Found Safe TN - Mary Catherine Elizabeth Thomas, 15, Maury County, 13 March 2017 #13 *Arrest*

[KaaBoom]

The problem I have with the chop shop theory is that TC's type (50yo former respiratory therapist turned teacher) doesn't seem like it would be typical chop shop clientele. Would he even know how to wheel and deal with them? Seems like they would peg him for a cop or something. Just thinking out loud.

If my memory serves me right, he had about three years of experience in auto-parts and car sales, as well as being a service advisor. So I think the answer would probably be, yes.

 

[Kapua]

He could have purchased a car from a private owner and paid cash.

That still leaves me with "where is the Rogue?"

Not only can LE not find TC and ET, they can't find the Rogue, either.

So frustrating.

 

[shifferbrainz]

If my memory serves me right, he had about three years of experience in auto-parts and car sales, as well as being a service advisor. So I think the answer would probably be, yes.

Wow, good info there!

If he was a used car salesman, and a service advisor he is not above being dishonest, and has a network of places to go to.

 

[Deleted member 155000]

My assumption was that the Rogue wasn't paid off yet hence no title. It's a 2015 model so even if he bought it used, there would still be quite a bit to finance IMO.

I wondered about that too. One of my banks asked me for the title but I forgot to send it to them. I never missed a payment and they never asked me for it again.

I suppose he could've had a copy or duplicate of the title or a forged title though too. When you're that deep in an illegal enterprise like abducting a 15 year old, forgery and lying about liens is probably just part of the drill.


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[Deleted member 155000]

If my memory serves me right, he had about three years of experience in auto-parts and car sales, as well as being a service advisor. So I think the answer would probably be, yes.

Wow! I didn't remember that, but if that's true, it's a great catch. That might help him understand how to take advantage of a buyer even if he didn't have the exact legit paper work. Hmmm.


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[Deleted member 155000]

He could have purchased a car from a private owner and paid cash.

That still leaves me with "where is the Rogue?"

Not only can LE not find TC and ET, they can't find the Rogue, either.

So frustrating.

It's funny how we all think about it differently. To me, the whereabouts of the Rogue are the last thing I think about bc the possibilities for dumping a car could be endless.

It could be at a dump, in a remote seasonal parking lot, in longterm airport parking, in the woods, in a field, in an abandoned outbuilding on condemned property, in a body of water...

But I tend to think he might have figured out a way to get some money for it...just because he would need money so badly.


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[shifferbrainz]

He could have purchased a car from a private owner and paid cash.

That still leaves me with "where is the Rogue?"

Not only can LE not find TC and ET, they can't find the Rogue, either.

So frustrating.

I'd bet the Rogue is part of several other cars by now.

 

[cshea99]

Nissan Rogues are a dime a dozen around here (West TN). I didn't realize it until I was looking for one. They are everywhere! As for plates, my ex has been driving with drive out tags from October 2016. Yeah, plates wouldn't be so much of a problem in certain areas of TN.

 

[shifferbrainz]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/vin-cloning-thieves-masking-car-thefts/story?id=28401709

Step 1 Acquire "hot" Rogue

step 2 do this http://abcnews.go.com/US/vin-cloning-thieves-masking-car-thefts/story?id=28401709 using a totaled Rogue's serial number

Step 3 Profit Big! You'd also retain a clean car-fax report provided the crash of first Rogue was not reported. ( happens all the time)

Merely pointing out how TC could acquire another ride and some cash.

 

[Kapua]

It's funny how we all think about it differently. To me, the whereabouts of the Rogue are the last thing I think about bc the possibilities for dumping a car could be endless.

It could be at a dump, in a remote seasonal parking lot, in longterm airport parking, in the woods, in a field, in an abandoned outbuilding on condemned property, in a body of water...

But I tend to think he might have figured out a way to get some money for it...just because he would need money so badly.


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I think it's great that we all look at things so differently. Sometimes, it helps us to narrow down possibilities. Other times, it just leads us to "we can't rule out" scenarios.

