TN - Holly Bobo, 20, Darden; believed abducted 13 April 2011 - #35

[wfgodot]

In case anyone who hasn't should want to bookmark these, here are the three CNN transcripts:

Nancy Grace*, 04.20.11

Jane Velez Mitchell, 05.13.11

Jane Velez Mitchell, 08.04.11

* Deborah Norville guest host

 

[reedus23]

Reedus--- That still makes no sense to me.

My girlfriend stepped on glass one time and screamed. Her brother and I were in the living room and we ran out to check this out to see what happened.

Her dad was also in the room and no one said "Go Get a Gun"?

Just because of a scream??

IMHO the real crux of this case lies in what the mom and Karen know possibly about any type of relationship they knew about the perp. Because it's clear as day they know something more than what's been divulged in the news.

Ok, now if you heard her scream, ran to check on her, and saw a stranger taking her into the woods, you're telling me you wouldn't go after them?

 

[~n/t~]

I haven't followed this case at all, or anyone's postings. I did read one article online covering the case, and looked at the statistics for Darden. Sometimes this fresh eyes approach can be helpful, or at least reinforces the general theory on what probably happened. Here are my first impressions:

My very first thought was that this is an especially pretty girl. All american, church going, etc. I think this is absolutely a case of obsession and possesion. I truly think there is still a chance that she is alive, being held as an object of obsession. Similar to having a beautiful bird captured in a cage. The only contrast to the theory is in that scenario, I don't see a violent abduction with duct tape and blood such as was found. I would have thought abduction by means of trickery for someone that is worshipped, or obsessed with. So that doesn't add up in my mind.
The camoflage obviously makes me think of a hunter, or a military man. Someone carrying off a mission, or hunting. The word obsession keeps coming to mind over and over. Such a pretty girl could very well be the victim of an obsessed mind.
I see there are three registered sex offenders in Darden. That seems like alot for such a small population. I assume they have been cleared and were first on the interview list.
This is a local who knew the woods, was an avid hunter. Darden is a blue collar town full of trades people. It wouldn't be unlikely for them to buying duct tape.
The fact she was "led away" vs. fighting ferociously is quite interesting. Blood *was* found, so maybe she did put up a fight until a gun was held to her side, or? Maybe she was pistol whipped and dazed?
So all this rambling isn't amounting to a hill of beans except that I do think this perp had been around her for quite a while, and is a known. He's a local who is a tradesman and who is a skilled hunter. He might be ex military; foot soldier. He might even have a hunting cabin tucked away somewhere. She is his bird in a cage. I think, while slim, there is still a remote chance this lovely girl is still alive. I pray this slim chance is right.
Prayers to Holly and her family.

Welcome aboard. Fresh eyes is a good thing when it comes to this case.

 

[Xavier]

[QUOTE=reedus23;8564502]Ok, now if you heard her scream, ran to check on her, and saw a stranger taking her into the woods, you're telling me you wouldn't go after them?[/QUOTE]

I would trail them to the woods.

But, it's not about me. It's that Clint, the neighbor and LE were all there almost at the same time.

Obviously, Clint with a gun outside with LE nearby , sorry but that ain't happening. LE would've made Clint drop the gun on the spot.

LE had a chaotic scene to handle and that's why IMO they placed Clint in the police crusier.

Also, maybe LE held off from trailing them in the woods for fear of an ambush. Maybe LE was waiting for back up.

Regardless of Clint or anyone else did'nt do, IMO the perp wanted her for himself, sort of a prized trophy. And I think Holly was naive enough to go along with the perp.

Hopefully, shes alive. But, holding her for 2 years now without a clue or an attempted phone call home, everyday it looks like she's likely not alive.

 

[Xavier]

Do you have a link that there even is a mystery guy they know about.

The mystery guy = Perp who took Holly.

Do you know how took Holly?

 

[CanManEh]

I don't find it hard to believe the niebhour heard a scream that far away for the simply fact of where they lived all that tree's and open area it would echo for a long ways a way.

 

[Whisperer]

I agree. I know sound travels in open areas...but why didn't Clint here her? I know..I was told he was sleeping. He must sleep really sound.

 

[Suthrnqt]

Just thinking out loud here.........was the gun that Clint grabbed ever tested to see if it had been recently fired??? Or were his hands tested for GSR??? Just throwing it out there.

 

[~n/t~]

Just thinking out loud here.........was the gun that Clint grabbed ever tested to see if it had been recently fired??? Or were his hands tested for GSR??? Just throwing it out there.

If it was, we weren't told. My understanding is he never got a chance to fire the weapon. Neighbour and LE arrived on the property before he was able to go after the perp with his gun.

 

[reedus23]

[QUOTE=reedus23;8564502]Ok, now if you heard her scream, ran to check on her, and saw a stranger taking her into the woods, you're telling me you wouldn't go after them?

I would trail them to the woods.

But, it's not about me. It's that Clint, the neighbor and LE were all there almost at the same time.

Obviously, Clint with a gun outside with LE nearby , sorry but that ain't happening. LE would've made Clint drop the gun on the spot.

LE had a chaotic scene to handle and that's why IMO they placed Clint in the police crusier.

Also, maybe LE held off from trailing them in the woods for fear of an ambush. Maybe LE was waiting for back up.

Regardless of Clint or anyone else did'nt do, IMO the perp wanted her for himself, sort of a prized trophy. And I think Holly was naive enough to go along with the perp.

