TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden, believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #28

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  • #241
N/T and Concentric--Have the answer!

Take all the witness statements-
Throw them in the trash
Start from scratch

Then we will have ONE account//everyone on the same page, and we won't have to spend anymore time "filling in the blanks"

Any chance that will happen????

I think that would be the best thing that ever happened in Holly's case. What was also very interesting about the Ken Brennan investigation is the evidence was right there in front of LE's face but they totally missed it and took it as not being possible but Mr. Brennan tested his theory with real people........it was unbelievable. You just have to watch it to believe it.

I honestly believe the missing clue in this case is right before their eyes but they either dismissed it, missed it or overlooked it or they need a new set of eyes. Someone who pays very close attention to detail.


BTW...not just Holly's case. So many of these cold cases need someone to step in and take over from scratch, imo Cummings, Dunn, Baum and so many others.
 
  • #242
The recent statement from Clint about being closer than ever...I read it to mean that the family has grown closer than ever, not that they are closer than ever to finding Holly. Does anyone have that sentence from one of his last interviews?
 
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N/T and Concentric--Have the answer!

Take all the witness statements-
Throw them in the trash
Start from scratch

Then we will have ONE account//everyone on the same page, and we won't have to spend anymore time "filling in the blanks"

Any chance that will happen????
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Thank you so much for that R.U.Kidding! I appreciate so much your ackowledgement. Either of those P.I.'s, Ken Brennan as intially proposed by n/t (thank you n/t) or Bob Heales, would solve this case, IMO. Mr. Heales also was integral in solving the case of missing Erika Dahlquist.

I don't know if I can go into it, but I was there online from the beginning of when Dru Sjodin was missing, and we were in contact with the searchers in the field. From what I found out, Mr. Heales found the missing piece of the puzzle about sex offender Rodriguez, to hone in on the area where Dru's body was found.

Also, Mr. Heales really advocated for more security cameras on campuses/malls, etc. as outlined in this article:

http://www.mndaily.com/2008/04/07/learning-lessons-dru-sjodin?quicktabs_6=0

http://www.heales-pi.com/NewpaperArticles.htm
 
  • #245
"First of all, how do you assume somebody is in full camo gear by seeing their silhouette kneeling down? How could he say he believed it was DS in full camo gear in the garage and know it was HB out there with him when he could hear unidentifiable voices but did not go look to see who it actually was? All of this before he saw them walking away together. That part of the story completely baffles me like no other and makes me think the order of the timeline as we know it could be completely false. Not the time it happened, but the sequence."

