TN - Joann, 31, & Adrienne Bain, 14, Whiteville, 27 April 2012 - #5

  • #761
Do you have a link for that?

The articles I've read just say "a family member" which could be the sister, wife, mother or father.

I will try to find it. I just remember the quote "she was just mad because we kicked her out of the house" (paraphrasing).

Or maybe I am confused, which happens quite often. LOL

I'll try to come back with a link. :)
 
  • #762
But... she is the one who pushed him into becoming a daredevil. She's the one who pushes him away every time she lectures him by phone. Or calls sobbing because she's afraid of what she thinks he might do next.

She needed to get therapy a long time before he was born and she has refused to even consider it. She thinks she's the only sane one and the rest of the world is crazy. And she thinks the craziest one is her own son.

She's afraid of the world and she would have been perfectly happy if her children had been afraid of the world as well.

Respectfully snipped for space.

I never thought about that. Do the opposite. I guess that does happen with kids! :)

That is very sad about the mom though. I truly feel sorry for people who live their life afraid of everything.
 
  • #763
  • #764
Just going to call this freak what he was--a PEDOPHILE. Do not feel it necessary to be politically correct in this situation at all! Why kill a loving mother and 14 yr old sister? To be a better parent? Nah! I think we know what his intent was, and it was not to be a good parent. May he burn in hell and feel the fire for eternity! Now for loving thoughts to these 2 little girls who have lost so much. <3

May the court go to extra lengths to ensure that these girls have the best of homes. Even if with none of their former family, but at least together.
 
  • #765
Just going to call this freak what he was--a PEDOPHILE. Do not feel it necessary to be politically correct in this situation at all! Why kill a loving mother and 14 yr old sister? To be a better parent? Nah! I think we know what his intent was, and it was not to be a good parent. May he burn in hell and feel the fire for eternity! Now for loving thoughts to these 2 little girls who have lost so much. <3

I hope AM burns in hell! But I don't think his original intent was to molest these girls. Because of his illness, I think he truly believe the two youngest were his children. I personally don't believe he ever molested any of these children. I could be wrong, and if I am, I will be the first to admit that. AM was sick, in ways that many of us could never fully understand. From his post on FB and their (the family's) as well as their family's acceptance of AM relationship that leads me to believe, the out come, could NOT have been predicted!
 
  • #766
He has several siblings, but I could have sworn it was just ONE sister and the rest brothers. I may be wrong though. And it was definitely stated that that is was a sister that made the accusations and not a brother.

There are/were two sisters, both born in Cleveland County NC. I have no idea which one made the report, but I know of two sisters.
 
  • #767
I hope AM burns in hell! But I don't think his original intent was to molest these girls. Because of his illness, I think he truly believe the two youngest were his children. I personally don't believe he ever molested any of these children. I could be wrong, and if I am, I will be the first to admit that. AM was sick, in ways that many of us could never fully understand. From his post on FB and their (the family's) as well as their family's acceptance of AM relationship that leads me to believe, the out come, could NOT have been predicted!

Respectfully BBM.

What illness did Adam M suffer from?
 
  • #768
I just had a hard time tracking the posts down as well, without first going to MJ's page first. (Facebook is tricky for me, now that the timeline has come along!)

Here are the links. (Both from the public media page.)

https://www.facebook.com/wreg3/posts/385748754810074
MJ's comment is currently 10th or 11th from the bottom.

https://www.facebook.com/wreg3/posts/440166016012110
MJ's is one of the last comments on this post (he says the same thing as he did on the other post) and TB's is about 20 comments above his.

MJ is taking a lot of heat.....he seems to be pretty level headed....on these posts anyway (I know, not a lot of evidence, but.....).
 
  • #769
I will try to find it. I just remember the quote "she was just mad because we kicked her out of the house" (paraphrasing).

Or maybe I am confused, which happens quite often. LOL

I'll try to come back with a link. :)

In the media reports, it was clear that AM thought it was his sister (or claimed it was his sister). But usually investigators don't reveal the name of the person making the complaint.

So AM assumed it was his sister but it could have been any one of a number of people.
 
  • #770
I am an EXTREMELY cautious mom because of the things I have learned on not only WB, but because of my not defunct blog 'Southern Sass".

Just last year, my son taught me that my obsessive behavior regarding him wasn't obsessive but teaching.

We were at a river, that many of our friend have been to. Many of these children of our friends had jumped off these rocks at this 'park'. My son was hesitant although you could tell he really wanted to jump too.

I told him, "Would I let you do anything I thought you would get hurt at?" He smiled and jumped! I was soooo exicted!

He knows! As every child should know, not only is their instinct right, but their parents are their to protect them as well.
Slightly OT. So now I have to tell the funny story of "Would I let you do anything where I thought you would get hurt?" Went on a trip with six (mostly unrelated) kids ages 11-16 and another adult in tow. We were walking a long ways down a stream with some dry area to each side in a canyon, the kids were in pairs each some distance apart with a meeting place at the end. (lots of people around). The stream was anywhere from ankle deep to chest level, everyone could swim, the current not too strong. Except one place. A tree (about five feet tall on it's side) had fallen blocking the dry area, and there was a rock that people had been jumping off earlier at the end. We had already gone past one direction and were heading back. Everyone else climbed over the tree, but I was having trouble with one leg, so I decided to go around the rock and float down the river, then climb back out. I stepped off of the river bank and it dropped off quickly (obviously, since others had been jumping off) and the mild current is suddenly pretty strong and splats me up against the rock. I can't move, I am spread eagled against this rock. My arms aren't long enough to push off and get around. My feet have no purchase, because there is a cut under the rock that you cannot see from the top. Fortunately, I was holding my hiking stick, so I used that to push off the rock and get around.

Would I let them do anything I thought they would get hurt at? I sure didn't think so, but I still cringe when I think of one of those kids possibly getting sucked under that rock. And yet, that is still one of their favorite trips, ever. Another one of those "That which does not kill you makes you smarter." lessons.
 
  • #771
In the media reports, it was clear that AM thought it was his sister (or claimed it was his sister). But usually investigators don't reveal the name of the person making the complaint.

So AM assumed it was his sister but it could have been any one of a number of people.

It was a pretty specific complaint about him being in the bathroom with the child. How would he not know who made this complaint?
 
  • #772
I've also read the family was told to stay out of the public. I'm assuming because there's too much out there the girls don't need to hear or able to deal with now. Maybe his intentions were to get completely away from where this is so public. I remember some people on here saying they have relatives that didn't hear about the kidnapping when it was going on. Maybe he thought the girls could enjoy some type of normalcy outside of their home for the summer, unfortunately now it's been made public. MJ was complaining LE wasn't telling him anything, well hello.
They can go to California and still get some kind of normalcy outside of their home for summer. California is huge with a lot of beaches. Out on the beach in the summer in SO CAL alone, no one would have any idea who that family is.
 
  • #773
It was a pretty specific complaint about him being in the bathroom with the child. How would he not know who made this complaint?

If he was in the bathroom with the child, he would know for sure.

If he wasn't in the bathroom with the child, he would not know but he could still make an assumption.

LE and CPS did decide the report was unsubstantiated.

I'm on the fence as to whether AM was a pedophile or delusional. I haven't seen enough solid evidence to make a decision either way.
 
  • #774
Found a link:

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2...previously-investigated-for-sexual-abuse?lite

From article:
Mayes claimed that his sister made up the accusations because she was angry at him and his wife, Teresa, for kicking her out of their house a few months previously.

If he had shaved the 6 yr. olds legs, wouldn't there have been evidence of that? Even if by the time of the report the hair had grown back, it would have a difference appearance. Granted the child could have swiped her older sister's razor and done this on her own but I would think as a parent I would have noticed that my young child had shaved her legs or had them shaven for her. Not that this would have been proof for CPS but it would have been evidence enough for me. IMO
 
  • #775
I hope he means this and I hope he sticks to it.
I think it would have been more effective if he'd started out with this attitude... but hopefully Gary and Alex will still be open to the idea.

I wonder what he has told his own little twins? They have to know about both Alex and Adrienne.
How does he plan to address it with THEM if Alex does come to visit, alone?

I personally find it hard to believe that the girls are unaware that their mother and sister are dead.
I'm pretty sure the first thing they would have asked would have been where they were. Especially once they went home. :twocents:

MJ stated on his Fb page that after much thought and consideration, he has come to the conclusion that he doesn't have it in his heart to separate AB from her sister but that he does wish to sit down with GB and work something out. (Presumably visits, IMO.)