Hopefully, shes alive. But, holding her for 2 years now without a clue or an attempted phone call home, everyday it looks like she's likely not alive.[/QUOTE]

The hypothetical you put forth was in relation to KB's state of mind and why she reacted the way she did, not CB. The problem was, your hypothetical left off the fact KB also knew it couldn't be the bf with Holly. Since, after adding that fact to the hypothetical, you say you would follow them into the woods, I assume it is because you fear something bad may be happening. Therefore it is reasonable to believe KB thought something was bad was happening too.

Also, there is nothing to say LE didn't take the gun from CB when they arrived. I agree with you that I don't think LE would allow him to continue being on the seen with the gun and therefore feel it is safe to assume they took the gun from CB upon arrival.

 

[reedus23]

The mystery guy = Perp who took Holly.

Do you know how took Holly?

I have no idea who took Holly. If I did, we all wouldn't be trying to hash it out. I only asked because you spoke like it was fact that KB knew of a mystery man. It is possible and I am sure there were names that jumped into KB's mind, but I don't think she knew who it was.

 

[Hatfield]

Like you, clu, I'm exhausted with it. Until they release the 911 tapes, I can't go anywhere with this case. It is truly sickening that after all this time, we are still left wondering about simple things:
1. The 911 calls
2. The "flurry" of calls between Holly, her mom, her beau
3. The items found (other than the lunch bag/tote)
4. Holly's timeline on the days leading up to her disappearance, especially the
preceding 24 hours.
5. Crime scene photos of things like the soda can by Holly's car,
the blood "pool" or "spatter" or "drips" (have we ever had a straight answer about this very basic evidence?),
and the reported flip flop that belonged to her

Certainly, after all this time, a few information releases won't hurt the case. They can always hold some things back...I understand that. But TBI does such a pi**-poor job of using the public to their advantage and its extremely frustrating to be on this end. When compared to cases in other locations, Tennessee flunks in efficiency with missing persons cases.
I have said at least 100 times: Release the 911 calls.
This will tell us exactly who made the calls, exactly when the calls were made, and exactly what was said in those important moments when Holly was being taken.

Great post, and I totally agree.

IMO
We go around and around with a lot of the same basic questions and concerns because there has never been an official LE spokesperson that has provided an official version of events.

This is a serious situatioin with a possibly murdered person, and it requires some person in an official capacity to provide an official statement on what occurred and where they are at in the investigation. Some sort of official LE release of information sure would help in my opinion. At a minimum, it may help clear up the events of that morning.

There are too many unknowns and still a lot of good open questions that may never get answered until more is known.

I keep hoping and praying that she can be found someday. I will keep checking in on occasion to see if anything new surfaces. I think as the years pass, it may help someone finally come forward to LE to turn in someone they know or themselves.

 

[Whisperer]

I don't recall Clint saying LE arrived when he was holding the gun. I recall him saying he got the gun and the neighbor showed up.

I recall Clint being mad everyone was walking into the woods and, in his opinion, was ruining the crime scene. That would be the last thing on my mind...

 

[Xavier]

I found this link of a "suspect" LE has had thier eyes on. I thought this is very interesting since this suspect, Paul Winkelbleck fits the 5'11, 200lb physique reported by Clint Bobo and also he is known to wear camo clothes and impersonates a LE officer. He's suspected in the disappearances of other young women.

You have to scroll way down to get to the Holly Bobo information. I hope this helps since this story was posted maybe one week ago Nov 11, 2012.

http://pibillwarner.wordpress.com/



M.O. of wanted sex offender Paul Winklebleck: Modus operandi is a Latin phrase, approximately translated as “method of operation”. The term is used to describe someone’s habits or manner of working. In English, it is often shortened to M.O. The expression is often used in police work when discussing a crime and addressing the methods employed by the perpetrators. It is also used in criminal profiling, where it can help in finding clues to the offender’s psychology. It largely consists of examining the actions used by the individual to execute the crime, prevent its detection and/or facilitate escape. A suspect’s modus operandi can assist in his identification, apprehension or repression, and can also be used to determine links between crimes.

The two women who were kidnapped by Paul Winklebleck believed that he was a cop and agreed to let him drive them home in their car. Once the women were inside the vehicle, Winklebleck displayed a knife, drove south on Interstate 5 and took the Detroit Lake exit near Salem OR. WANTED: Sex offender Paul Evans Winklebleck wears camouflage clothing is 5′ 11″ tall and weighs 200 pounds he fits the profile of the man who kidnapped Holly Bobo.

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[reedus23]

Does he have links to the Parsons area? I can obviously be wrong, but I have always felt that the perp was someone familiar with the area, the roads, the Bobo's. Just my two cents.

 

[ChristYTN]

Hi everyone! New member here.
I've always followed crime stories, but the Megan Sharpton case hit close to home (literally). My heart is broken a million times over for her family and friends
I've heard rumblings from many that the suspect that was indicted in her case , could be a major suspect in Holly's case. Not sure how to find the info, but apparently he was working in that area when Holly disappeared. (he worked for a company that built hotels).


anyone here have any perspective on that? Seems to many that Megan was his undoing, but he's not a stranger to sexual assault, kidnapping, and imo, murder.

I've read through many threads and posts here, and its all so sad.

Thanks and I think I will enjoy my time here.

 

[wfgodot]

Hello and welcome to WS, ChristYTN.

 

[sleepwalker]

http://www.wmctv.com/story/17031447/sheriff-evidence-found-in-holly-bobo-disappearance Still keeping my fingers crossed for her.

 

[EnBrown]

Still nothing about the remains in Elizabethtown. Very frustrating.

 

[~n/t~]

Still nothing about the remains in Elizabethtown. Very frustrating.

In Pennsylvania? Or is there something I'm missing?:waitasec: