TN - Gail Nowacki Palmgren, 44, Signal Mountain, 30 April 2011 - #6

[hollyblue]

I am sure someone can clarify specifically to that instance, but AD was traveling all over to LE's handing out flyers, (even to Batesville, MS) and I recall had to have the LE in Batesville call Signal Mountain PD since they had never heard of GP! At that time, we all knew about Batesville from a hotel receipt and TH's new home town....one would think SMPD would, maybe, for the heck of it, contact them and let them know, just in case they see a Red Rubicon...just saying! IMHO as always!

Wondering now if the call/text discussion between AD and the detective from SMPD was regarding the DVR? Maybe he was asking for the DVR, after the PI had been down there and met opposition? He met it also and hence the text? AD's neck hairs must have been up after Matt's letter and the PI's visit. IMO

 

[BeanE]

Yes, but I'm basing this idea on the complaint I've heard so often, that there were no official search parties on Signal. Is that true? I would think they would search up here somewhat if they thought she were up here.

ETA: Or... more to the point, they would have searched unless they had good reason to think she were NOT up here.

Searches cost a fortune, and LE only searches the most highly likely places a person or evidence will be found. There are a lot of factors that go into that, and they also weigh in risk to the searchers in making their decisions on search areas.

Search organizations like TES are the same way. They (LE & search organizations) can't just go out and search huge areas, particularly when terrain type is a factor.

LE also does searches that only become known if someone happens to see them, and happens to figure out what they're doing, so there are searches that we never find out about until much later, during discovery releases or at trial.

Sometimes making a list of known places LE has searched can give some clues to their thinking.

I think I put some documents over in Gabe's forum about search strategies, but they're mostly geared toward landfill searches. I'll poke around in them this weekend and see what I can find. IIRC, NCMEC has some docs on searching, and I think their associate organization, Team Adam, has some too.

 

[hollyblue]

The order had handwritten changes to the satisfaction of the judge when it was signed as temporary, Friday night. MP's attorney's got notice, (Nerdy and unsmart, per Davis) MP may have freaked cause that would mean he can't leave town to enjoy the 4th of July weekend he had planned! THEN it's dissolved? done?, finite?, do the math. IMHO Meanwhile, where's GAIL???

Off topic - Davis and Hoss seem to also have their hands full now....I wonder how that will pan out timewise? http://www.newschannel9.com/articles/mathews-1000978-today-accused.html

and "The three public defenders said they had no forewarning that they were being taken off the case."
http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_200692.asp

Think of the funds that will be funneled in that direction, more MSM coverage...IMHO

And Hoss is known for defending the police with their cases; and is now defending a cop killer?????? Judge appoints them and dismisses the public defenders.... ?

 

[glorias]

I agree, hollyblue. It's interesting on many levels.

 

[BeanE]

I notice none of the videos about the hearing are mentioned upthread.

I just am not going to have time to go through all the articles, videos, and tweets until probably Sunday.

Anyone interested in doing so for themselves can find all the articles and videos here:

http://casesignal.wordpress.com/2011/06/23/gail-palmgren-news-articles-videos-may-2011/


And all the reporters' tweets here:

http://casesignal.files.wordpress.c...ng-order-emergency-hearing-june-29-tweets.pdf

Or here:

http://keepstream.com/CaseSignal/gail-palmgren-case-tweet-archive

 

[BeanE]

I hope I'm not stepping on toes. I know BeanE said she would give links

Not at all, glorias. I just don't have time until probably Sunday.

 

[BeanE]

So...we have atty #1 who describes client as nerdy and unsmart; atty #2 (friend of client) who describes missing person as flat f___d up as quoted by atty #1....

I think I'd go atty shopping myself--but then he's not smart. Oh, well!

I thought atty #2 is also a friend of missing person. Isn't this who, with his wife, Gail went to stay with the 23rd/24th when she was so scared she wanted Arlene to go get her in 3 phone calls, and then while Arlene was arranging for Mike to get Gail, Gail left and went to these friends while in extremis? Or do I have the wrong friends?

(I'm by no means defending what atty #2 said. It was an impolite (at best) way to refer to anyone one thinks is having mental issues.) It is the relationship I'm trying to clarify.

 

[BeanE]

From my perspective, one of the elephants in the room is why didnt GP call AD on 4/30 during the key times before she arrived in SM and after she dropped the kids off? She called her sister, repeatedly IIRC. So far AD has not stated that she was the recipient of any calls made by Gail when driving in her car headed back to SM or when she left the home. Gail's sister was much further away then either AD or her other friends who she left items with....yet Gail called Diane. It is part of the big mystery regarding the case for me.

BBM. Yes. Arlene expected to see Gail on the 30th. At the least, they'd planned Mike's birthday party for the 30th. Don't know what other plans.

I've looked everywhere to try to find when and how Arlene found out Gail had left, but have been unable to find anything. It may well be that Gail called Arlene, and I don't want to assume she didn't, but so far, not finding anything.

ETA: saw the Jammer info after I posted this

 

[glorias]

I thought atty #2 is also a friend of missing person. Isn't this who, with his wife, Gail went to stay with the 23rd/24th when she was so scared she wanted Arlene to go get her in 3 phone calls, and then while Arlene was arranging for Mike to get Gail, Gail left and went to these friends while in extremis? Or do I have the wrong friends?

(I'm by no means defending what atty #2 said. It was an impolite (at best) way to refer to anyone one thinks is having mental issues.) It is the relationship I'm trying to clarify.

Yes, "Mr. G" is the one who said something about Gail, which the lawyer told The Chattanoogan was that Gail was "flat f-- up." We don't know Mr. G's name, but Sleuthy1 did call them Mr and Mrs G a couple days ago.

Just to keep from spamming the thread like I did earlier :innocent: -- You mentioned that you didn't know how Arlene knew Gail had left. I think Arlene said she didn't know until the morning of the 30th when she saw no one was at the lake house.

But you know, that's kind of odd now that I think of it. Didn't she try to call Gail? Maybe she did but had bad reception, like she mentioned to Jammer in that interview.

 

[MMRC]

Well, I am very sorry to read that the interview did not go so well and that it took a turn in the middle. I just heard about the interview yesterday early morning and thought that some of you all might be interested . . .

I did not have an opportunity to listen.

Yes, Scott is filling in this week.

Again, I do appologize if your time was wasted . . . .

 

[BeanE]

Ok--We know she was making preparations to leave. She had a target date in mind, as in after school was out, according to AD on today's broadcast. She was working in stealth mode, gathering evidence, putting finances in order, and distributing important items among other people.

He came home much earlier than expected on April 29. How could that have upset the apple cart? In fact, wasn't he many hours earlier than expected? Could she have been in the middle of some of her "getting ready," and he learned something she wasn't ready for him to find out? Could that have prompted the blow-up that caused the DV call? I wonder if AD knows what Gail was doing on April 29.

Supposed to come home by plane @ 11:35pm April 29 Friday. At least one article says he came home instead morning April 29, by car, driving w/Terry. Arlene says in 2nd SMM interview he came home the day before - April 28 Thursday.

Quick question - did someone mention that Gail called or went LE on Thursday April 28? Or was I hallucinating.

Also, quick sequence of events (so sorry - I need to get some things done before Casey trial starts this morning)
- Wed Apr 27 - Gail extracts info from track on Matt's car. Probably finds out unexpected info
- Thu Apr 28 - PI gives all info to Gail. Probably finds out unexpected info. Matt comes home. Did Gail go to police station? Did a confrontation start here?
- Fri Apr 29 - Maybe Matt came home early here, and Gail confronted about info from tracker and from PI? Why did Matt go to police station? Then Gail went to police station. Argument AT police station. LE gives Gail # to safe place.

Why in the world did Matt go to police station? Did he come home and Gail had locked him out? Did he come home and Gail confronted him and told him to get out? Did Gail confront him & he ran to police station saying "my wife is crazy"? Did he try to Baker Act her? I keep trying to envision scenarios that would lead a man to actually go to police station. Unusual.

And what the heck did Matt do/say at police station that led them to give Gail # to safe place?

ETA: One more quick note. So very sorry I'm being messy - trying to type ultra fast because hubby is giving me dirty looks LOL.

PI tells Gail on Thurs that MFH in progress, Gail drives to police station to report it, confronts Matt about it on Fri morning, Matt knows he's caught & goes to police station to deny report Gail made the day before? Something like that?

MFH - the 40k and then begins Gail saying she thinks she's being followed and the phone calls saying she's scared.

This is why she's so scared when calling Diane on Sat morning 6:30am and around noon? And doesn't tell Diane so that Diane won't be worried about MFH.

But then, if MFH & LE knew, why didn't LE look for Gail immediately when she disappeared? Or did they?

A whole lot is just not adding up.

Again, my apologies for being messy.

 

[BeanE]

I wish we knew from the lawyer and his wife directly what they said/thought because these are not facts as WS defines them, are they? (Matt's lawyer said-they-said).

I don't think WS defines what are facts. I think WS defines what we can post. It's up to each of us, using our own personal criteria, to determine what is fact, or as I think of it, what is more likely and less likely.

JBean, please correct me if I'm misstating.

I 'rate' the 'to get tags' towards the higher end of my own personal likelihood scale, because more than one person is reported to have said that Gail told them she was being followed to get her tags. (Birmingham friend, Arlene, Matt)

Personally, I keep in mind with all this stuff in all these cases that the further away one gets from the original source (in this instance, Gail), the less reliable the info is. For all we know, unless and until we hear it from Gail, she may never have told anyone at all she thought she was being followed, no?

 

[lalalu]

Didn't hear the Jammer interview w/AD, so all I know is what some of you have posted, but I was wondering about the part that had to do w/ possibly seeing G on the trails that evening...did AD actually say that (although she wasn't there), she thought it would have been TH? Maybe this wrong, but it seems odd to have speculated that -seems a little over the top.

I know that the "witness" to the trail sighting said that G was staring full face on and this was interpreted as a silent plea for help...let's say that G had been potentially paranoid as it has been discussed here and in other sources. perhaps the full on view was because G thought that the "witness" was trailing her and was attempting to get a good look, tag etc. The passenger could have been looking away because a random vehicle would have been of no interest to her and a mere glance and head turn would be normal behavior. If someone didn't want to be seen, they would likely at least slump down a little and not be sitting up looking to be 5'8' or whatever the "witness" said. How tall is TH anyway, if anyone knows?

Or maybe this is a wasted ramble, a red herring in the woods, who knows?

 

[glorias]

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Quick question - did someone mention that Gail called or went LE on Thursday April 28? Or was I hallucinating.

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PI tells Gail on Thurs that MFH in progress, Gail drives to police station to report it, confronts Matt about it on Fri morning, Matt knows he's caught & goes to police station to deny report Gail made the day before? Something like that?

MFH - the 40k and then begins Gail saying she thinks she's being followed and the phone calls saying she's scared.

This is why she's so scared when calling Diane on Sat morning 6:30am and around noon? And doesn't tell Diane so that Diane won't be worried about MFH.

But then, if MFH & LE knew, why didn't LE look for Gail immediately when she disappeared? Or did they?

I mentioned Gail went on the 29th. I don't think she went on the 28th.

MFH = murder for hire? Is that a theory or is there something that has mentioned murder for hire? I'm freaking out a little bit here, because this is the first I've heard anyone say "murder for hire" in this case.

 

[Emeralgem]

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I mentioned Gail went on the 29th. I don't think she went on the 28th.