In the case of the Rogue, we don't know if TC still has it or not. What that tells us is to look for the people and not the car, and certainly not the plate.

 

[KaaBoom]

Wow, good info there!

If he was a used car salesman, and a service advisor he is not above being dishonest, and has a network of places to go to.

Here was his exact job description.

Service Advisor - Sears Automotive Center, Columbia, TN

January 1991 - August 1992

Duties included retail automotive parts and service sales, effective routing service customers through shop, and ensuring quality work, as well as, customer satisfaction. (This was a part-time job while I was in college.)

Parts Manager - Bates Engine and Automotive Inc. Centerville, TN

November 1989 - December 1990

Duties included retail automotive parts sales, engine sales, overseeing sales and delivery staff, parts stock monitoring and recording, tracking sales, as well as, some collections work on past due accounts. I left this job to enter college to become a Respiratory Therapist.

 

[Deleted member 155000]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/vin-cloning-thieves-masking-car-thefts/story?id=28401709

Step 1 Acquire "hot" Rogue

step 2 do this http://abcnews.go.com/US/vin-cloning-thieves-masking-car-thefts/story?id=28401709 using a totaled Rogue's serial number

Step 3 Profit Big! You'd also retain a clean car-fax report provided the crash of first Rogue was not reported. ( happens all the time)

Merely pointing out how TC could acquire another ride and some cash.

Whoa. Okay this blows my mind a little. I would probably have commented that TC didn't likely do that...but now that a commenter reminded me he used to work in used auto sales, in addition to him teaching criminal forensics, I will keep cloning a VIN in mind as a remote possibility here.

Thanks for sharing!


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[shifferbrainz]

Whoa. Okay this blows my mind a little. I would probably have commented that TC didn't likely do that...but now that a commenter reminded me he used to work in used auto sales, in addition to him teaching criminal forensics, I will keep cloning a VIN in mind as a remote possibility here.

Thanks for sharing!


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I am presenting this as a way for TC to achieve both the dump of the car and gaining a different one, along with some cash , in a one stop deal. The profit allows motive for someone else to profit from this side deal.
I've seen several kids driving mom and dad's vehicle run it into the trees while drunk, grandpa comes along with his tractor and drags the crash home, has it fixed under the table for some cash and nobody is the wiser. This also happens more often than you'd care to think. Grandparents never want to see their grandkids in trouble.

I'm only going out on this tangent to show the market does support such activities.

 

[U2forever]

The fact that TC requires blood pressure medicine is an interesting twist. Someone on the last thread suggested that he might take herbal supplements or natural remedies if he can't get his blood pressure script. I grow my own herbs and make herbal medicines. Some are quite effective, but they are not the equivalent of prescription drugs. When it comes to conditions like high blood pressure, heart conditions, diabetes, and things of that nature, herbal medicines are not an effective substitute. You'll read blogs on the internet that will tell you otherwise, but they are dead wrong. I know this not just from reading actual scientific studies, but from first hand experimentation. So, if his plan is to try herbal supplements or other natural remedies, and he has the means to check his blood pressure regularly, he's going to find out very quickly how important that prescription medicine truly is. For what it's worth, my husband gets his BP meds in 90 day supplies, so it's possible TC could go a few months without having to figure out how to get over this hurdle.

All JMO

Mountain Kat, thanks for this info, it's really good to know.

 

[Irishboy]

It's funny how we all think about it differently. To me, the whereabouts of the Rogue are the last thing I think about bc the possibilities for dumping a car could be endless.

It could be at a dump, in a remote seasonal parking lot, in longterm airport parking, in the woods, in a field, in an abandoned outbuilding on condemned property, in a body of water...

But I tend to think he might have figured out a way to get some money for it...just because he would need money so badly.


