Found Deceased TN - Evelyn Boswell, 15 months, Sullivan County, 26 DEC 2019 *MOM ARRESTED* #3

[steff13]

A broken bone in a small child is not in itself a sign of abuse, but I’d call it a soft marker. Along with other markers, like black eyes and UTIs, it might add up to something concerning. One of my kids fractured her leg when she was 2 - a “toddler fracture”, caused by landing in a twist after falling off the bed - and I was fully prepared to be checked out by hospital services (I wasn’t, but I would have understood if someone had talked to me)

It's largely dependent on the age of the child, too. A 2 or 3 year old is very mobile and accident prone. A 15-month-old child like Evelyn won't have been very mobile for the majority of her life, which makes it more concerning, IMO.

 

[PickleMtn]

I haven't had a chance to post on this case yet because the thread is going so fast. I can't help but think that when MB hears about "Evelyn's Law" she will think, "Oh how sweet." No you dumbass...it's because you did not do the minimum to find your child.

I don't know how much this adds to the sleuthing, but my veteran youth psychologist mother said MB came across to her in interviews as someone who was suffering trauma-related DID or something similar. I mean, considering AB's criminal history, it seems plausible.

NOT excusing anyone's behavior here. It would just explain her seemingly blithe deception of all comers and seeming lack of concern or deep grief.

 

[Juber]

Could they be draining the pond?

No idea, just a thought, but it’s sometimes done. That pond is very murky.

That seems like a fairly drastic move with, what seems to me, little LE presence.

Hoping this is a follow up to another routine lead. I did not get a sense of urgency from the little amount of live feed I saw.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I don't understand how putting that long tube/hose thing in the water works to find anything. I mean, I'm sure they know what they're doing, I just don't understand it.

I'm not watching. I just cant do it.

However they may be using the hose to drain water from the pond or they often use hoses to disturb the bottom for what may be submerged below so it may rise to the top or can be found easier by the divers.

Just guessing since I'm not watching, but I've seen searches like this using hoses for those who have drowned in my area.

Jmho

 

[ardean]

Come kind of rope or cable, I think.

That fire department deals with northern lake norman and they may be using a ROV. It was yellow on that long cord and it sank when they started using it. This article talks about a "Fish" in relation to their ROV
Sherrills Ford-Terrell Fire Department operating new tow fish for safer water recovery missions

 

[pepper 34]

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[Mountain_Kat]

But hwr


but why did they not find it odd considering she has absolutely zero money. How’d she come to have a car to “gift “

I personally don't think anyone involved thought it was an actual gift, as in here's something for nothing.

I do, however, think AB thought the car belonged to HW .

 

[Juber]

I don't know how much this adds to the sleuthing, but my veteran youth psychologist mother said MB came across to her in interviews as someone who was suffering trauma-related DID or something similar. I mean, considering AB's criminal history, it seems plausible.

NOT excusing anyone's behavior here. It would just explain her seemingly blithe deception of all comers and seeming lack of concern or deep grief.

Having no professional training but having relatives in a life similar to what I see with this family, I believe, in these cases, actions are based on a perceived lack of options and witness of life cycles that confirm a sense of hopelessness.

Edit: Just to add that the above statement is not an excuse for poor choices. We all have the ability to choose right over wrong, in my opinion.

 

[TTF14]

Could they be draining the pond?

No idea, just a thought, but it’s sometimes done. That pond is very murky.

Someone earlier in the thread said this is how they dredge a pond to look for things on the bottom. Maybe I'll have to find a youtube tutorial.

 

[Wishbone]

No , no ,no - my now 22 yr old DD was sitting next to me at the kitchen table ( age 3 ) colouring in , misjudged her footing down , result was a broken arm . An accident and just that , so I'm reserving judgement on any wee one with a break on their young bones .

You dd is 3, right beside you and not being searched for in a pond.....Evelyn was barely a year, if Evelyn's arm is proved to have been broken and she was the victim of foul play, I stand by my opinion.

 

[Kankan]

It's largely dependent on the age of the child, too. A 2 or 3 year old is very mobile and accident prone. A 15-month-old child like Evelyn won't have been very mobile for the majority of her life, which makes it more concerning, IMO.