<snipped>

I think that Clint is not an experienced public speaker, nor has he been interviewed a lot in his life, so some of his story may seem confusing because he rambles a lot. He is also Southern, and we have a way of putting things together in a sentence that could be hard for others to understand.
I believe he is NOT saying that he actually saw the cammo while viewing the silhouette. He knows the guy was wearing cammo because he later saw him in those clothes while walking into the woods with Holly. He realized that it had to be the same man who was in the garage. So he feels confident saying the guy was wearing cammo in the garage without having to actually see it at that point. He's made those conclusions based on what he learned later....not on what he actually was seeing at the time he looked out the window into the garage. He thought he was seeing Holly with her boyfriend who had been hunting, but later had to readjust due to what actually happened.
Clint is not a good communicator, in addition to his inexperience, because he is also under a great deal of stress as well, and he may be trying not to reveal too much while still telling his story.
He has been trying to put the pieces together of what he saw after the trauma of his sister's abduction became a reality for him. It was early morning, and he didn't realize he should've been paying closer attention, or that Holly was in danger. He's just not all that great at being clear and concise.
I have a friend who cannot tell a story about her adventures that makes any sense. She is a terrible communicator, and can be very confusing. I have to go over it and ask questions in the right way to get the complete details in the right order. I suspect Clint may be like that.
I don't think he is involved in Holly's abduction in any way, or that he is fabricating any part of his story. He just doesn't express himself well in an interview, and there is no effort made to clarify anything by the interviewer.
The media got all kinds of details wrong in the beginning, and that has added to the confusion.
Yes, I can agree that CB is not a gifted orator. But it has been 5 months of people always trying to water down the things that CB has said. IMO it is very telling in how people relate a story, much more so than the actual phrasing. Could we agree that when recalling memories, we play them out in our mind's eye and we still need to decipher what it is we are going to say? If so, then I find it significant in how CB retells parts of the story, because the whole story is too murky to put together. Notice in the JVM interview, when CB talks about seeing HB and abductor walking away he says-
"C. BOBO: And then I got in touch with my mom and found out that Holly was supposed to be in school that morning and realized that that must have been her at the house and then I looked back out and saw Holly and a male walking towards the woods and that`s the last time I saw her. " CB admits to witnessing HB and abductor walk away, but no description of the abductor at this point. In the very next question asked, CB then goes into this-
"C. BOBO: Right. And I told my mom that once I realized it was Holly, I said well, Holly and Drew which is her boyfriend were out in the garage talking."
"C. BOBO: No, I assumed -- I was inside the house and I assumed that that was Holly and her boyfriend Drew and he was dressed in full camouflage so I thought that Drew had been to the woods and killed a turkey and brought it back to the house and the two were sitting there over the turkey talking. After I saw the blood, I thought that was blood of a turkey that Drew had killed."
Now notice when talking about this part of the story, the part he admits to only seeing silhouettes, he gives a much more detailed description. He says HB and a man walked away together and then says WHILE HE WAS STILL INSIDE THE HOUSE he says that he assumed it was HB and DS in full camo gear. How do you assume somebody is in full camo when you have not seen the person? That is very important IMO because when recalling memories we usually associate what happened with the specific sequence, even if telling a story out of order of the entire sequence of events. For example, he talks about seeing them walk away together before he describes it as HB and DS being in the garage.
It is much simpler to say I saw HB and a man in camo walk away, and then refer to them together as "they", than it would be to always state them individually and only give descriptions in certain parts of the retelling. Does that make sense to you? Again, I am not trying to bash CB in any way, but I have found it interesting in how he tells parts of the story and the details he adds to the specific sequence.
Here is a generic story to illustrate my point- A boy and his father go to the circus. The father buys the boy some cotton candy.When they are seated, the boy's pink cotton candy falls to the ground and the father goes to buy him a new one. - I could of said the father bought him pink cotton candy, but the color of the candy was only important when i chose to describe it. It is the same thing with CB. For whatever reason, he retells that sequence of the story in much greater detail than any other, the part he admits to only seeing silhouettes. It is because he chose to do so and I don't have a clue how that relates to being a gifted speaker, but it definitely makes you take more notice to that sequence IMO.
 
  • #246
I think CB is trying to deflect criticism of his actions. "Why didn't you do more, Clint? Why didn't you go outside?" This is how he explains it: (1) He heard multiple voices outside that he didn't recognize; and (2) he saw two silhouettes in the garage that he couldn't identify. (CB doesn't come right out and say it, but I think he was a bit scared. And the dog was barking. Did it sense trouble?) If CB were to confront these strangers, he'd be outnumbered 2-to-1. What if they were armed? He probably isn't sure what to do. So, he calls (and leaves a message for?) his mother at school. Meanwhile, he's trying to "explain" the situation to himself. Is it Holly and Drew? Are they kneeling over a turkey? (He might at this point be able to discern the camo garb.) And sure enough, he looks again and sees his sister outside with a person he incorrectly identifies (from behind) as her boyfriend. (He can see that he is, indeed, wearing camo garb.) He detects no sign of distress, so he figures it must be Drew. And he drops the matter at that point. (Did his mother then call back a little while later, after she received a message from the neighbor?)

So, I think CB is describing the sequence of events in these interviews in part to defend himself against criticism for his non-action. I reserve the right to change my mind later; but that's how I interpret it. ;)
 
  • #247
Are you familiar with septic tanks? The only openings are the commodes, tubs, showers, and sinks via drainage pipes. In order to access the septic they would have to dig up the yard.

