TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden; believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #34

[Karen Anne RN]

Sort of off-topic.

I found out something interesting from two Facebook gals. Each of them has located a missing person.

I was blown away. Each one of these gals accomplished this on their own.

The one who lives in TN, personally drove quite a ways to the home of a man who had gone missing. She went to help his wife and 4 children, and try to locate him. He had been missing for a while, and there was absolutely no one looking for him. They only had one vehicle, and he had taken it when he left.

She went to a print shop and made 100 fliers, then she plastered them all over town. She listed her cell phone number in the fliers. Then she sat back and waited.

Two days later, she received a call from someone who said that they might know where he was. My friend called and left a voice mail message for a detective, and even though it was a Saturday, he called her back. They went to the location and found the man.

It turned out that the man had recently lost his job, and felt so bad about it, that he felt that his wife and children would be better off without him. He had gotten up as usual, every day for a long time, pretending to go to work. I believe that he spent that time looking for employment, but was not succesful.

When they found him, he had been beaten, and I believe she said robbed. They returned him to his home, and in my opinion, my friend saved his life. He was deeply depressed, and had started drinking. With the loss of the job, the shame he felt, having left home, being robbed, and drinking, made him at high risk for ending his life.

The girl in Oregon located a 17 year old who had run away from home. She located her 4 states away from where she lived. The 17 year old said that her dad had raped her.

She had been living with her mom who is a drug addict, and when her mom was arrested on drug charges, she was sent to live with her father. The father presumably raped her, and so she ran away. LE now has her in a safe place until they investigate.

I think what these two women have done is awesome.

 

[Whisperer]

Amber Dubois's mom found the remains of Michele Le...but we don't have LE keeping every single thing to themselves either out this way.

With Holly, at least we know there was a lunch bag. Does anyone have the exact location of that? Was it tossed or was it placed where it was found. IIRC, the abandoned car with the hunting gear and possible cell phone was near there. I don't recall seeing any news video of either one. Typicaly, a news crew would show us the exact spot and re-enact the possiblities of how the bag got there.

 

[Whisperer]

ullhair:

I am bewildered-help!

I can figure out how we got from active SAR searches to cop/pastes from blogs. and meth corridors.

Where is Holly and where is the best way to look for her?? ddIf LE is following along here, as Oriah mentioned, there has to be a way for us to be able to help them with some solid sleuthing, or have we exhausted it all?

It's a pretty sad day when LE from there are looking here for clues. They should have listened to Tony C and re-enacted the crime. Instead, they tried to arrest him...

If I were a local and LE were monitoring my posts, I would be concerned. It could be a control issue. MO is they want every single person there under their control. I think they are monitoring and watching the locals....and that is the only reason they would be here.

 

[Karen Anne RN]

Amber Dubois's mom found the remains of Michele Le...but we don't have LE keeping every single thing to themselves either out this way.

With Holly, at least we know there was a lunch bag. Does anyone have the exact location of that? Was it tossed or was it placed where it was found. IIRC, the abandoned car with the hunting gear and possible cell phone was near there. I don't recall seeing any news video of either one. Typicaly, a news crew would show us the exact spot and re-enact the possiblities of how the bag got there.

Here is the photo. On D. Graves' property.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/album.php?albumid=1601&pictureid=13842

 

[Karen Anne RN]

It's a pretty sad day when LE from there are looking here for clues. They should have listened to Tony C and re-enacted the crime. Instead, they tried to arrest him...

If I were a local and LE were monitoring my posts, I would be concerned. It could be a control issue. MO is they want every single person there under their control. I think they are monitoring and watching the locals....and that is the only reason they would be here.

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Here is the information ya'll wanted to take another look at. Plus a few extra sites.

Note from our mod: "Names not having to do with Holly's case can not be posted or discussed here. RSO's can be posted and discussed, but only if you can tie them to Holly in some way. For example are they in the area etc. They can be sleuthed as possible suspects."
TBI RSO Registry http://tnmap.state.tn.us/sor/

Although not specifically requested, I am including a link here that ya'll might not ever have seen before.
But with it, comes a request from me. It is my hope that no one will discuss this information on this forum.
It is relevant to the case, and I agree with the information on the page. http://www.sarblog.info/retraction/

Decatur County TN Coon Hunt April 10, 2011 http://www.websleuths.com/forums/album.php?albumid=1601

Property Map, Darden, TN http://tnmap.state.tn.us/assessment/map.aspx?GISLink=039067++++02108

Become a volunteer for CUE: http://www.ncmissingpersons.org/volunteer-online-2/
Areas you might be interested in volunteering:
Administration
Events
Field Work– Search
Fundraising
Deliveries– Pick Up
Family Support
Artwork - Design
Volunteer Coordination
CUE Board Member

OpenLine: HB Disappearance, Part 1 http://tiny.cc/flxmiw I don't know where part 2 is, I've never seen it.

