Found Deceased TN - Evelyn Boswell, 15 months, Sullivan County, 26 DEC 2019 *MOM ARRESTED* #5

[brooks]

Is the FBI taking the lead on finding EB? I wish they would; I lost all confidence in the TBI with Holly Bobo.

 

[Juber]

Is the FBI taking the lead on finding EB? I wish they would; I lost all confidence in the TBI with Holly Bobo.

There is a new TBI director.

The current FBI does not give much confidence.

 

[Wishbone]

So then the family, friends and associates are not helpful, the local LE is lacking, and no confidence in TBI or FBI. So sorry Evelyn.

 

[Leader6518]

I’m almost past the accidental death scenario at this point. IMO any loving mother or grandmother who loses a child to an accident of any kind really would be too devastated to care about lying so elaborately and for so long. I mean if my child died whether due to bad decisions on my part or just bad luck, I wouldn’t care if I were in prison the rest of my life or not because I would be dead inside. Why would it even matter?

Only a sociopath who just doesn’t feel the loss would cover up an accident. I guess that’s totally possible, but IMO it’s more likely to be an non-accidental death prompting such a cover up. And definitely a sociopath. All MOO!

I agree. I keep going back to MB’s statement about EB pulling her hair and saying she wasn’t mean. Clearly, MB was speaking to her own thoughts as no one would attribute a missing baby as being mean.
Innocent parents of missing children will describe them in a positive way IMO.

I believe that statement is at the heart of why baby EB is no where to be found and mommy dearest doesn’t want her found.

 

[justaparent]

If she was indeed couch surfing, it could be that EB was not with her on a regular basis (if all) for the past few months.

Very possible. The truth of EB’s disappearance sits at the center of a huge bundle of lies. And there’s no reason for that if EB is safe.

MOO

 

[ChopperRN]

Everyone is failing little Evelyn :-(

 

[SA55]

For those of you out of the area - the devastating Nashville tornadoes were about 4 hours away from the Baby Evelyn disappearance area in NE TN. We did have some strong storms roll through this area last night, but no damage that I'm aware.
I've sat on my hands during most of this discussion - and probably will wish I still had when all the comments commence over my thoughts.
I'm playing devils' advocate here, so bear with me. So many comments on MB's smirking expressions during camera time - I in no way think she's innocent of this beautiful baby's disappearance - however, I don't see the "smirk" as almost everyone is commenting on. I think it's more a nervous reaction. During her court appearance, I thought she was close to tears. I could so easily be wrong - I've flip flopped so many times during the 2 weeks this has been first reported.
I have watched coverage of the tornadoes this morning, both the people being interviewed and the reporters. Amazing how many are smiling and actually laughing during this disaster. I think often that's a reaction that's common but in direct opposition of what someone is truly feeling. There is no way I would judge them and think they're truly heartless (regarding the tornadoes) . But there they are on camera smiling and laughing.
So many are being critical of the investigation - I believe all of LE knows much more than we're being told. Although I am curious, I have no right to demand details, those should be held close to LE so they can effectively investigate. I have to believe they know more than we're being told.
When Casey made a statement regarding it appeared some of the family had seemed aggravated over the searches, I'm wondering if that wasn't TB Sr, and IF ( big IF) he's truly innocent in Baby Evelyn's disappearance if he isn't just helplessly frustrated over his granddaughter being missing and didn't expect the revelation of his and all his family's past legal issues. Maybe to him - he actually thought or hoped if he inquired and reported the missing child, they would get help and the baby would quickly be found and accounted for. His concern may be truly over a missing granddaughter, but the community is crucifying him all over again for past crimes he's committed.
Let me emphasize - I do think Baby Evelyn's family knows exactly where she is and I don't fully believe any of them.
I can only hope Baby Evelyn is somewhere with a loving family - far away from all this madness. We may and we may not ever know what has happened to her. I don't even need the details if indeed she is safe and being loved. Just my hope and prayer that miracles still exist.
I will readily admit, this is the most dysfunctional family, along with in-laws, outlaws and all boyfriends involved that I have heard of that I can remember. A reality check for certain that my "crazy" family as I refer to them - isn't that crazy after all.

 

[Arkay]

I agree. I keep going back to MB’s statement about EB pulling her hair and saying she wasn’t mean. Clearly, MB was speaking to her own thoughts as no one would attribute a missing baby as being mean.
Innocent parents of missing children will describe them in a positive way IMO.