That is completely false.
 
  • #248
I think CB is trying to deflect criticism of his actions. "Why didn't you do more, Clint? Why didn't you go outside?" This is how he explains it: (1) He heard multiple voices outside that he didn't recognize; and (2) he saw two silhouettes in the garage that he couldn't identify. (CB doesn't come right out and say it, but I think he was a bit scared. And the dog was barking. Did it sense trouble?) If CB were to confront these strangers, he'd be outnumbered 2-to-1. What if they were armed? He probably isn't sure what to do. So, he calls (and leaves a message for?) his mother at school. Meanwhile, he's trying to "explain" the situation to himself. Is it Holly and Drew? Are they kneeling over a turkey? (He might at this point be able to discern the camo garb.) And sure enough, he looks again and sees his sister outside with a person he incorrectly identifies (from behind) as her boyfriend. (He can see that he is, indeed, wearing camo garb.) He detects no sign of distress, so he figures it must be Drew. And he drops the matter at that point. (Did his mother then call back a little while later, after she received a message from the neighbor?)

So, I think CB is describing the sequence of events in these interviews in part to defend himself against criticism for his non-action. I reserve the right to change my mind later; but that's how I interpret it. ;)
I think you hit on an interesting point here. If CB knew that there were dangerous people in his garage, would that of changed his actions? If you were told there were armed people in your home, how would you react? Would it be different from assuming the strangers are friendlies? This is something I have thought about as well. If you knew your parents should be gone and your sister could of possibly left for school when you were awoken, if you noticed two people in your garage what would you naturally assume? If you thought it was no big deal then just go on with your day not worrying about it. But from what we have been told, this is not what CB does. He calls his mother to ask her who is there and also pays enough attention to see his sister and a man in camo walk away toward the woods. That does not sound like the actions of an unconcerned person. So the versions of story we have heard make it so hard to figure. CB sees people in the garage, talks to his mother and realizes it was HB, but at what point is he informed that the camo man is not DS? We know he talked with his mother before he saw them walking toward the woods, so I can only assume CB was either told by his mother that HB should be at school and that she should not be here. If this is the case, then without any reason for concern, what mother would not ask their adult son to see who these unexpected visitors are? I have thought maybe 911 was called at this time about a possible home invasion, but that throws every other part of the story into chaos. Another possible outcome is that KB ruled out camo man (at this point in the version is an unknown silhouette figure, but in my last couple of posts I am questioning how good of a look CB got at those silhouettes) as DS right then. If that is the case, then CB at the very least should become curious as to who camo man actually is, even if he sees no signs of trouble at that point. The third outcome is complete confusion since CB does not physically see who these people are and makes assumption after assumption and when he talks to his mother, she takes it upon herself to start calling others. Maybe it is at this time that KB talked to DS that morning to find out where he is and this creates a game of playing catch up to everyone who it could logically be that early in the morning at their home. The problem again with this version if there is no reason for concern, why would CB not go see who is there instead of KB calling everyone and very likely wasting a lot of her time when it could of taken CB a minute to find out. From the main story line we have been given the picture has been painted to make it seem like CB had a level of interest in what was happening, but not a level of concern. Couple that with having no version of what happened in CB story after he saw them walk toward the woods together, it leaves the door open for many possible actions after. Things are not always as they appear indeed.
 
  • #249
I wish we knew how KB was so positive that Drew could not be at the house. Having spoken to him on the phone would not rule this possibility out, unless of course she knew for a fact he was many miles away at that very instant.
 
  • #250
That is completely false.

