TN TN - Karen Swift, 44, Dyersburg, 30 Oct 2011 - #2

[ThoughtFox]

bbm

Meaning if someone drove into it they might slice a tire on old junk or metal dumped there??!?!?!?

:waitasec:

No . . . meaning they wouldn't drive into kudzu at all.

But I see what you're saying - that a tire could be slashed if someone drove into the kudzu. But, I don't think that's logical because even if anyone could drive through the cemetery to the kudzu (a big "if"), and IF the tire was slashed at the cemetery by something in the kudzu, then the person would have to leave Karen then drive back to the road on a bad tire, then back to the place where the car was found five miles from the cemetary - driving on a flat the whole way - and then turn the car around to face home, park it, and . . . then what?

If this was a stranger, then where do they go next?

Also, there's no way a car could drive through kudzu and not have some of it get stuck on the undercarriage of the car. And as far as we know, police never mentioned that or told people to check areas with kudzu. If they had, they would have searched the cemetery themselves!

 

[MagnoliaMom]

I just don't think KS drove herself anywhere after going home that morning. She could have been lured outside where the kids wouldn't see or hear anything with something as simple as "I can't get the dog to come inside. Can you go out and see if you can get him/her to come inside?" Knock her unconcious then drive her down the road and kill her. The 2x2 or a vehicle could have been used. At 40 mph it would only take about 15 mins to drive to the cemetery area and back. Throw in another 5-10 minutes for whatever. Drive the suv to it's spot, throw some clothes around, stab a tire or two and run home. 40-45 minutes tops?

I can't think of but 1 person that would have had access to KS, her keys (or an extra set of keys), her phone and her vehicle. JMO but it is the only logical thing I can come up with.

 

[ThoughtFox]

bbm

Maybe they found a bullet??? Blood spatter???

Youth Sportsman Hunting Weekend...

:waitasec:

But if she was shot where they found her, then what was she doing at the cemetery? And why was her car five miles from there closer to home? And who slashed her tires?

I'm not really following your logic.

Not one hunter that we know of from that weekend has talked about seeing anything that morning. And no one in the area has mentioned seeing a single hunter. And no one has mentioned hearing gunshots, although it's true that the cemetery is remote enough that no one might hear anything - which is possibly why the perpetrator chose that place.

But you don't have to be a hunter to shoot a gun.

I really hope they do have a rifle casing or something. And I hope they get a warrant for all of her husband's guns.

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

As to her body being hidden, if the perp is a stranger and his DNA is on file, there is every good reason to believe he would not want the body found right away.

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

While LE is being mysterious with their wording...this makes me wonder if her cause of death involved a large loss of blood and they are indeed finding that there is/was a large amount of blood in the location where she was found. (Yikes )

Or signs of a struggle where her body was found. Dead victims don't put up much of a fight. No drag marks from her body to that location may be another reason they think it happened there. Maybe there was blood evidence just outside the vined area where she was found by just a few feet or so.

 

[tarabull]

Thoughtfox, I misunderstood YOUR logic...hence the posed question.

I was of the understanding Karen was not that far off the road in the kudzu.

We have yet to hear the actual condition of the tire...(slashed, torn, split from being driven on while flat....)

I tend to think she did not go to the cemetery on her own accord and free will.

After leaving the car where it was found there has to be more than one person in the area that could have easily walked home (i refuse to forget that RSO .3 of a mile from the car)

Of course none of this is acceptable thinking if you can't believe she may have dressed and drove from the home again perhaps to buy medicine for her sick and suffering daughter.

I'm confident that all tips being reported to LE are NOT being reported by the media...[ie hunters out that morning, sightings, suspicious activity observed, etc...)

 

[otto]

Thoughtfox, I misunderstood YOUR logic...hence the posed question.

I was of the understanding Karen was not that far off the road in the kudzu.

We have yet to hear the actual condition of the tire...(slashed, torn, split from being driven on while flat....)

I tend to think she did not go to the cemetery on her own accord and free will.

After leaving the car where it was found there has to be more than one person in the area that could have easily walked home (i refuse to forget that RSO .3 of a mile from the car)

Of course none of this is acceptable thinking if you can't believe she may have dressed and drove from the home again perhaps to buy medicine for her sick and suffering daughter.