I believe that statement is at the heart of why baby EB is no where to be found and mommy dearest doesn’t want her found.

I agree, it was such a weird way to describe your baby. Who leads with negative stuff about a toddler, particularly one whom she hadn't seen in two months, even if we pretend that MB really knew who had Evelyn?

Every time I hear about a missing child, I flashback to when I couldn't find my daughter for about literally two minutes. She's 38 now with three children, but this happened when she was seven. I was in a shopping mall with a friend and our little girls. I glanced to my right and read a sign that said "DEP shampoo, $1.39." In that fraction of a second, my daughter was gone. I called her name about five times while looking around where we were standing, then it sunk in that I really don't see her, and I started screaming for her, as did my friend. I started running to look in every direction and while screaming and crying, a guy in his 20s or so told me that he had just seen a crying little girl being escorted to a jewelry store right near me. I ran in and she was there, crying, while the clerk was about to call mall security. It emerged that in the instant I read the shampoo sign, my daughter had run behind a kiosk and then accidentally ran in the wrong direction away from us.

That was 31 years ago, lasted two minutes, and I still get nervous thinking about it. If she were really gone, could I even imagine that my first descriptions would include her being mean?

It shakes my brain.

 

[TN Hiker]

Where she moved may help understand why she moved. I am sure I have overlooked, but where did she move?

When LE first made contact with MB, she was at a residence (Sandy Pointe St) listed on the tax assessors website as being owned by "Randy Wood Trustee". One can make the assumption that this is HW's family. There are actually 3 parcels of land listed under the same owner on that same street. All are waterfront properties. Very nice homes.

Though TBsr is also listed as the owner of several properties in Sullivan County, none that I have found so far are equal to that of the homes on Sandy Pointe Street. From MB's POV, there would have been a distinct difference between the world in which she grew up and the world of HW's family. This would intensify her desire to migrate into their world.

We know that HW claimed he never met EB and MB consistantly claimed EB was with EP (where she sustained an apparent fracture to her arm). If we take HW's statement at face value, it is then safe to assume MB was dependent upon others to care for EB while she surfed couches (primarily HW's since this is the same period of time in which they were dating).

DJ stated that AB was living with him. DJ also stated that MB did not bring EB to see them. Based on that, it's safe to assume that AB was not watching EB for MB (at least not during the time she was living with DJ).

So...who was watching EB?

LE initially used information from the babysitter to establish December 10th or 11th as the last credible sighting of EB. Not sure if that changed since then. We know that the identity of the babysitter has not been released. There is speculation that the babysitter is a minor which would explain withholding their name.

If we choose to move forward with that assumption, possible minors available for babysitting would be MB's younger siblings. MB's younger siblings reside with TBsr on the Muddy Creek compound.

TBsr changed his attitude toward media after: - AB's release from jail
- MB's statement during an interview, encouraging people to look for EB but not to "trespass"

Following that line of swirling logic (welcome to my brain), is it plausible that something happened to EB at the Muddy Creek compound... MB turned to AB for help... AB agreed in return for hush money (BMW). TBsr was clueless until AB made contact with TBsr (after her release) and conveyed information regarding evidence which could be located on his property?

Thoughts?

 

[pepper 34]

I suspect that when the whole story comes out, not one of us will feel empathy for MB.

Listen, MANY of us came from horrific families...dysfunction, substance addictions , emotional and physical abuse, etc. MOST of us don't lie and steal and "misplace " our children. At some point, we learn that our lives are a direct result of our own decisions and that playing the victim doesn't give us a get out of jail free card when we DO make rotten decisions. MB not only chose not to learn that lesson, she chooses to exploit her victimhood .

She plays people like a fiddle, imo. And the more people who dance to it, the louder she plays.

I started to share my own personal story of growing up with two very dysfunctional alcoholic parents , but decided not to waste the space.

I do wonder how many of us are confusing clever manipulation with immaturity, though. AB plays the victim when her decisions result in something she doesn't like (her situation with all of her children for example) and MB does the same. Is it learned behavior, yes ? And it's reinforced by every single friend and family member who buys into it. The manipulation is a goldmine for never having to accept responsibility for the choices you make.

