TN - Jonathan Goodrum & Kristina Sawyer for rape of newborn, McKenzie, 2006

[Mabel]

It seems like a little one day old baby who was "raped" would suffer horrendous internal damage, not just a few skin tears. As horrid as this story is, perhaps it's not as bad as it could be.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Here is my problem.....

THe hospital reported it ... Of course they HAD to incase of further health problems ...WHich I don't understand how there could NOT be.

That being said ... if a hospital worker was involved it would be easy for them to cover themselves and the hospital may well do the same if it thought it was an employee.. Then they call the police and report it??
Its pretty damn easy to blame a practically homeless teenager.

I dont see how the parents would ever have the oppurtunity. First off the article did not indicate other children so I must assume their hospital maternity ward experience is minimal..
Come on moms.... they come in and out of your room ALL the time!!

I think it is more likely that some hospital employee who is in the position to know schedules, take babies without question for a time, and cover their own butts is more likely.

For that matter.... in light of no serious life threatening health issue, which I can't imagine if this took place as described ..I wonder if it was a sexual thing at all??
I mean possibly some new nurse took the babies temp wrong and caused injury?

I see what you're saying, but why just this one baby? Why not others? People who do this sort of thing don't just stop. You think the perp could have moved on?

 

[Amraann]

I think it would be rare in the absence of the need to look that anyone would notice..

I know the hospital is claiming this thourough exam ....
I can tell you first hand I don't recall the hospital ever changing a diaper once I was out of recovery.

Also and this is gross I MUST only conclude that this was not penitration.
Maybe digital? But there is no way that this was the type of attack we are thinking of or this child would be barely alive.
That is why I said it could be they had to report "some injury" and it could have likely been due to a medical procedure administered poorly.
Possibly a nurse not privvy to the mistake noticed the injury and reported it?
The only option at the point is the hospital to cover their butts?

 

[Jeana (DP)]

I think it would be rare in the absence of the need to look that anyone would notice..

I know the hospital is claiming this thourough exam ....
I can tell you first hand I don't recall the hospital ever changing a diaper once I was out of recovery.

Also and this is gross I MUST only conclude that this was not penitration.
Maybe digital? But there is no way that this was the type of attack we are thinking of or this child would be barely alive.
That is why I said it could be they had to report "some injury" and it could have likely been due to a medical procedure administered poorly.
Possibly a nurse not privvy to the mistake noticed the injury and reported it?
The only option at the point is the hospital to cover their butts?

I know this isn't a joking matter, but the first thing that came to mind is the MONSTER who did this probably has a dick the size of a peanut and that's one of his major problems. :doh: :doh: :doh:

 

[Masissy]

I know this isn't a joking matter, but the first thing that came to mind is the MONSTER who did this probably has a dick the size of a peanut and that's one of his major problems. :doh: :doh: :doh:

or a bird's tongue. Sick .....

 

[Floh]

What does living in a Value 8 motel mean? people live in motels? excuse me for my ignorance, but i would have thought living in a motel would be more expensive than an apartment?

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

I can't imagine that this would happen in the hospital room and the mother not "be a part of it" or nobody hearing that different cry.

I'm definitely interested in how this turns out in terms of the mother's involvement. I don't know if she was given pain med's or sleeping pills so maybe she took a nap figuring that Daddy would take care of the baby while she recuperated.

About the different cry, I know what you mean. However, since the baby had just been born that day, I don't know that anyone would know it was a "different" cry as they would have had nothing to compare it to. Some babies scream bloody murder; some have a small, raspy cry like my little ones did. So maybe it wouldn't have sounded any alarms. In my personal experiences, I couldn't tell my children's cries apart until I had known them for a little while. (I hope that doesn't make me a bad mom!)

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Then they call the police and report it??
Its pretty damn easy to blame a practically homeless teenager.

My problem is that they noticed the skin tears near the rectum, suspected sexual assault, reported it to the police, and then let the baby go home with those parents??? Or am I missing something?

 

[Jeana (DP)]

I'm definitely interested in how this turns out in terms of the mother's involvement. I don't know if she was given pain med's or sleeping pills so maybe she took a nap figuring that Daddy would take care of the baby while she recuperated.

About the different cry, I know what you mean. However, since the baby had just been born that day, I don't know that anyone would know it was a "different" cry as they would have had nothing to compare it to. Some babies scream bloody murder; some have a small, raspy cry like my little ones did. So maybe it wouldn't have sounded any alarms. In my personal experiences, I couldn't tell my children's cries apart until I had known them for a little while. (I hope that doesn't make me a bad mom!)

I've had three kids. I think there is a definate difference in cries. When they do that heel poke blood test and they've got to fill in those rings with the baby's blood, my kids scream sounded like a cat being skinned and with my last baby, the nurse came pretty close to being punched in the head by me. If this baby was hurting, as I would expect her to be, I think the cries would be diff. :twocents:

 

[montana_16]

This is such a hard case to figure.


Question. Are nurses allowed to wear those fake fingernails? Even short ones?
If so, maybe one was taking the baby's temp and the baby wriggled around and the fake nails did some damage? And she's keeping quiet to save herself problems.

I know I'm grasping at straws here, but this case is so full of possibilities.

 

[Boatswain'sMate]

What does living in a Value 8 motel mean? people live in motels? excuse me for my ignorance, but i would have thought living in a motel would be more expensive than an apartment?

Cheap motels are often used as residences for people on the verge of homelessness. There's no security deposit, no credit check, rent can be paid weekly, utilities are included, the sheets and room may be cleaned periodically. In some towns there's a problem with transients living in motel rooms because the environment is dangerous for their children. In other towns, motel vouchers are routinely given out by aid workers to get families off the streets.