He has publicly admitted (on FB) that he knows he made mistakes with his daughters. It's horrible that sometimes it takes a tragedy to realize how much mistakes have cost you, as I believe sadly is the case here. I believe he is in deep mourning over the loss of both AB and JB and will probably live his entire life with gut-wrenching regret and heartache. Whatever his reasons for giving up legal custody, nobody deserves that.

It's natural and easy for us to judge situations and relationships which we know very little about. But in reality, the fact that he isn't the legal father doesn't change that he (along with his side of the family) is suffering from this horrific tragedy.

The interest of the two surviving girls should obviously should be placed first and foremost. I believe that GB and MJ both have good hearts and will continue to take any and all steps necessary to put AB and KB on the path to recovery and healing. I believe that they are surrounded my so much love and support and, although the path will be tough, these brave little girls are going to be okay.

MOO
 
  • #776
I'm not believing MJ for one second. He's already showed me who he is and it has been all about him. Yes, without him AB and AB wouldn't be, but don't go butting back in when you walked out, unless you are invited back in. I don't trust his intentions now and how easy would it be to say he has no intentions of pushing this case, only to be keeping it on the down low then hitting them with it later. Wonder if he's made a visit to some attorneys and they told him to bad, so sad.

I personally think it would be good to get these girls out of TN and back to AZ or wherever. That is the reason I asked about where all the Mayes clan is now. Hoping there is none even close to where this family will be living. They deserve a fresh start free from all of that.

MOO
 
  • #777
MJ stated on his Fb page that after much thought and consideration, he has come to the conclusion that he doesn't have it in his heart to separate AB from her sister but that he does wish to sit down with GB and work something out. (Presumably visits, IMO.)

He has publicly admitted (on FB) that he knows he made mistakes with his daughters. It's horrible that sometimes it takes a tragedy to realize how much mistakes have cost you, as I believe sadly is the case here. I believe he is in deep mourning over the loss of both AB and JB and will probably live his entire life with gut-wrenching regret and heartache. Whatever his reasons for giving up legal custody, nobody deserves that.

It's natural and easy for us to judge situations and relationships which we know very little about. But in reality, the fact that he isn't the legal father doesn't change that he (along with his side of the family) is suffering from this horrific tragedy.

The interest of the two surviving girls should obviously should be placed first and foremost. I believe that GB and MJ both have good hearts and will continue to take any and all steps necessary to put AB and KB on the path to recovery and healing. I believe that they are surrounded my so much love and support and, although the path will be tough, these brave little girls are going to be okay.

MOO

How long has it been since MJ saw his daughters?
When had he last spoken to either of them?

He gave them up and im sorry i have no empathy for him in this.
Dont make this child adapt to another new situation oif he has been out of the pic for a long time its just not right this child is dealing with so much...

You cant give them away and then when tragedy strikes ya want them back in your life!
these are children.....
 
  • #778
I'm not believing MJ for one second. He's already showed me who he is and it has been all about him. Yes, without him AB and AB wouldn't be, but don't go butting back in when you walked out, unless you are invited back in. I don't trust his intentions now and how easy would it be to say he has no intentions of pushing this case, only to be keeping it on the down low then hitting them with it later. Wonder if he's made a visit to some attorneys and they told him to bad, so sad.

I personally think it would be good to get these girls out of TN and back to AZ or wherever. That is the reason I asked about where all the Mayes clan is now. Hoping there is none even close to where this family will be living. They deserve a fresh start free from all of that.

MOO

I agree these ppl see dollar signs!
Movies
book deals
Publicity!

YaDaYaDaYaDa.


Leave her alone MJ!!!!!!
 
  • #779
Good morning everyone. First post here, but I have been following this thread since it began and finally registered.
This case has had several twist and turns.