I'm confident that all tips being reported to LE are NOT being reported by the media...[ie hunters out that morning, sightings, suspicious activity observed, etc...)

Children that don't feel well at a halloween party are usually suffering from too much halloween candy. Furthermore, if a sick child was awake and in need of medicine, it might make sense for Karen to buy some, but since the children were asleep, and Karen normally woke the children up at 6 AM, I suspect that there was no real need for Karen to buy medicine in the middle of the night (between 2 and 5 AM).

 

[tarabull]

As per the video link otto recently posted, they are now saying she was killed somewhere else and placed where she was found...

:banghead:

Until details are confirmed directly by Box, I can see it's a good idea for me to be sitting on my fingers.

Swift Justice for Karen!!!!!!

Memo to self: always be careful what you think you know...

 

[otto]

The reports are definitely confusing. I sure hope the police have a better understanding of the situation than the reporters.

 

[ThoughtFox]

Thoughtfox, I misunderstood YOUR logic...hence the posed question.

I was of the understanding Karen was not that far off the road in the kudzu.

We have yet to hear the actual condition of the tire...(slashed, torn, split from being driven on while flat....)

I tend to think she did not go to the cemetery on her own accord and free will.

After leaving the car where it was found there has to be more than one person in the area that could have easily walked home (i refuse to forget that RSO .3 of a mile from the car)

Of course none of this is acceptable thinking if you can't believe she may have dressed and drove from the home again perhaps to buy medicine for her sick and suffering daughter.

I'm confident that all tips being reported to LE are NOT being reported by the media...[ie hunters out that morning, sightings, suspicious activity observed, etc...)

Where would she go to buy medicine at that time of night? Many locals have stated that there was nothing open at that time of night on a Sunday.

And why didn't she pick up the medicine on the way home with her daughter?

The child might not have been ill enough for medicine. She could have been feeling bored, lonely, needy, or just wanted her mother. I've got three kids and I've had children staying over at our house who wanted to call their Mom every ten minutes or wanted to go home the minute the lights were out. Happens all the time, but is not always a sign of major illness.

 

[officer'swife 2010]

First, let me say, Rest in Peace Karen!

I have been following this case from day 1 and I will say it made my stomach turn upside down when the police found her. I've always wanted to believe it wasnt the husband but maybe somebody she had met at the halloween party she attended just right before picking up the daughter. I think when she called her friend and sent texts she knew something wasn't right. Maybe David was calling several several times and they were arguing or maybe she had met somebody at the party and just wasn't having a good time, I guess now we'll never know I really really hope and pray this case doesn't go cold. I believe there is some sort of evidence in the car that they aren't releasing at this time, maybe a murder weapon who knows? Maybe the body was moved to the location if the LE searched there before.

I'm praying for her family and friends...hearing her mom on Nancy Grace made me cry she just seems like a wonderful person. Again, RIP Karen

 

[~n/t~]

Now, as the hunt for her killer continues, the Sheriff is clearing the air about Swift's estranged husband.

Less than three weeks before Karen Swift disappeared, she filed for divorce from her husband.

He was the last person to report seeing her alive.

But if you believe David Swift has been a thorn in investigators' sides, the sheriff says you're wrong.

Swift's body was found in a wooded area off Harness Road where a cemetery caretaker spotted Swift's body Saturday afternoon.

"I think it was placed there," Sheriff Box said of Swift's body.

But by whom?

The sheriff says investigators are still piecing together that puzzle.

They're waiting on DNA samples from evidence found in Swift's car, the family's home, and from her body.

So far the sheriff says Swift's husband, David, has cooperated in the case.

"That includes DNA samples, he's come in and was interviewed," said Box. "He allowed us to interview one of the children. So far he's submitted to every request for search of anything on that property."

No one answered the door at Swift's home today, although children's voices were heard inside.

A neighbor who didn't want to go on camera said David Swift is devastated by his wife's death.

http://www.wreg.com/news/wreg-dyer-sheriff-swift,0,5848889.story


hmmmmm

 

[Snoopster]

The video in the below link states that police believe that Karen was placed in the location where she was found after she was murdered, but they still don't know how she was murdered.

http://www.wreg.com/news/wreg-dyer-sheriff-swift,0,5848889.story

A few points from the video:

Investigators are waiting on results from tests done by the medical examiner to determine how Karen died and when she died. They are also waiting on results from DNA tests.

Tests on the tire are pending to determine whether it was punctured or intentionally slashed as part of an attack.

Investigators are not willing to name a suspect and are keeping their options open, worried that tunnel vision will keep them from solving the case.

 

[belimom]

The video in the below link states that police believe that Karen was placed in the location where she was found after she was murdered, but they still don't know how she was murdered.

http://www.wreg.com/news/wreg-dyer-sheriff-swift,0,5848889.story

I don't know why but this statement brought me to tears. If she wasn't killed in the home, not in her car, not where they found her... then what happened to her? :cry:

I still believe it's someone close to home in this case. If not *in* her home, someone close by - b/c why return her vehicle? Her husband is at the (very) top of my list, still, but there is the chance that someone else did this. I don't believe she ran off in the night to meet someone. And if she went to get medicine, I think she'd tell her husband she was leaving and would be right back.

If the husband didn't do it, then I wonder if she stepped outside to get something from her car, and either it was a crime of opportunity or someone had been watching her.

Tara, you're making me inch closer to the fence... even if just a few inches. :innocent:

 

[belimom]

A few points from the video:

Investigators are waiting on results from tests done by the medical examiner to determine how Karen died and when she died. They are also waiting on results from DNA tests.

Tests on the tire are pending to determine whether it was punctured or intentionally slashed as part of an attack.

Investigators are not willing to name a suspect and are keeping their options open, worried that tunnel vision will keep them from solving the case.

bbm

In reading between the lines here, it sounds like perhaps they do have someone in mind but just want to keep their options open at this point until they get more results back. MOO

Anyone else get that vibe?

 

[cluciano63]

That is such a weird statement, that investigators are worried about "tunnel vision." That is something suspects or POI's usually worry about...also in a post above, where it says how cooperative Dad has been and has allowed "one of the children" to speak with LE-aren't there four children?

 

[Mikebr]

i have not been following this case, so have been reading posts and clicking links to get a quick study. I was thinking about a mother of two with one sick daughter suddenly leaving the home in the middle of the night scenario......if she just saw her soon to be ex in the house and say got a phone call from a friend needing assistance, or had to leave the house for any reason, wouldn't she tap on his door and say...keep an eye one the kids i need to leave the house?....so scenario b
Scenario b she gets a call or a knock on the door soon after putting the girl to bed and goes to the door to meet the person...either is abducted or lured to drive off to talk...not sure why the abductor would need her car though..he would have to have gotten there with his own...so i am not believing this scenario...

Likely scenario...
Husband and her get in a late night fight and she is mortally wounded...he begins the staging with placing her car along the road...slicing the tire....walks back home..dumps the body using his own car..goes to bed...plays dumb the next morning...the last report link on this page from the tv station says they gathered evidence at the house...well if she walked out of that house of her own free will, what evidence would there be at the house? i just don't see how it could be anyone else but the husband...you only need to stage when you have a connection to the victim you need to obscure...in the days of cell phones...why would a woman need to walk away from a car with a flat tire? or a man for that matter?

 

[~n/t~]

That is such a weird statement, that investigators are worried about "tunnel vision." That is something suspects or POI's usually worry about...also in a post above, where it says how cooperative Dad has been and has allowed "one of the children" to speak with LE-aren't there four children?

I'm guessing he meant one of the 2 younger children....probably the one that was sick that night but that's just a guess. The 2 older sons don't live at home from what I recall so they weren't there the night of the crime.

 

[Mikebr]

and one other thought...perhaps it was premeditated but the fact the child got sick and had to come home threw a wrench in his plan...maybe the story was suppose to be, she never came home from the party...idk..but i still think the only logical explanation is the husband did it.

 

[cluciano63]

The only way I will believe Karen went out into the night again voluntarily is if someone comes forward who was either waiting for her/planning to meet her, or a late-night store clerk witnessed her buying something at a 24-hr shop. And nothing like this has happened, as far as we know. I do not believe she would go out looking for medicine without telling the other adult in the home (the husband) so that he would know the children were alone.