 

[Mom2threestooges]

My second son was born on a Sunday afternoon. On Monday afternoon, while still in the hospital I was changing his diaper and his testicular sac was bright red and swollen. I had been changing his diapers since the night before and this was new. It wound up being a hematoma from birth that just took a little while to swell all the way. He had a few "stork bites" as well that took their time showing. I seriously hope that if anyone hurt this baby girl, their genitals are sent to a bad place, but on the flip side, I would be sick at the thought of someone jumping the gun and blaming these young parents.

 

[Amraann]

My problem is that they noticed the skin tears near the rectum, suspected sexual assault, reported it to the police, and then let the baby go home with those parents??? Or am I missing something?

My problem is they claimed in what context??
A tear from a rectal temprature? A new nurse screwed up and someone else saw and made a complaint?

Because IMO a tear and sexual trauma to a ONE DAY old would be two completely different things.
The hospital in an attempt to cover their own collective a$$ reports
Or one makes a mistake ..injures the baby.. doesn't notate it in the records..
Next shift notices and reports it???

This seems so much more likely then the parents somehow getting away with this ...

But it is worth noting that since like much of you have mentioned the tone of a babies cry.... Its true ... they have differing tones BUT in a hospital???
I mean I bet you hear all kinds of tones depending on the baby and their medical needs.

 

[cheko1]

I think it would be rare in the absence of the need to look that anyone would notice..

I know the hospital is claiming this thourough exam ....
I can tell you first hand I don't recall the hospital ever changing a diaper once I was out of recovery.

Also and this is gross I MUST only conclude that this was not penitration.
Maybe digital? But there is no way that this was the type of attack we are thinking of or this child would be barely alive.
That is why I said it could be they had to report "some injury" and it could have likely been due to a medical procedure administered poorly.
Possibly a nurse not privvy to the mistake noticed the injury and reported it?
The only option at the point is the hospital to cover their butts?

I'm with you just can't see how it would of happened.
Also a new babies neck isn't strong enough to endure sex of all things.
Who knows if the hospitals REALLY checks backgrounds of employees??

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

But it is worth noting that since like much of you have mentioned the tone of a babies cry.... Its true ... they have differing tones BUT in a hospital???
I mean I bet you hear all kinds of tones depending on the baby and their medical needs.

This is exactly what I meant. Each baby has their own distinctive cries. One baby might scream like mad for no apparent reason while other babies only cry that way when they are hurt.

 

[fran]

I agree, I don't see how they could just arbitrarily accuse the parents. I mean, listen, the baby is now 6 weeks old. IF the parents were so crude as to violate the baby while in the hospital, don't you think she would have shown signs of continued violation at the time they came and took her away from her mom and dad six weeks later?

I don't believe them when they say they've ruled out the hospital staff. Something doesn't sound right here.

JMHO
fran

 

[bakerprune64]

I agree, I don't see how they could just arbitrarily accuse the parents. I mean, listen, the baby is now 6 weeks old. IF the parents were so crude as to violate the baby while in the hospital, don't you think she would have shown signs of continued violation at the time they came and took her away from her mom and dad six weeks later?

I don't believe them when they say they've ruled out the hospital staff. Something doesn't sound right here.

JMHO
fran

Snip...The Tennessee Department of Children's Services has placed the baby girl with a relative, Nanney said. The parents are not allowed to have contact with the girl, who is now about 6 weeks old....

I don't see where it says that it took them 6 weeks to detain the baby. I read this as the child has been placed with relatives and is now six weeks old.:twocents:

 

[Jules]

Snip...The Tennessee Department of Children's Services has placed the baby girl with a relative, Nanney said. The parents are not allowed to have contact with the girl, who is now about 6 weeks old....

I don't see where it says that it took them 6 weeks to detain the baby. I read this as the child has been placed with relatives and is now six weeks old.:twocents:

I believe the hospital notified authorities before the child left the hospital after birth. At least that's the way I understood it.

 

[fran]

Snip...The Tennessee Department of Children's Services has placed the baby girl with a relative, Nanney said. The parents are not allowed to have contact with the girl, who is now about 6 weeks old....

I don't see where it says that it took them 6 weeks to detain the baby. I read this as the child has been placed with relatives and is now six weeks old.:twocents:

Thanks bakerprune. Perhaps I misunderstood.

But I still don't trust what they're saying.

They take a poor, young, couple, unable to fight them. They throw all this crap out, how are these two young people going to fight them

Sorry, I guess it just hits me wrong.

My first hubby, rest his soul, was a product of the Tennessee (can't remember the rest without digging it up) adoption scandal of the 40's. That woman had twenty years to steal young infants from unsuspecting poor familes. Too bad she died before they could throw her but* in jail.

Anyway, I just don't think we're really seeing the whole picture here. It would be easy to side-rail these two young people. Obviously they don't have the money to fight the state or the hospital.

IMO, they should bring in outside sources to investigate. Someone raping a child barely 24 hours old goes beyond the pale of even being human. I'm just not sure I believe it happened the way they're making it look.

JMHO
fran

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Anyway, I just don't think we're really seeing the whole picture here. It would be easy to side-rail these two young people. Obviously they don't have the money to fight the state or the hospital.

IMO, they should bring in outside sources to investigate. Someone raping a child barely 24 hours old goes beyond the pale of even being human. I'm just not sure I believe it happened the way they're making it look.

Yeah, something just sounds off. Although it may be unlikely, I hope we'll hear from the parents at some point.