My kids were walking at 9 months and climbing on chairs/ doing stairs/toddler play equipment and more by 15 months. A broken arm in and of itself is not suspicious to me. It happens all the time.
Now a broken arm with all this other mess...yeah it’s concerning.

 

[Juber]

You dd is 3, right beside you and not being searched for in a pond.....Evelyn was barely a year, if Evelyn's arm is proved to have been broken and she was the victim of foul play, I stand by my opinion.

I can appreciate the suspicion in this case but a broken arm is not that uncommon for a child. That is not to discount your theory but to offer a reasonable alternative.

 

[auggieandchip]

If she is found in the pond, it'll be easy enough for the coroner to determine whether or not she died by drowning.

Depends on decomp. And then my thoughts go to not all drownings are accidental. MOO

 

[Kitsey]

My kids were walking at 9 months and climbing on chairs/ doing stairs/toddler play equipment and more by 15 months. A broken arm in and of itself is not suspicious to me. It happens all the time.
Now a broken arm with all this other mess...yeah it’s concerning.

Exactly this.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

My kids were walking at 9 months and climbing on chairs/ doing stairs/toddler play equipment and more by 15 months. A broken arm in and of itself is not suspicious to me. It happens all the time.

Correct, but, considering the totality of the events surrounding this case the broken arm is suspicious.
jmo

 

[Kankan]

I would caution anyone to try to compare their lives or their particular details to this case. In the end, you will realize very quickly how you can not relate to any of the players at all. The same thing happened when there were personal comparisons in Caylee's case, in the end, no one could relate to anyone in that case.

Definitely not trying to compare my life to this hot mess of a train wreck. Haha I’m giving my opinion that all broken arms on smaller children are not rare or cause for suspicion. I think that’s fair. My kids never had broken bones but it could have happened.

I would caution that people might not want to make big generalizations about All children/toddlers. IMO it’s not the (maybe) broken arm of Evelyn that makes this case so awful but all the details and history in combination with the broken arm that are heartbreaking.

 

[Wishbone]

I don't understand how putting that long tube/hose thing in the water works to find anything. I mean, I'm sure they know what they're doing, I just don't understand it.

side scan sonar used to search underwater

 

[MyBelle]

What's a money shot?

it's a scene captured by the camera that justifies the money spent trying to capture it. 'Copters and their pilots don't come cheap.

JMO

I don't know how much this adds to the sleuthing, but my veteran youth psychologist mother said MB came across to her in interviews as someone who was suffering trauma-related DID or something similar. I mean, considering AB's criminal history, it seems plausible.

NOT excusing anyone's behavior here. It would just explain her seemingly blithe deception of all comers and seeming lack of concern or deep grief.

It's not an excuse, it is an explanation. Susan Smith had a similar disruptive and traumatic childhood and I think that is why she wasn't given the death penalty.

JMO

 

[Weeobanite]

At first I thought it was a divers umbilical but the pond won’t be deep enough to need one. If divers were in they’d be scuba divers. I think it’s an ROV, it’ll have cameras, lights and maybe radar to scan the pond.

ETA in reply to TTF14 ( I keep forgetting to quote, sorry)


I don't understand how putting that long tube/hose thing in the water works to find anything. I mean, I'm sure they know what they're doing, I just don't understand it.

 

[Gardenkeep]

A broken bone in a small child is not in itself a sign of abuse, but I’d call it a soft marker. Along with other markers, like black eyes and UTIs, it might add up to something concerning. One of my kids fractured her leg when she was 2 - a “toddler fracture”, caused by landing in a twist after falling off the bed - and I was fully prepared to be checked out by hospital services (I wasn’t, but I would have understood if someone had talked to me)

The nature (location/type) of the fracture is a tell. The fall off the bed is actually more common than you would think. I saw that more than once in my 30 yrs. I didn't regard this as a possible abuse sign in of itself. If it were suspect, a body gram would have been ordered to see if there was evidence of old fractures. At least in my experience. It may be different in other hospitals. I saw my share; more than I care to remember.

So now, they're searching a pond. I don't know which thing to feel first; anger or grief. So, I'm feeling both at this point.