I would like to comment on a few things and these are my opinion only.
MJ, biodad. I believe I read on his FB page that he made mistakes, but loves the girls. I take this at face value. Like others have stated, he did not foresee bad things happening, he let GB adopt the girls for reasons unknown, but we speculate that it was to give the girls a better life. When JB, AB, AB and KB went missing and JB and AB were found deceased this had to be something unforeseeable to him and was quite a shock to him. I would imagine a sense of panic set in. I did see him posting pictures ( FBI wanted posters) of all the girls and his ex wife. Never saw a disparaging word about any of them. (had this been myself missing, my ex would be posting things as the wench did this, hope she dies, but find my child). When AB and KB were found, I think he felt a great sense of relief and guilt on his part that he was helpless in all of this. He lost a daughter and never wanted to come close again to losing the other and reacted with the wanting custody declaration. I do not think he thought it out, it was a decision made out of fear, relief, guilt, panic,grief, sadness, elation for the two girls being found safe and shock. Yes he made a rash decision, but I do not think he made it with malice.
As for GB, we have heard nothing about him via the media, friends or relatives. I do not recall seeing anything negative about him directly by JB on her FB page. The venting statement she made could mean anything. As does the stupid people statement. Unfortunately they were made prior to the disappearance, hence speculation as to what they refer to. Granted he is 60 and like others wonder why a woman in her early 30's would marry a man 30 years older. I can only speculate, but that does not make it fact. I do believe he has and still is being investigated by LE and CPS, not as a suspect, but to determine that the girls should remain with him. Right now I think they should.

As for CPS allegations, yes it raises a red flag, but I also know that people make false allegations all the time and CPS has to investigate them. CPS are relentless as well. How do I know? My ex wanted custody of our child and instead of petitioning the courts, he decided it would be faster to strip my parental rights. I had allegation after allegation of abuse to our child and each time was investigated. I had meetings, my home visited several times, photos taken of my home. CPS did not show up during normal business hours either, instead trying to catch you when least expected. When allegations started coming in from people I did not know....no they do not tell you who makes them, but in these meetings discussions take place as to family relations, acquaintances and people you associate with. My ex made a bad mistake though....CPS was not leaning his way and he threatened them by telling them he would have their jobs. My case was unfounded. That did not stop my ex from attempting to get another county CPS into investigating me though. he took our child to the doctors under the second opinion guise for a medical problem to a major city several hours away. Why? Because making allegations to a medical professional, they are obligated to report it. I hated CPS because not only did they make my life miserable, they were making the life of my child miserable as well. CPS is more than eager to remove a child and even suggested removing the child to a relative that my ex picked out. I would have agreed, but it was not going to stop the plan my ex was attempting. Happy to say that years later, my child is back in my life and slowly I get bits and pieces of things. While my experience with CPS is a bit extreme and bizarre, it does happen a lot especially in custody cases.
Another CPS case I know of is a person where I worked was different. Some people did not like her and one got mad for something she corrected them on. The girl retaliated by making allegations of abuse about her kids. Just saying people make allegations as a way to hurt and for revenge.

I agree the appearance of AM is something that makes people be on guard. I think this is conditioning that people like him are no good. Well I was like that and still am to some degree, but I learned years ago that judging by appearances, money, job, etc don;t always result in the first impression. My best friend introduced me to her boyfriend at the time, years ago. He was scary looking to me and my first impression was he did drugs or dealt drugs and possibly ignored the law more than once. he came from a broken home, no family contact, did not hold a good paying job, but had enough money for him and for dates with her. It took some time and sleuthing on my part, but this guy was not the person I thought he was. As for the drugs, he was adamantly opposed to anyone doing drugs and refused to have any contact with anyone even with a suspicion of drug use. I would have never guessed that. He was protective of her, never laid a hand on her and was happy. They eventually parted ways because he did not feel he could provide enough and in a way he felt she deserved. They remain friends to this day, but she eventually married and her husband appears as the nicest guy (clean cut, professional looking, etc) there is. Bad part, my red flag meter is on high alert with this guy. Yes I was correct about the red flag meter about him as well. Point being made is you can't judge by appearances.

This is an extremely disturbing case and several lives have been changed forever. The important part is that AB and KB feel and are safe, loved and protected. I believe that all the agencies are working in concert to make this happen.
 
  • #780
Bain family focused on healing

... [ B ] family representative said family members are not talking for fear of influencing the ongoing investigation ...

... rumors swirled that [AM] was the father ... that is a rumor ...

"Let me emphatically say there's no way that [AM] is the father of any of these children," said L*. "And that when confronted about that, [AM] would say, 'Oh, I know I'm not the father, I just love them like I'm their father.'"

[GB], ... , said he is focused squarely on his young daughters and their healing.

http://www.kctv5.com/story/18420542/bain-family-focused-on-healing
 

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