I am unsure how to double quote so will just use your response to JeannieC's statement that you would have to dig up the yard to access a septic system.....there must be different varieties of types of tanks used in different areas, because her statement is absolutely true for the kinds of tanks used around here. There is NO outward access unless the tank is dug up....they are completely covered with dirt and grass and other landscaping materials. We own three rural properties right now that are spread over a hundred miles apart in distance, all three properties have septic systems and NONE of them have outward access in any form. None have ever needed to be accessed since we have owned the properties, but IMO it would be far better to have to dig to address a problem, than to EVER have to even think about the grossness of an open access of any kind! There is no "cap" as I have heard described in other cases, no tube above ground, nothing visible or accessible. I am assuming that the different types used must be dependent upon zoning laws, personal preference, etc.

jmo
 
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I am unsure how to double quote so will just use your response to JeannieC's statement that you would have to dig up the yard to access a septic system.....there must be different varieties of types of tanks used in different areas, because her statement is absolutely true for the kinds of tanks used around here. There is NO outward access unless the tank is dug up....they are completely covered with dirt and grass and other landscaping materials. We own three rural properties right now that are spread over a hundred miles apart in distance, all three properties have septic systems and NONE of them have outward access in any form. None have ever needed to be accessed since we have owned the properties, but IMO it would be far better to have to dig to address a problem, than to EVER have to even think about the grossness of an open access of any kind! There is no "cap" as I have heard described in other cases, no tube above ground, nothing visible or accessible. I am assuming that the different types used must be dependent upon zoning laws, personal preference, etc.

jmo


There are "caps" on all septic tanks...some are buried. Others like ours have been fitted with "towers" that are capped flat above ground to access the tanks in time of need...so that our entire back yard is not dug up and access is immediate to the location of the cap. Many people have had to totally replace their septic tank when a backhoe has busted the tank digging for access.
 
  • #253
There are "caps" on all septic tanks...some are buried. Others like ours have been fitted with "towers" that are capped flat above ground to access the tanks in time of need...so that our entire back yard is not dug up and access is immediate to the location of the cap. Many people have had to totally replace their septic tank when a backhoe has busted the tank digging for access.

I have lived in 11 houses in 4 states with septic tanks and can say I have never had one with anything above ground. This summer 3 of my neighbors had their tanks emptied. All had their yards dug up.
 
  • #254
I don't see why we can't refer to her direct quotes from LE. She tends to actually ask reasona le questions.

It is so difficult to not want to fill in between the lines in this case and ONLY connect the lines we got. It just dont work its impossible with the way the family has been interviewed and asked leading and out of sequenced questions. It doesn't help that the interviews are 2 seconds long either or that Clint seems to focus on explaining what he THOUGHT he saw rather then just the facts. It makes it confusing as all get out.
I don't thinl its fair that people are so hung up on what Clint THOUGHT. Does it really matter? I don't think so. We think crazy things all the time and assume as much as well. Seeing 2 people bending down looking at something at 730am in the garage in rural west tn during peak turkey season knowing Drew is a hunter and assuming that's Holly out there who else would she be with at that hour? Assuming it was Drew was just the logical thing to do and running with the turkey on the garage was also just logic imo. Clint obviously didn't know a good reason explanation of what was going on so he went for the quick simpliest one in his head that made sense. This all happened very quick with not much focus or thought on Clint's part as he was woken up. This could very well just be me trying to connect dots. I really really have trouble seeing Clint as involved. I have tried and it doesn't pan out. Yes his story is a little jumbled and has lot of self reflection but really if he isn't involved the man has enough guilt for china. Just my opinions









I think very highly of Isabelle Zehnder, and her reporting.
 
  • #255
I have lived in 11 houses in 4 states with septic tanks and can say I have never had one with anything above ground. This summer 3 of my neighbors had their tanks emptied. All had their yards dug up.

LOL....not a subject I ever expected to be discussing on any level.....but this is just "how it is done" here. They are referred to as sealed systems and everyone much prefers the chance of having to do a bit of digging in an unusual circumstance to the idea of an exposed cap. It could be an actual zoning regulation....don't really know, as even though I am not the one living on the properties we own.....I would never consider installing one in any other way.

jmo
 
  • #256
I don't see why we can't refer to her direct quotes from LE. She tends to actually ask reasona le questions.

