TN - Gail Nowacki Palmgren, 44, Signal Mountain, 30 April 2011 - #1

[hollyblue]

OKAY.... been watching and reading for the last few days and I now feel the need to voice my OPINION.

These people appear to be very intelligent individuals. Both have the ability for a having a super employment. Not necessarily dependent on the other financially.

At first glance one would think that the husband would be too intelligent to be handling this so callously if he were guilty. But throw in the possibility of (rumor) of a chemical dependancy.... that changes everything. I wish they would call for all out searches for this woman in two states ASAP. Time is a wasteing!!! The longer she is not found the more evidence that is missing. In my opinion it is very irresponsible for LE to let this go any further.

I agree with get the searches underway. I just took a "drive" on google on the hwy she would have taken into town/Walmart. The front way looks to be pretty residential with plenty of guardrails, etc. If she was wanting to avoid him..she may have taken the back or eastern route toward Walden...which I could see the car going off and hidden by the thickets or overgrowth. They have those vines down there (can't rmbr) that cover everything and I do mean cover. Help locals. ???

My opine is her family needs help with general education in dealing with this. No poster, etc. Reward? Yr of vehicle? Last seen wearing? Either they are abiding by MP's request or know more info on the possible foul play side. ? But they are quite too.........

From my little searches...there may be relations in AL too; as well as any in FL, yet FL was not mentioned as somewhere they (LE) were interested in. No reports of a search of the home(s) either for digital info.

 

[paris_paris]

So, I'm back to this article: http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2011/may/12/missing-womans-husband-seeks-custody-children/

Some of the comments under it are vicious, but there's also an undercurrent of allegations in them that probably are worth some investigation by somebody, in my opinion.

I posted on page 1 about some of those comments. The "vicious" ones are made by a person who is FB friend of a woman with the same maiden name as Gail.

 

[fran]

Gail has been gone for two weeks. Where is she? Is she hurt? In a hospital somewhere? Hiding?

Gail's family, extended family, is there and that has been in the news. They've posted flyers and talked to friends and family and pretty well done everything they can. IF Gail was able to, she would have contacted her family by now, IMHO. But she hasn't. There's a reason for that.

Gail's husband isn't concerned with his wife's well being. He's concerned with his assets. His possessions. His kids. me, me, me .............he said his attorney told him not to talk to the press? What? The only type of attorney that would tell a spouse not to talk to the press would be a criminal defense attorney. So, which is it? IF it's a criminal defense attorney, why would the husband even discuss this with him if he didn't have anything to hide? He wouldn't.

IF it's not a criminal defense attorney but his divorce attorney, why would he tell the husband not to go to the media? That makes no sense. Or is the husband, along with his attorney, trying to shore up the assets so that Gail can't get them even if she returns? Makes no sense.

So, why aren't we going to the national media?

JMHO
fran

 

[hollyblue]

Maybe the family, upon finally making some local contacts have been convinced that Gail does, indeed, have some personal issues that mitigate the disappearance. It's a possibility ... perhaps this is why they don't want things to go national.

She may indeed, but we don't "why"...the family and friends think that where ever she is ...she's afraid. She may have very good reasons for that. If you check out Rachael's case on the link in my signature....you'll see. Someone was vandalizing her car and even going to the trouble of dumping men's cologne on her front porch. She lived alone. The estranged husband is now incarcerated for another felony not directly involved with her missing case, but it is thought he or a friend (male/female) could have been doing it. Rachael was petrified. ie...paranoid. Psychological abuse is very frightening.-- She's still missing.

 

[brittbritt40]

I agree with get the searches underway. I just took a "drive" on google on the hwy she would have taken into town/Walmart. The front way looks to be pretty residential with plenty of guardrails, etc. If she was wanting to avoid him..she may have taken the back or eastern route toward Walden...which I could see the car going off and hidden by the thickets or overgrowth. They have those vines down there (can't rmbr) that cover everything and I do mean cover. Help locals. ???

My opine is her family needs help with general education in dealing with this. No poster, etc. Reward? Yr of vehicle? Last seen wearing? Either they are abiding by MP's request or know more info on the possible foul play side. ? But they are quite too.........

From my little searches...there may be relations in AL too; as well as any in FL, yet FL was not mentioned as somewhere they (LE) were interested in. No reports of a search of the home(s) either for digital info.

Are you talking about going down the "w" road? Going down the mtn on the right side of the road, there are a few spots that are covered in kudzu (vines) but not exactly a place to go off the road. On the left side, there are either rock walls or guard rails all down the mtn. I don't think that anything could happen without someone noticing. There are houses along that road as well. It's a very curvy road and one section is literally in the shape of a "w" which is why we call it the "w" road. If something were to happen, it would shut the entire road down. It is a VERY narrow two lane road. The first time I drove down it, I was scared I was going to hit someone or vice versa, but you get used to it and I prefer going down that way rather than the front side.

 

[Pearl*]

Pearl, You can only give a link to the comment....not copy and paste....like FB here. You'll need to edit your post....or it will prolly be deleted. Just a heads up ....

Ok, thanks. I didn't know.

I don't know how to edit it to make it okay, so I just deleted it.

 

[fran]

Ok, thanks. I didn't know.

I don't know how to edit it to make it okay, so I just deleted it.

OT....if you still get the 'edit' button at the bottom of your post, you are capable of 'editing' and not just deleting your posts. You are allowed a window of opportunity before the post becomes permanent.

When you hit 'edit' it gives you your post and change it or delete something as you like. There's a space for you to put the 'reason' for the edit but it's not mandatory that you put anything there. Then you hit 'save changes' and the edited post will appear.

hth
fran

 

[redfish]

Ok, thanks. I didn't know.

I don't know how to edit it to make it okay, so I just deleted it.

Pearl, in response to your deleted post.... Your thought processes make total sense. I hope LE will be getting more involved (it appears they are not at this time). Just the reported facts (slender as they are) are very alarming to me and deserve further investigation. This is my opinion, however.

 

[Irish_Eyes]

So just some thoughts....the PIN was changed on the bank accounts and a change of address filed dated 4/30? So you can probably change PIN's over the phone and I know you can do a change of address request by computer with a credit card for a dollar. I'm guessing if Gail filed the change of address she probably did it by computer if she was out of state. It's possible she went to the post office but no one has come out saying they saw here around there that we know of. If it was done by computer, wonder whose credit card was used and when it was used before and after that time? Also, changed her address to where? Supposedly she took the passports. I think this is something that you might be advised to do if you have concerns that your spouse would try and flee the country with your kids. But unless she changed her address to somewhere in Norway or Thailand or somewhere, it doesn't sound to me like that was her plan. I could see her changing the pins on the accounts that were in her name. If the accounts were only in her name then he could probably only access them using the PIN and not be able to go into a branch and get out money. But also I could see him changing the PIN's so that any cards she might have with her she couldn't use. That would mean she would have to go into the branch to get money, which would be hard to do if you are trying to be MIA.

 

[redfish]

So just some thoughts....the PIN was changed on the bank accounts and a change of address filed dated 4/30? So you can probably change PIN's over the phone and I know you can do a change of address request by computer with a credit card for a dollar. I'm guessing if Gail filed the change of address she probably did it by computer if she was out of state. It's possible she went to the post office but no one has come out saying they saw here around there that we know of. If it was done by computer, wonder whose credit card was used and when it was used before and after that time? Also, changed her address to where? Supposedly she took the passports. I think this is something that you might be advised to do if you have concerns that your spouse would try and flee the country with your kids. But unless she changed her address to somewhere in Norway or Thailand or somewhere, it doesn't sound to me like that was her plan. I could see her changing the pins on the accounts that were in her name. If the accounts were only in her name then he could probably only access them using the PIN and not be able to go into a branch and get out money. But also I could see him changing the PIN's so that any cards she might have with her she couldn't use. That would mean she would have to go into the branch to get money, which would be hard to do if you are trying to be MIA.

Seems to me, this is where I would start, were I LE. Easy to determine in a few minutes if she had cash enough to stay hidden for a while. Maybe they do have information that she is staying hidden on purpose and this is why they are not in full search mode. I just can't believe they aren't looking into this at all.

moo

 

[hollyblue]

Are you talking about going down the "w" road? Going down the mtn on the right side of the road, there are a few spots that are covered in kudzu (vines) but not exactly a place to go off the road. On the left side, there are either rock walls or guard rails all down the mtn. I don't think that anything could happen without someone noticing. There are houses along that road as well. It's a very curvy road and one section is literally in the shape of a "w" which is why we call it the "w" road. If something were to happen, it would shut the entire road down. It is a VERY narrow two lane road. The first time I drove down it, I was scared I was going to hit someone or vice versa, but you get used to it and I prefer going down that way rather than the front side.

Kudzu....that's IT!!!! That must be the road and thank you. Taft or 127/8? The place I landed and was "driving" did show the rock wall, but the other side looked pretty baron at that point. I couldn't tell you exactly where, but landing in other areas showed all houses for the most part.
I guess LE has checked it out....or I hope..anyway. TY.

 

[brittbritt40]

http://www.ronlowery.com/gallerypages/7422.html

Here is a link to a really great picture of the "W" road for those of you that were curious...

 

[Pearl*]

OT....if you still get the 'edit' button at the bottom of your post, you are capable of 'editing' and not just deleting your posts. You are allowed a window of opportunity before the post becomes permanent.

When you hit 'edit' it gives you your post and change it or delete something as you like. There's a space for you to put the 'reason' for the edit but it's not mandatory that you put anything there. Then you hit 'save changes' and the edited post will appear.

hth
fran

Thanks. I think I get the basics of how to edit a post, but I didn't know how to edit that particular one because of the way I quoted a portion of the article and then gave my comment, and then another portion, etc. I did save the post on my hard drive, however, because it was a decent amount of work. Am I allowed to change the quoted sections to a paraphrase of the quote? I don't think I understand the rules. I also don't understand a lot of the acronyms on here.