Online training in forensic sciences, ethics, expert testimony, sexual assault response, medicolegal death investigation and more.
Here are some courses; some of them are free, and online. I read that some of these, when completed earn college credits. ( I am starting the" Criminal Profiling: Psychology Contributions to Behavioral Crime Scene Analysis." It's in the form of a video, one hour course.) https://www.forensiced.org/training/alltraining.cfm

National Department of Justice courses: http://www.nij.gov/nij/training/all-courses.htm

 

[Karen Anne RN]

I was so interested in your last point because the thought crossed my mind that Mr. Bobo surely seemed certain about what was in her purse and I was wondering how and why.

I'm guessing that when the family was talking with investigators on Apr.13, they were asked what Holly had with her. Her Mom would know that Holly carried her camera in her purse, etc.

 

[believe09]

It's a pretty sad day when LE from there are looking here for clues. They should have listened to Tony C and re-enacted the crime. Instead, they tried to arrest him...

If I were a local and LE were monitoring my posts, I would be concerned. It could be a control issue. MO is they want every single person there under their control. I think they are monitoring and watching the locals....and that is the only reason they would be here.

Respectfully, I think you have kind of jumped the shark. It seems clear to me that no matter what effort LE is putting forth, it is to be criticized here. The fact is, at the end of the day, no one except for those inside of this investigation have the slightest idea what is going on. Not even Holly's family.

You can choose to believe it is nothing. I dont think there is evidence of that. Example=Karen has recently discovered that there have been on going searches conducted with regularity yet out of the public eye. Failure to find Holly does not mean that there isnt a willingness or a capacity. IMVHO we have a lot of energy focused on quarterbacking here.

Fair enough if there are posters who believe we have nothing substantive to contribute. Someone up thread indicated that most of the locals have disappeared from here. Why is that-does anyone know?

 

[~n/t~]

257


Here is the information ya'll wanted to take another look at. Plus a few extra sites.

Note from our mod: "Names not having to do with Holly's case can not be posted or discussed here. RSO's can be posted and discussed, but only if you can tie them to Holly in some way. For example are they in the area etc. They can be sleuthed as possible suspects."
TBI RSO Registry http://tnmap.state.tn.us/sor/

Although not specifically requested, I am including a link here that ya'll might not ever have seen before.
But with it, comes a request from me. It is my hope that no one will discuss this information on this forum.
It is relevant to the case, and I agree with the information on the page. http://www.sarblog.info/retraction/

Decatur County TN Coon Hunt April 10, 2011 http://www.websleuths.com/forums/album.php?albumid=1601

Property Map, Darden, TN http://tnmap.state.tn.us/assessment/map.aspx?GISLink=039067++++02108

Become a volunteer for CUE: http://www.ncmissingpersons.org/volunteer-online-2/
Areas you might be interested in volunteering:
Administration
Events
Field Work– Search
Fundraising
Deliveries– Pick Up
Family Support
Artwork - Design
Volunteer Coordination
CUE Board Member

OpenLine: HB Disappearance, Part 1 http://tiny.cc/flxmiw I don't know where part 2 is, I've never seen it.

Online training in forensic sciences, ethics, expert testimony, sexual assault response, medicolegal death investigation and more.
Here are some courses; some of them are free, and online. I read that some of these, when completed earn college credits. ( I am starting the" Criminal Profiling: Psychology Contributions to Behavioral Crime Scene Analysis." It's in the form of a video, one hour course.) https://www.forensiced.org/training/alltraining.cfm

National Department of Justice courses: http://www.nij.gov/nij/training/all-courses.htm

Who is SAR blog?

 

[~n/t~]

I'm guessing that when the family was talking with investigators on Apr.13, they were asked what Holly had with her. Her Mom would know that Holly carried her camera in her purse, etc.

So why didn't they mention her purse and camera from the very beginning? That detail being revealed after a year really puzzles me.

 

[~n/t~]

Amber Dubois's mom found the remains of Michele Le...but we don't have LE keeping every single thing to themselves either out this way.

With Holly, at least we know there was a lunch bag. Does anyone have the exact location of that? Was it tossed or was it placed where it was found. IIRC, the abandoned car with the hunting gear and possible cell phone was near there. I don't recall seeing any news video of either one. Typicaly, a news crew would show us the exact spot and re-enact the possiblities of how the bag got there.

