Found Deceased TN - Eliza "Liza" Fletcher, 34, Abducted while jogging 4:30 am, forced into SUV, Central Ave near Univ of M, personal items found, Memphis 2 Sept 2022

[Herat]

All those sprays are only good if you are actually holding the cannister with your finger on the spray so you know exactly where it will spray.

There would not be anywhere near enough time to even remove one from a pocket, look at it in the nightime dark at 4:20 in Memphis this morning, and make sure you know where the nozzle is going and then spray it unless you were stationary and awaiting an attack, IHMO.

I've tried to do that in concealed carry training and I ended up spraying myself almost every time.

This is the pepper spray I have. You can have it in your pocket but once you bring it out it does look like a firearm, so you are supposed to warn the person that you are going to spray them, to be legal using it. (Really).

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[Charlot123]

Lol I know, it's very weird. You have an abduction literally captured on camera, and you're towing a vehicle from the victim's home.

As I said before, I'm skeptical of the official narrative. Add this to the list of reasons why.

The shears? This is interesting.

 

[Deleted member 718]

The Heavy.com article is updated with info about a black SUV stolen between midnight and 3. The owner thinks it's the SUV in the police photos. Maybe...

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"A woman wrote on the Fox 13 television station’s Facebook comment thread on the case that her sister drove a similar vehicle that was stolen between midnight and 3 a.m. on the morning in question. It’s not clear whether it’s the same vehicle, though, although the comment writer believes it was."

 

[Charlot123]

Abduction for ransom seems to be super rare these days, as it's almost impossible to get away with. It does occur of course, but it tends to involve people who won't go to the police (gang members, and other criminal organizations).

So, are you thinking what I am thinking now? Not an abduction in an unsafe area, not gangsters, but a special sort of “white collar crime”, for the lack of a better term for today?

 

[Herat]

I'm going to guess she felt safe because it's not really that far from her home, there are houses around, and it's a main street.

All reasonable assumptions, but in this day and age at 4:20 am, not places to let your guard down.

 

[mickey2942]

Memphis police are looking for a schoolteacher who was abducted while out for an early morning jog | CNN

Memphis Police are searching for schoolteacher Eliza 'Liza' Fletcher who they say was abducted while she was out on a jog Friday morning.

www.cnn.com

Here we go again, women are not safe out jogging. I hate every one of these cases. I have been part of "Take Back the Night" for over 40 years...and nothing has changed.

 

[kccorona]

The Heavy.com article is updated with info about a black SUV stolen between midnight and 3. The owner thinks it's the SUV in the police photos. Maybe...

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"A woman wrote on the Fox 13 television station’s Facebook comment thread on the case that her sister drove a similar vehicle that was stolen between midnight and 3 a.m. on the morning in question. It’s not clear whether it’s the same vehicle, though, although the comment writer believes it was."

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Ok I think those head/tail lights look a LOT like those in the suspect vehicle.

 

[Charlot123]

Absolutely agree on the vehicle. Those telematics can tell you a lot, as we've seen in past cases.

I have no theory on the garden shears.

Garden shears: 1) blood; 2) DNA; 3) what tree/bush they were last used on, and where does it grow?

 

[BrownRice]

Memphis police are looking for a schoolteacher who was abducted while out for an early morning jog | CNN

Memphis Police are searching for schoolteacher Eliza 'Liza' Fletcher who they say was abducted while she was out on a jog Friday morning.

www.cnn.com

Here we go again, women are not safe out jogging. I hate every one of these cases. I have been part of "Take Back the Night" for over 40 years...and nothing has changed.

Yep. Those are fun for toddlers to sit in fire trucks, but have no impact on reducing crime.

 

[kccorona]

Theory about garden shears (with no scientific basis, just my own opinion)- could they perhaps be something that Liza used recently, like in the last few days; and potentially contain her prints or maybe even blood from a cut sustained while gardening? Obviously easier ways to obtain DNA but wondering if there’s a specific reason these were taken.

 

[otto]

They’re likely towing the vehicle so they can look at the computer and see where she’s been recently. Not sure about the garden shears, but maybe for fingerprints / DNA. Or maybe they have a gardner that didn’t show up to work today?

Maybe the husband noticed that the garden sheers had been moved?

If this was premeditated, and the suspect knew her jogging route in advance, then he knew where she lived. It's possible that police are looking for evidence that he was at the house - invited or otherwise.

 

[Deleted member 718]

ABC World News Tonight just ran her story.

 

[otto]

The Heavy.com article is updated with info about a black SUV stolen between midnight and 3. The owner thinks it's the SUV in the police photos. Maybe...

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heavy.com

"A woman wrote on the Fox 13 television station’s Facebook comment thread on the case that her sister drove a similar vehicle that was stolen between midnight and 3 a.m. on the morning in question. It’s not clear whether it’s the same vehicle, though, although the comment writer believes it was."

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Pre-meditated, with a vehicle stolen up to 4 hours before she was abducted.

 

[osu]

Thoughts on the large police presence outside of the Fletcher home? Is their home being used as a staging area? TIA

https://twitter.com/x/status/1565819959892115456

 

[Arkay]

Just saw this case online and have now caught up with the thread.

I don't have FB or Twitter and I don't know what's being said there. From reading the thread now, I THINK that I think this is a legit abduction. It's captured on video, I know.

I do have Sherri Papini blinking in my head, and I'm unsure of why something is being investigated at Eliza's own home, but so far I think it's an actual abduction.

Praying for her safe return.

 

[MassGuy]

Garden shears: 1) blood; 2) DNA; 3) what tree/bush they were last used on, and where does it grow?

I just don't see how that can help you though. Whose DNA? She's abducted by someone driving a black SUV in the early morning hours. How would garden shears at her own home help?

 

[Herat]

Ok I think those head/tail lights look a LOT like those in the suspect vehicle.

My gut feeling is that the Merc has a shorter wheelbase that I thought I saw in photograph.

My impression was it was more the length of a Durango

 

[idrinkandknowthings]

maybe even blood from a cut sustained while gardening? Obviously easier ways to obtain DNA but wondering if there’s a specific reason these were taken.

That’s what I’m thinking.

I imagine the convo went something like this:

Investigator: Does she have anything with DNA on it that she’s used recently?
Mr. Fletcher: Yeah, she cut herself on the garden shears yesterday. I had to get her a bandage.
Investigator: Can we take it as evidence?
Mr. Fletcher: Sure.

 

[Marysmith]

Pre-meditated, with a vehicle stolen up to 4 hours before she was abducted.

Wow.

 

[Herat]

I just don't see how that can help you though. Whose DNA? She's abducted by someone driving a black SUV in the early morning hours. How would garden shears at her own home help?

Something in the area looked like branches had been freshly clipped, and it was unusual?