompany it.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

I have a hard time catching up, may I ask a question before I respond - did the family invite the press over to take pictures/video of CT, or did the press 'camp out' and shoot their footage wherever they could get it without being invited or specifically allowed by CT's family?

I'm not 100% sure, but I read today (Friday) somewhere online that the press and their camera people were camped out in front of CT's home, and when she did finally come home from the hospital, they ran their cameras unasked by the family and were shouting questions, until CT's dad asked them for privacy.... so just guessing they were not invited but maybe the family tolerated them for a bit, and that is when they got the footage.

 

[kaen]

I was sad to see the video of C. playing today. There is so much we don't know about her. Is she a people pleaser? Would she be assertive to say that she does not want to talk about the ordeal or no?

She has just had a scary event happen to her. Lies. being out in the woods so close but so far away from her life, and whatever else. She is probably experiencing a mixture of emotions. Will she feel good today, have nightmares tonight? Will she feel good for two years and lose it when it is time to go away to camp? None of us know. I hope she is getting help even if seems like she is doing great--playing and back to business as usual. When I worked with rape survivors, many would keep saying there were okay and they would power on through. Trigger events would wreck them. Other survivors are a mess at first and slowly build back toward stable and their norm. We just don't know. I hope her parents are getting counseling advice based on her history, the incident, and her developmental age.

 

[mpnola]

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The GOOD news is that CT looks fine (and yes, I realize that is not all-telling, but I've never seen this before in any similar case).
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snipped by me- not directing this at you, but just wanted to give a tiny bit of insight to cases where a victim seems "fine".

Sweet AH- name redacted because she was 14 when she went missing. By the way, as I found out with a google search, her name is redacted no where but here, so I don't think CTs name still being published means a thing!!! Anyway, AH returned home after 9 months. People instantly said she looked healthy and well.

"Thank you guys, so, so much. I really appreciate it more than I could possibly put into words," she said, according to the paper, which added that she "appeared relaxed and composed as any teenage girl" despite her ordeal.
http://www.people.com/article/abigail-hernandez-missing-teen-speaks-out

Except they released (far too late, if you ask me- this girl deserved compassion and support and understanding of her life of hell from the beginning of her return!) HORRIFIC details of what she endured during her captivity. It seems almost impossible that the photos of her in the couple of days after her return would have shown such a well and normal looking girl! I will link her thread. If you have a weak stomach, I do not suggest you read the details. If you can handle it, then go ahead and take a small peek at what this "relaxed and composed as any teen" girl went through.

While she was gone and even when she returned, I wasn't sure what happened. I was open to most anything. And the most horrible of horrible things happened to her! In CT case, we already know she was kidnapped by someone horrible. I do not think it is fair to judge her moment with her sister as her not having been harmed. She was harmed. Deeply and forever harmed. I hope she can find the strength to love herself through her life. Abuse victims always struggle with that.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?252716-NH-AH-14-North-Conway-9-October-2013-15

 

[apabld]

At the start of this whole ordeal, I was hopeful that GS had good intentions for taking her, but after the days passed and the information that we got came to light, it's becoming more and more likely (probably almost certain at this point) that this was not the case.

I wish Carlie and her family well and hope she can return to living as best as possible.