Mr. Bobo believes all the items found were planted. Maybe that's why he came out a year later to tell the public about her purse? Is that the only item still missing? Her purse with the camera?

 

[~n/t~]

Any updates on the search held at the end of July? Were those 3 roads eliminated from the grid search? Are they expanding their searches?

 

[Karen Anne RN]

Respectfully, I think you have kind of jumped the shark. It seems clear to me that no matter what effort LE is putting forth, it is to be criticized here. The fact is, at the end of the day, no one except for those inside of this investigation have the slightest idea what is going on. Not even Holly's family.

You can choose to believe it is nothing. I dont think there is evidence of that. Example=Karen has recently discovered that there have been on going searches conducted with regularity yet out of the public eye. Failure to find Holly does not mean that there isnt a willingness or a capacity. IMVHO we have a lot of energy focused on quarterbacking here.

Fair enough if there are posters who believe we have nothing substantive to contribute. Someone up thread indicated that most of the locals have disappeared from here. Why is that-does anyone know?

(BBM)

Those are the ones done by the private SAR group.

Since May 2011, I think I remember 2 LE searches. :/

The SAR group has done appx 32.

 

[Karen Anne RN]

Who is SAR blog?

In their "About" page, they write:

"The purpose of The SAR Blog is to share information, create discussion and be a general area for all things Search & Rescue Blog.

Blogs:
We have two active blogs. The main page is a blog with training and general SAR information. The second blog is on the News about SAR page. This is all news stories about SAR and searches."

A National SAR group.

 

[cluciano63]

Are these SAR's grioup coordinating with LE?

Oriah is is normal for SARS groups to work without LE's advice/permission/whatever? Are they just doing this on their own? I am confused...even if a family wants searches done, don't they work with LE?

 

[Karen Anne RN]

So why didn't they mention her purse and camera from the very beginning? That detail being revealed after a year really puzzles me.

Because they, like most families, try to follow what LE tells them what to do and what to not do, what to say, what not to say.

 

[~n/t~]

Because they, like most families, try to follow what LE tells them what to do and what to not do, what to say, what not to say.

I'll have to disagree with you on that. There is absolutely no reason LE would tell a family not to include the missing person's belongings as part of the items. We know she wore flip flops. We know she had a lunch bag. We know she had a cell phone. We know what she was wearing.

There is absolutely no logical reason why they would withhold the purse and camera detail unless there is more to it than the public should know. What was on that camera????

 

[Karen Anne RN]

Any updates on the search held at the end of July? Were those 3 roads eliminated from the grid search? Are they expanding their searches?

The SAR group that has been searching since last year, search again Aug 11 & 12.

They don't release any information to the public about what they find, and they don't even put out the info on where each new upcoming search will be, until just before the search is scheduled. I would imagine to keep others from going to the area ahead of time, and possibly contaminating a possible crime scene. (If that makes sense.)

I don't know if they found anything.

In light of the fact that they have searched appx twice a month for 16 months, it is my opinion from what I have heard, that they will continue to come here regularly.

Monica will be here this month too.

 

[wishuwerehere]

So why didn't they mention her purse and camera from the very beginning? That detail being revealed after a year really puzzles me.

Also, what about her wallet, driver's license, student ID, debit card, etc. Were these things found, or should the public be looking for these items?

ETA: What about jewelry? If something ends up in a pawn shop, two states away, how are we to help? Any descriptions out there?

 

[believe09]

(BBM)

Those are the ones done by the private SAR group.

Since May 2011, I think I remember 2 LE searches. :/

The SAR group has done appx 32.

Private groups are frequently .orgs whose services are free. A relief for cash strapped departments A professional SAR group is only as good as the information they receive from inside of the investigation, so I am willing to bet that there is cooperation there.

Respectfully, how do we know that there havent been a hundred LE driven searches? They probably arent notifying the media or even family. JMVHO.

 

[dejavoodoo64]

I'll have to disagree with you on that. There is absolutely no reason LE would tell a family not to include the missing person's belongings as part of the items. We know she wore flip flops. We know she had a lunch bag. We know she had a cell phone. We know what she was wearing.

There is absolutely no logical reason why they would withhold the purse and camera detail unless there is more to it than the public should know. What was on that camera????

Thats what I've been wondering since the purse and camera weren't mentioned when Holly went missing. I guess all of us can think of some things that could be on a camera that might of resulted in Holly being abducted. JMO that we can anyway.