I see it for exactly what it is, because I've been there done that in my own life (though many many lifetimes ago).

All just MOO, of course.

So, true... and I'm especially apt to dance to various fiddle tunes... and have been burned many times doing it, too. I have been hoping that, if MB is responsible for something that might have happened to Evelyn, to please let it not be something that was planned and carried out. If an accident happened I would be more sympathetic. But, it will be very easy to stuff the empathy into the garbage can if MB purposely murdered Evelyn. My empathy is there because I don't know what's happened, iow.

But, I don't blame people who don't rise above their earlier position in life. I believe some people can't rise above where they came from. The "equipment" necessary to do so, just isn't in them. Everyone has their own genetic personality traits, upbringings and unique circumstances they deal with from the day they're born, so people aren't dealing with a level playing field to begin with, imo. When someone succeeds and many do; it's wonderful. When someone doesn't; it's sad but inevitable for many people who may have even tried very hard and failed.
JMO

I started to share my own personal story of growing up with two very dysfunctional alcoholic parents , but decided not to waste the space.

I do wonder how many of us are confusing clever manipulation with immaturity, though. AB plays the victim when her decisions result in something she doesn't like (her situation with all of her children for example) and MB does the same. Is it learned behavior, yes ? And it's reinforced by every single friend and family member who buys into it. The manipulation is a goldmine for never having to accept responsibility for the choices you make.

I see it for exactly what it is, because I've been there done that in my own life (though many many lifetimes ago).

All just MOO, of course.

Yes, I wonder the same thing. Sometimes people can appear very sincere and later we'll find out that they are people who have learned all they can about and practiced the hardest by studying other's traits and then copied those traits. Sincerity seems to clash loudly with most of what MB has actually said. Because I don't believe in MB's sincerity... many of the things she's said make it hard to believe she's not manipulating other people. Why else appear sincere and yet, be proved to lie constantly and her lying, at the very least, is being used in an attempt to manipulate people into believing her false words. Impossible combination! imo.
JMO.

 

[hdo82]

I agree, it was such a weird way to describe your baby. Who leads with negative stuff about a toddler, particularly one whom she hadn't seen in two months, even if we pretend that MB really knew who had Evelyn?

Every time I hear about a missing child, I flashback to when I couldn't find my daughter for about literally two minutes. She's 38 now with three children, but this happened when she was seven. I was in a shopping mall with a friend and our little girls. I glanced to my right and read a sign that said "DEP shampoo, $1.39." In that fraction of a second, my daughter was gone. I called her name about five times while looking around where we were standing, then it sunk in that I really don't see her, and I started screaming for her, as did my friend. I started running to look in every direction and while screaming and crying, a guy in his 20s or so told me that he had just seen a crying little girl being escorted to a jewelry store right near me. I ran in and she was there, crying, while the clerk was about to call mall security. It emerged that in the instant I read the shampoo sign, my daughter had run behind a kiosk and then accidentally ran in the wrong direction away from us.

That was 31 years ago, lasted two minutes, and I still get nervous thinking about it. If she were really gone, could I even imagine that my first descriptions would include her being mean?

It shakes my brain.

I mentioned before that maybe she used to scold or punish or do worse to Evelyn for the hairpulling and now regrets it... why bring that up unless in fact at some point she actually thought that Evelyn was being mean pulling her hair.... like her saying her life wasn't ruined by having her, I believe she did feel that her life was ruined. I believe the opposite of everything that MB claims!

 

[squareandrabbet]

When LE first made contact with MB, she was at a residence (Sandy Pointe St) listed on the tax assessors website as being owned by "Randy Wood Trustee". One can make the assumption that this is HW's family. There are actually 3 parcels of land listed under the same owner on that same street. All are waterfront properties. Very nice homes.

Though TBsr is also listed as the owner of several properties in Sullivan County, none that I have found so far are equal to that of the homes on Sandy Pointe Street. From MB's POV, there would have been a distinct difference between the world in which she grew up and the world of HW's family. This would intensify her desire to migrate into their world.

We know that HW claimed he never met EB and MB consistantly claimed EB was with EP (where she sustained an apparent fracture to her arm). If we take HW's statement at face value, it is then safe to assume MB was dependent upon others to care for EB while she surfed couches (primarily HW's since this is the same period of time in which they were dating).

DJ stated that AB was living with him. DJ also stated that MB did not bring EB to see them. Based on that, it's safe to assume that AB was not watching EB for MB (at least not during the time she was living with DJ).

So...who was watching EB?

LE initially used information from the babysitter to establish December 10th or 11th as the last credible sighting of EB. Not sure if that changed since then. We know that the identity of the babysitter has not been released. There is speculation that the babysitter is a minor which would explain withholding their name.

If we choose to move forward with that assumption, possible minors available for babysitting would be MB's younger siblings. MB's younger siblings reside with TBsr on the Muddy Creek compound.

TBsr changed his attitude toward media after: - AB's release from jail
- MB's statement during an interview, encouraging people to look for EB but not to "trespass"

Following that line of swirling logic (welcome to my brain), is it plausible that something happened to EB at the Muddy Creek compound... MB turned to AB for help... AB agreed in return for hush money (BMW). TBsr was clueless until AB made contact with TBsr (after her release) and conveyed information regarding evidence which could be located on his property?

Thoughts?

She said "don't trespass" ?!?!?!

The only acceptable tie-in for that, to me, would be if it's an overwhelming county tendency that people shoot trespassers first and ask questions later.

Otherwise, who cares where somebody goes when YOUR baby's life and safety is at stake?!?

For those of you out of the area - the devastating Nashville tornadoes were about 4 hours away from the Baby Evelyn disappearance area in NE TN. We did have some strong storms roll through this area last night, but no damage that I'm aware.
I've sat on my hands during most of this discussion - and probably will wish I still had when all the comments commence over my thoughts.
I'm playing devils' advocate here, so bear with me. So many comments on MB's smirking expressions during camera time - I in no way think she's innocent of this beautiful baby's disappearance - however, I don't see the "smirk" as almost everyone is commenting on. I think it's more a nervous reaction. During her court appearance, I thought she was close to tears. I could so easily be wrong - I've flip flopped so many times during the 2 weeks this has been first reported.
I have watched coverage of the tornadoes this morning, both the people being interviewed and the reporters. Amazing how many are smiling and actually laughing during this disaster. I think often that's a reaction that's common but in direct opposition of what someone is truly feeling. There is no way I would judge them and think they're truly heartless (regarding the tornadoes) . But there they are on camera smiling and laughing.
So many are being critical of the investigation - I believe all of LE knows much more than we're being told. Although I am curious, I have no right to demand details, those should be held close to LE so they can effectively investigate. I have to believe they know more than we're being told.
When Casey made a statement regarding it appeared some of the family had seemed aggravated over the searches, I'm wondering if that wasn't TB Sr, and IF ( big IF) he's truly innocent in Baby Evelyn's disappearance if he isn't just helplessly frustrated over his granddaughter being missing and didn't expect the revelation of his and all his family's past legal issues. Maybe to him - he actually thought or hoped if he inquired and reported the missing child, they would get help and the baby would quickly be found and accounted for. His concern may be truly over a missing granddaughter, but the community is crucifying him all over again for past crimes he's committed.
Let me emphasize - I do think Baby Evelyn's family knows exactly where she is and I don't fully believe any of them.
I can only hope Baby Evelyn is somewhere with a loving family - far away from all this madness. We may and we may not ever know what has happened to her. I don't even need the details if indeed she is safe and being loved. Just my hope and prayer that miracles still exist.
I will readily admit, this is the most dysfunctional family, along with in-laws, outlaws and all boyfriends involved that I have heard of that I can remember. A reality check for certain that my "crazy" family as I refer to them - isn't that crazy after all.

Re: TBSr., I certainly would understand that point of view on one level but... this is the time to put pride aside.

I would fully expect that the media would cast my past up to me in a situation like this.

I'd also think that he should be farther along in understanding why seeing that past might bother some people; unless he's not prepared to see it, because he knows he's partially at fault for not breaking ties with AB sooner in her downward spiral and dragging the kids into the mess.

I hope this doesn't sound like victim blaming, but since the victim's family is the one publicly being defensive about their past, I think mild rebuttals are warranted. Anybody who thinks that it's 100% nobody's business, has not in fact done 100% of their own psychological working-out of the repercussions for said situation.

IMO, JMO, MOO.

 

[hdo82]

When LE first made contact with MB, she was at a residence (Sandy Pointe St) listed on the tax assessors website as being owned by "Randy Wood Trustee". One can make the assumption that this is HW's family. There are actually 3 parcels of land listed under the same owner on that same street. All are waterfront properties. Very nice homes.

Though TBsr is also listed as the owner of several properties in Sullivan County, none that I have found so far are equal to that of the homes on Sandy Pointe Street. From MB's POV, there would have been a distinct difference between the world in which she grew up and the world of HW's family. This would intensify her desire to migrate into their world.

We know that HW claimed he never met EB and MB consistantly claimed EB was with EP (where she sustained an apparent fracture to her arm). If we take HW's statement at face value, it is then safe to assume MB was dependent upon others to care for EB while she surfed couches (primarily HW's since this is the same period of time in which they were dating).

DJ stated that AB was living with him. DJ also stated that MB did not bring EB to see them. Based on that, it's safe to assume that AB was not watching EB for MB (at least not during the time she was living with DJ).

So...who was watching EB?

LE initially used information from the babysitter to establish December 10th or 11th as the last credible sighting of EB. Not sure if that changed since then. We know that the identity of the babysitter has not been released. There is speculation that the babysitter is a minor which would explain withholding their name.

If we choose to move forward with that assumption, possible minors available for babysitting would be MB's younger siblings. MB's younger siblings reside with TBsr on the Muddy Creek compound.

TBsr changed his attitude toward media after: - AB's release from jail
- MB's statement during an interview, encouraging people to look for EB but not to "trespass"

Following that line of swirling logic (welcome to my brain), is it plausible that something happened to EB at the Muddy Creek compound... MB turned to AB for help... AB agreed in return for hush money (BMW). TBsr was clueless until AB made contact with TBsr (after her release) and conveyed information regarding evidence which could be located on his property?

Thoughts?

I wonder if EB is on that property... not just some evidence. Idk why they haven't searched anywhere and everywhere MB or EB could have been the past 3 months!
Can they get warrants to search for the child?

 

[Tippy Lynn]

For those of you out of the area - the devastating Nashville tornadoes were about 4 hours away from the Baby Evelyn disappearance area in NE TN. We did have some strong storms roll through this area last night, but no damage that I'm aware.
I've sat on my hands during most of this discussion - and probably will wish I still had when all the comments commence over my thoughts.
I'm playing devils' advocate here, so bear with me. So many comments on MB's smirking expressions during camera time - I in no way think she's innocent of this beautiful baby's disappearance - however, I don't see the "smirk" as almost everyone is commenting on. I think it's more a nervous reaction. During her court appearance, I thought she was close to tears. I could so easily be wrong - I've flip flopped so many times during the 2 weeks this has been first reported.
I have watched coverage of the tornadoes this morning, both the people being interviewed and the reporters. Amazing how many are smiling and actually laughing during this disaster. I think often that's a reaction that's common but in direct opposition of what someone is truly feeling. There is no way I would judge them and think they're truly heartless (regarding the tornadoes) . But there they are on camera smiling and laughing.
So many are being critical of the investigation - I believe all of LE knows much more than we're being told. Although I am curious, I have no right to demand details, those should be held close to LE so they can effectively investigate. I have to believe they know more than we're being told.
When Casey made a statement regarding it appeared some of the family had seemed aggravated over the searches, I'm wondering if that wasn't TB Sr, and IF ( big IF) he's truly innocent in Baby Evelyn's disappearance if he isn't just helplessly frustrated over his granddaughter being missing and didn't expect the revelation of his and all his family's past legal issues. Maybe to him - he actually thought or hoped if he inquired and reported the missing child, they would get help and the baby would quickly be found and accounted for. His concern may be truly over a missing granddaughter, but the community is crucifying him all over again for past crimes he's committed.
Let me emphasize - I do think Baby Evelyn's family knows exactly where she is and I don't fully believe any of them.
I can only hope Baby Evelyn is somewhere with a loving family - far away from all this madness. We may and we may not ever know what has happened to her. I don't even need the details if indeed she is safe and being loved. Just my hope and prayer that miracles still exist.
I will readily admit, this is the most dysfunctional family, along with in-laws, outlaws and all boyfriends involved that I have heard of that I can remember. A reality check for certain that my "crazy" family as I refer to them - isn't that crazy after all.

I'm glad your here with us and posting.

It's always interesting to me to read what others perception is of the people surrounding a case on WS and learning why they see it the way they do. I try to keep an open mind, but sometimes it's just not possible.

I understand how and why you see MB the way you do however, I don't share the same perception of her as you do. I don't know if it's fair to compare reactions and behavior from a person effected by a tornado with family of a missing loved one.

I see deception in MB's interviews and no real sadness or concern for her baby. Now that she's sitting in jail I think she feels sadness for herself, but not for her baby.

As far as TB goes, who cares if the world knows your business or your criminal record. When you have a missing grandchild that should be your only concern.

Thankfully, I don't know how I would react if I was in this situation, but I'm positive I wouldn't give a rip what anyone thought of me. My only concern would be finding my loved one and I would be doing everything I could to help.
jmo

 

[M1SSPATR1C1A]

I wonder if EB is on that property... not just some evidence. Idk why they haven't searched anywhere and everywhere MB or EB could have been the past 3 months!
Can they get warrants to search for the child?

I agree, this has completely baffled me.

 

[SA55]

As far as TB goes, who cares if the world knows your business or your criminal record. When you have a missing grandchild that should be your only concern.

Thankfully, I don't know how I would react if I was in this situation, but I'm positive I wouldn't give a rip what anyone thought of me. My only concern would be finding my loved one and I would be doing everything I could to help.

to clarify my thoughts - I never thought it was TB Sr's pride or that he may even care that anyone knows of his past, I'm wondering if he may just have been frustrated that so much media attention and time has been spent on his past and he was focused only on finding his missing baby and sees it as taking away resources and time from finding her, if indeed he has nothing to do with her disappearance - which I haven't totally discounted

 

[esmerelda]

There is a new TBI director.

The current FBI does not give much confidence.

FBI seemed to be doing a fine job with the Gannon case in CO. They were present at presser yesterday.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

This makes me upset beyond the actions of the family (which obviously is upsetting.)

My response to this headline would be “So?” You don’t need them to be agreeable. You’re the d**m police. Get warrants, bang down doors, file warrants for cell records and gps pings, get out the search dogs and find this baby.

Stop wasting time making worthless statements to the press about the family being aggravated and social media getting in the way and do your job.

I'm frustrated with this case too and my heart aches thinking of baby Evelyn.

I've had to keep reminding myself that we don't know what type of resources they have, what loop holes they have to jump through or what laws are preventing them from finding EB or justice for her. I would bet my last dollar every LE officer, detective, investigator and agency involved wants to find EB, wants justice and wants to have an end to this madness as much or more than we do.
jmo

 

[Gardenkeep]

I watched the hearing video a couple of times yesterday.

I did not think she was smirking. MB appeared more nervous to me than anything, and seemed to be looking around to see who was there. I agree with the other member who questioned if perhaps she was trying to see if anyone was there to support her. Evidently they were not. Big surprise and a continuation of the constant mindset of ‘throw away people’ in this “family.”

I do think she harmed EB (or knows exactly who did) and I certainly don’t excuse her for any of her actions, including the constant lies, but yesterday she seemed like someone who was lost and out of her element. Maybe it was an act, who knows.

You have to wonder what kind of life MB (and then EB) might have had if she had not been born into such a dysfunctional group of people. It definitely seems like a large group and makes me wonder how long and in what numbers neglect has been their way of life.

JMO

I did the same thing. I observed her in that hearing, playing it over more than once. I agree. It appeared to me that she was not necessarily smirking; more tension, anxiety, and completely clueless about how to navigate the situation she finds herself in. Just my observation, MOO.

I have zero emotion towards the family. My emotions are tied in with Evelyn only. Anger, worry, compassion for this little girl who, one way or another is out there lost. For me, it's primarily watching them, observing; looking for the tells. A waiting game for one of them to come forward and stop this anguish.

 

[hdo82]

This makes me upset beyond the actions of the family (which obviously is upsetting.)

My response to this headline would be “So?” You don’t need them to be agreeable. You’re the d**m police. Get warrants, bang down doors, file warrants for cell records and gps pings, get out the search dogs and find this baby.

Stop wasting time making worthless statements to the press about the family being aggravated and social media getting in the way and do your job.

Thats what my thoughts have been, a missing 15 month old obviously in danger, get warrants for anywhere that EB could have been since Dec 10!!!