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I don't think TC would be wasting time trying to sell a car while he was trying to get away as fast as he could. And by now, if he tried to sell even to a low-end used car place it would likely be reported (a 50 yo man with a young girl anxious to sell a car would stand out). IMO the Decatur diversion was to get another vehicle. either stashed or from someone helping. Remember the car tracking was disabled to make sure it would be difficult to track or find. If there was a car stashed then it would have to be something he would fee confident getting to.
airport parking - hew would have had to have a car waiting there to swap, with a lot of charges. if they dropped the car and walked out there would have been someone noticing. (BTW many years ago I forgot where I parked my car in long term and I called Security, they found my car in 30 seconds, they track everything for the money).
Field or woods? I think would have been found by now. Plus there would have to be two drivers when the Rouge was dropped, one in it and one driving the replacement. Same for dropping in a lake.
I like the idea that TC could use a public storage unit If he had the replacement in a unit around there, then the Rouge could be sitting in a unit and not found. If he paid cash in advance and used fake ID he already had then it may not be discovered until the lease expires and is auctioned.
This all assumes that the Rouge has not been located. It's possible it has and LE does not want that known. The OKC parking lot video is still "being processed" and maybe they don't want to let on they know the new vehicle.MMO

 

[Kapua]

I don't think TC would be wasting time trying to sell a car while he was trying to get away as fast as he could. And by now, if he tried to sell even to a low-end used car place it would likely be reported (a 50 yo man with a young girl anxious to sell a car would stand out). IMO the Decatur diversion was to get another vehicle. either stashed or from someone helping. Remember the car tracking was disabled to make sure it would be difficult to track or find. If there was a car stashed then it would have to be something he would fee confident getting to.
airport parking - hew would have had to have a car waiting there to swap, with a lot of charges. if they dropped the car and walked out there would have been someone noticing. (BTW many years ago I forgot where I parked my car in long term and I called Security, they found my car in 30 seconds, they track everything for the money).
Field or woods? I think would have been found by now. Plus there would have to be two drivers when the Rouge was dropped, one in it and one driving the replacement. Same for dropping in a lake.
I like the idea that TC could use a public storage unit If he had the replacement in a unit around there, then the Rouge could be sitting in a unit and not found. If he paid cash in advance and used fake ID he already had then it may not be discovered until the lease expires and is auctioned.
This all assumes that the Rouge has not been located. It's possible it has and LE does not want that known. The OKC parking lot video is still "being processed" and maybe they don't want to let on they know the new vehicle.MMO

Brilliant!

He could have stashed a car in a storage locker in Decatur, even weeks before they vanished. It is only about 90 minutes from Columbia, IIRC. The bus ride back would have taken longer, but hey, he wasn't working, he had lots of time on his hands.

 

[MsPooh]

An acquaintance of mine listed a truck on Craigslist, a Hispanic guy came and wanted to buy it with cash. He didn't care about the title, he said they buy vehicles here and drive them to Mexico and sell them for more than they paid for them here. Acquaintance didn't sell it to him. .but it is something to think about.

 

[stormymama]

It's not impossible he's chopped out the Rogue. But, then again, that experience was over 25 years ago, and IMO you don't pick up a lot of shady contacts working part-time at Sears.

I wish there was more to go on here. I think the Rogue is parked wherever they are.

 

[1&2&3]

I just looked up the Rogue's plate number (976-ZPT) in Tennessee public records. Not sure if we already established this fact but the plate expires 4/30/2017. Probably not relevant or going to make a difference one way or another but I wanted to know.

Bingo! This creates a major problem. Where and how can he register it in a different state? I bet he has searched this on the web!

One usually has to have it inspected and insured in the state where the license is being purchased. I don't know what is needed for the title if you have the car financed.

Then, there is the problem of your drivers license not matching your license plate if stopped for any reason. Yes, one can gamble in many ways in each of these scenarios.

IMO the easiest thing to do is for JC to not renew the license plate. Why should she? The expired tag MIGHT get him pulled in a city that isn't aware of the AA.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

It's not impossible he's chopped out the Rogue. But, then again, that experience was over 25 years ago, and IMO you don't pick up a lot of shady contacts working part-time at Sears.

I wish there was more to go on here. I think the Rogue is parked wherever they are.

BBM

I think so too. My gut feeling is he stole plates off a car in a parking lot, and is still driving the Rogue.