It is so difficult to not want to fill in between the lines in this case and ONLY connect the lines we got. It just dont work its impossible with the way the family has been interviewed and asked leading and out of sequenced questions. It doesn't help that the interviews are 2 seconds long either or that Clint seems to focus on explaining what he THOUGHT he saw rather then just the facts. It makes it confusing as all get out.
I don't thinl its fair that people are so hung up on what Clint THOUGHT. Does it really matter? I don't think so. We think crazy things all the time and assume as much as well. Seeing 2 people bending down looking at something at 730am in the garage in rural west tn during peak turkey season knowing Drew is a hunter and assuming that's Holly out there who else would she be with at that hour? Assuming it was Drew was just the logical thing to do and running with the turkey on the garage was also just logic imo. Clint obviously didn't know a good reason explanation of what was going on so he went for the quick simpliest one in his head that made sense. This all happened very quick with not much focus or thought on Clint's part as he was woken up. This could very well just be me trying to connect dots. I really really have trouble seeing Clint as involved. I have tried and it doesn't pan out. Yes his story is a little jumbled and has lot of self reflection but really if he isn't involved the man has enough guilt for china. Just my opinions

But that begs the question, if he thinks he sees Holly and Drew examing a dead turkey (excuse me while I gag :( ) then why call his mother? I'd just go back to bed...
Or, once again, did he not call his mother, and she called him first instead? I am still unclear on this. When he first spoke to Mom, had Holly already been "led" and/or "walked alongside camo-man" into the woods? Had everything already happened and she was already gone before he and his mother spoke?
 
  • #257
Holly and her 25-year-old brother, Clint Bobo, were living at home and going to college when Holly went missing. Given today's economic landscape, it's not unusual for college students to live at home. Tammy said their school schedules differed and that Holly had classes the morning of her abduction. *
http://www.examiner.com/missing-per...ly-bobo-went-missing?do_not_mobile_redirect=1

Just wanted to post this snipped quote to verify for certain that I infact was wrong in my thinking that Clint was attending college at UT@Martin, TN 77 miles away from Darden.. And therefor his being home that morning the 13th was unusual..<- that is 100% false.. I was wrong!
Jo in Cali was indeed correct in her stating that Clint was living at home at the time of the abduction and therefor his being at home that morning was normal routine..

Just wanted to clarify.. I know ATLEAST for myself it finally clears that issue and now know for certain that not only was Clint living at home, but more importantly the family friend says that it was the standard, normal routine for Holly to be off to her classes in the early morning at UT satellite campus in Parsons.. And that Clint's college class schedule(UT satellite campus in Parson's as well)was opposite her's..Routinely leaving Clint to be at home, sleeping In those early morning hours on weekdays..

Sorry for posting sometime back my incorrect thoughts on Clint's college and living situation at the time Of the abduction:blush:
 
  • #258
LOL....not a subject I ever expected to be discussing on any level.....but this is just "how it is done" here. They are referred to as sealed systems and everyone much prefers the chance of having to do a bit of digging in an unusual circumstance to the idea of an exposed cap. It could be an actual zoning regulation....don't really know, as even though I am not the one living on the properties we own.....I would never consider installing one in any other way.

jmo

Me either...lol It all began with a totally innocent question someone asked about whether the house and septic tank had been searched. (I don't want to go on that search...........) :floorlaugh:
 
  • #259
Wow, considering the number of children that die every year falling in septic systems in which the lid is not properly secured, I'm shocked at how many of you know nothing about them.

Murder victims are often disposed of in septic systems too. It just recently happened in a nationally covered case.

In all cases, I can assure you no one dug up the septic's leach field that you guys are referring to, in order to fall in and die or to dispose of a body.
 
  • #260
So if Clint lived at home and it was not unusual for him to be there in the mornings...why is LE so sure this was done by a local? Just because he managed to get away?

Also, maybe the person, if he knew Holly, did not come with the intention of taking her. Since they were apparently there for some time in the carport/garage, maybe something developed into a situation while he was there? Maybe he came to talk to her and something else happened?
 
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