 

[hollyblue]

Ok, thanks. I didn't know.

I don't know how to edit it to make it okay, so I just deleted it.

No problem. Been there and done that too. On any of your posts ( I think up to an hour) you can edit....the edit button is located left of the quote button in the lower left hand of the post. You just need to play around with it...you can then just hit your back button on your puter or refresh may clear it too.

ETA: Thank Fran, I didn't see your post.

 

[TxLady2]

First, I don't recall seeing anywhere that stated they were her accounts. If I missed that one, I still would not consider an article in the media as certain proof. I have seen so many articles and each says something a tad different. Look at the top of this page and you will see where one says her family encouraged him to report her missing, the next post shows an article that states his did=just for common knowledge, I know that his family is heartbroken and extremely worried about her too.

As for the pin # and notification. My husband and I have several accounts, all in different banks. With 2 of these we have an ATM card. Our ATM cards are identical and we have the same pin. Our debit card also works that way. We were not given an option, it was just that way when we got them. If I suddenly changed it, he would be notified. That's how the banks work here...and we use large banking companies, not small hometown banks.

As for your last statement, no one else can find Gail and I seriously doubt the bank knows anything different. They notified him because he is on the account.

I will have to go back and read it again, but I think that is what was stated in the article, that the accounts were in her name. I agree that the article could be wrong. However, by your own statement, you also don't know for sure that he was on ALL the accounts, do you? Not being flippant, but if they were her accounts, all the banks I have ever dealt with would not notify him of anything, he would receive no correspondence from the bank about HER accounts whatsoever. She could have received something in the mail, which he opened in her absence, however.
I do not understand what you meant in your last two sentences, I was certainly not implying that the bank knew anything. IIRC, I was referring to my own experience. And again, the article implies that they were HER accounts, in her name only.
The day that my bank notifies my husband of any changes in MY accounts, while I am still breathing, that's the day I will change banks.

 

[hollyblue]

Thanks. I think I get the basics of how to edit a post, but I didn't know how to edit that particular one because of the way I quoted a portion of the article and then gave my comment, and then another portion, etc. I did save the post on my hard drive, however, because it was a decent amount of work. Am I allowed to change the quoted sections to a paraphrase of the quote? I don't think I understand the rules. I also don't understand a lot of the acronyms on here.

BBM (bolded by me) Yes you can paraphrase...and then link to the article or comment section...or give the name and date of commenter.

HTH (hope that helps)

 

[KathyJ]

Just have to put my two cents in here. No matter how good of friends you are with someone or a couple you truly have no idea what can go on behind closed doors. I myself have been in situations that I would NEVER share with any of my friends. Alot of people put on happy faces. They don't air their dirty laundry. I am not sure what is going on with this case but there are way too many red flags. I knew a couple once, and from my opinion as well as everyone around them, they were your normal every day couple. Until the father snapped one day and killed his own daughter. NO ONE saw that coming and no one did the "in looking back he did seem odd" not one sign there was such a severe issue with this guy.

All I am saying is there are a lot of odd circumstances surrounding this case ----I hope it does not have a tragic ending.

 

[KathyJ]

Between the community's "culture" of sweeping problems under the rug, and the "family" (whoever that is) position of wanting to stay out of the spotlight, it appears that much potentially useful information is being withheld. It looks like the desire for privacy would be overcome by desperation to find her at some point, but this doesn't seem to be happening yet. Of course, without release of anything "official," rumor, gossip, etc. becomes the only way to get information, and that's what is happening in this case.

So, I'm back to this article: http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2011/may/12/missing-womans-husband-seeks-custody-children/

Some of the comments under it are vicious, but there's also an undercurrent of allegations in them that probably are worth some investigation by somebody, in my opinion. There is at least one relevant (possibly) addition since last night. I simply can't find anything else new or different that could be followed up on.

I have read these comments as well. IMO a few friends are trying to paint a picture of the Husband by putting information out there that we would not know of because we don't personally know them. It's very hard to break that cycle in a "hush hush" community. I think we are going to see lines drawn and sides taken and alot of mud slinging which is sad

 

[believe09]

Maybe the family, upon finally making some local contacts have been convinced that Gail does, indeed, have some personal issues that mitigate the disappearance. It's a possibility ... perhaps this is why they don't want things to go national.

Since Gail's sister and brother have been in the media handing out flyers, I am willing to put my money on this statement NOT applying to them. I think the silence is defening from her DH. I can only believe, thanks again to Confused's posts, that this is because he is making sure Signal PD has everything they need from him to move forward.

The last known wearing is bizarre-no question. Clearly her friends and long distance family would have no idea.

So, what was it?

 

[KathyJ]

I am trying to really think how I would react if someone very close to me was missing. I know I can't really begin to imagine unless it was happening. I read so many threads on here where family members are out morning, noon and night searching...getting the word out so that just maybe someone will have a good tip. Then I read other threads where the family is closed up and not talking to anyone! I don't want to judge because I have never been in this situation. I just find some behavior bizarre by family members when someone goes missing......