MFH = murder for hire? Is that a theory or is there something that has mentioned murder for hire? I'm freaking out a little bit here, because this is the first I've heard anyone say "murder for hire" in this case.

I don't know but thats my theory and has been for quite sometime.. I also suspect thats what some of the money he took from Gail went toward....I just wish all counties (Marion. Hamilton and Sequatchie) would go over Prentice Cooper with a fine tooth comb...I also suspect that is virtually impossible, but it needs to be done... JMHO...

 

[Pearl*]

I keep thinking back to this from one of the earliest articles:

"Gail Palmgren's whereabouts are a mystery that has only been intensified by her last conversation with her sister Diane, moments before Palmgren was last seen."

"'She was nervous. She was anxious. She sounded scared,'" says Diane Nichols. Palmgren wouldn't say why she was scared but the Nichols made out this much, '"She just thought she was being followed."'

"It was a bizzare conversation and Diane wonders if it's in any way connected to Gail's husband, Matthew Palmgren. '"I know they had some marriage problems."'


http://www.newschannel9.com/news/palmgren-1001216-nichols-last.html

I've thought for some time that Diane probably didn't tell the reporter more than she thought he needed to know.

 

[Pearl*]

BBM. Yes. Arlene expected to see Gail on the 30th. At the least, they'd planned Mike's birthday party for the 30th. Don't know what other plans.

I've looked everywhere to try to find when and how Arlene found out Gail had left, but have been unable to find anything. It may well be that Gail called Arlene, and I don't want to assume she didn't, but so far, not finding anything.

ETA: saw the Jammer info after I posted this

[bbm]

AD mentioned on the broadcast that they were going to go see (with the children) AD's newborn foal.

That, to me, was a really important detail, indicating even more reason Gail would not have left early on the 30th unless something happened to force it. For the kids to have been able to see a newborn foal would have been very special, I think.

 

[Pearl*]

I thought atty #2 is also a friend of missing person. Isn't this who, with his wife, Gail went to stay with the 23rd/24th when she was so scared she wanted Arlene to go get her in 3 phone calls, and then while Arlene was arranging for Mike to get Gail, Gail left and went to these friends while in extremis? Or do I have the wrong friends?

(I'm by no means defending what atty #2 said. It was an impolite (at best) way to refer to anyone one thinks is having mental issues.) It is the relationship I'm trying to clarify.

My impression is that the couple were friends with both MP and GP, and that GP misjudged their loyalty to MP.

 

[BeanE]

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I mentioned Gail went on the 29th. I don't think she went on the 28th.

MFH = murder for hire? Is that a theory or is there something that has mentioned murder for hire? I'm freaking out a little bit here, because this is the first I've heard anyone say "murder for hire" in this case.

Yes, MFH is murder for hire. It's a theory I'm considering, to see how well it may fit, based on, primarily:
- the 2 $20k amounts Matt asked for from Gail and she gave him
- timeframe of the $40k then soon after Gail starts telling people she thinks she's being followed
- giving away items to so many people, "in case something happens to me", ensures more than one person will speak up & poke around if anything happens to her
- timeframe of PI turning over all info to Gail possibly confirming info he'd suspected earlier
- Gail calling Diane saying she's scared & to call LE but not telling Diane why she's so scared except that she thinks somebody is following her, indicating possibly not wanting Diane to worry, but wanting Diane to be aware if something happens
- leaving the kids at home and taking off indicating a possible desire to protect them by separating herself from them

 

[Pearl*]

Yes, "Mr. G" is the one who said something about Gail, which the lawyer told The Chattanoogan was that Gail was "flat f-- up." We don't know Mr. G's name, but Sleuthy1 did call them Mr and Mrs G a couple days ago.

The name of the G's was given in yesterday's broadcast, but it was not an easily understood name (as Smith or Jones). The name was said several times, but I didn't get what it was.